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egaRdeR

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42.5 inch vertical and 4.29 40 during his pro day.

There were a few comparisons of Wandale to Rondale (more than just their rhyming names). Not cutting on Wandale, but I don't see him putting up anywhere close to those types of number. Those are numbers that allow you to overcome your 5'7" stature in the draft.

What kind of numbers will Wandale put up?
 
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TheBeav815

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I think Wan'dale is a good player, but not as good as he was made out to be. It's one thing to be short, it's another to be short and not be very powerful or heavy either. He's a player who MUST have space to be effective, and his catch radius is small.

So all you gotta do is get him away from all the traffic and give him a perfect ball to be successful when the defense knows damn well the ball is coming to him. No problem!

I'll be surprised if his numbers at UK are eye-popping and I'll be really surprised if he becomes much of an NFL player. He can be a nice complement to other offensive weapons, but he's not a focal point.
 
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Rondale doesn't seem to be getting the mock draft love that I would have expected. Didn't he have an injury not too long ago? Maybe that's got the "experts" concerned.
 
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otismotis08 said:
Rondale doesn't seem to be getting the mock draft love that I would have expected. Didn't he have an injury not too long ago? Maybe that's got the "experts" concerned.
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His stock is falling. He played in only 7 games the last 2 years due to injuries. Someone will probably take a flyer on him in the 7th. Could work out, or he could just be one of the guys in the NFL.
 
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BoilerN

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I thought he looked a little heavy when he came back last year. Rooting for the kid though.
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I think he's almost gotten to big. He's been working out hard. I'll be curious to see what he does in the NFL. I think his success is team dependant, but with those test numbers, I'd say late first or second rounder.
 
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BoilerN said:
I think he's almost gotten to big. He's been working out hard. I'll be curious to see what he does in the NFL. I think his success is team dependant, but with those test numbers, I'd say late first or second rounder.
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Mid-2nd to early 3rd round. There are 15 receivers who arguably could be listed ahead of him. While Rondale was worried about other priorities (or injured again or whatever) this past season, a lot of guys had very productive years. Why pick Rondale early when there will be comparable available in the next round or next two rounds?
 
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If Wandale were playing for Frost at Oregon or UCF he would have put up more dynamic numbers with fewer catches and more yards and TDs. This offense just doesn't have the playmakers those teams had nor the QB talent those teams had.
 
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TheBeav815

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Tuco Salamanca said:
If Wandale were playing for Frost at Oregon or UCF he would have put up more dynamic numbers with fewer catches and more yards and TDs. This offense just doesn't have the playmakers those teams had nor the QB talent those teams had.
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Agree. He needs to be a complementary piece and NU didn't have the horses to keep the defense honest and away from being able to focus on him.

For the life of me I don't understand where the lateral running game was if we can't push the ball down the field to stretch a defense that way. You have all these short fast dudes around, none of them can run a sweep?
 
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BoilerN

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Dean Pope said:
Mid-2nd to early 3rd round. There are 15 receivers who arguably could be listed ahead of him. While Rondale was worried about other priorities (or injured again or whatever) this past season, a lot of guys had very productive years. Why pick Rondale early when there will be comparable available in the next round or next two rounds?
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Like you just said though. Arguable there are 15 better than him. Meaning, there probably isn't. All it takes is one team to fall in love with his numbers and production.
 
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BoilerN said:
Like you just said though. Arguable there are 15 better than him. Meaning, there probably isn't. All it takes is one team to fall in love with his numbers and production.
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That's true of anybody in the draft. He's a 3rd round draft pick unless somebody reaches for him based on Ohio State highlights from 2 1/2 years ago. Hasn't done jack since then.
 
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BoilerN

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Dean Pope said:
That's true of anybody in the draft. He's a 3rd round draft pick unless somebody reaches for him based on Ohio State highlights from 2 1/2 years ago. Hasn't done jack since then.
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There is more to rondale than 1 game. Here's one of the top WR's in production his freshman year. He lead the country in receiving his sophmore year with two QB's before his injury. Last year was just a weird year, but he wasn't bad.

Almost 2000 receiving yards and 14 TD's in 20 games. I'd be shocked if he makes it to the 3rd. No mock draft has him that far down.
 
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BoilerN said:
There is more to rondale than 1 game. Here's one of the top WR's in production his freshman year. He lead the country in receiving his sophmore year with two QB's before his injury. Last year was just a weird year, but he wasn't bad.

Almost 2000 receiving yards and 14 TD's in 20 games. I'd be shocked if he makes it to the 3rd. No mock draft has him that far down.
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We shall see. His test results will certainly help him. But I look at him as a slot receiver and only a slot receiver. Maybe a gadget player like Carolina used Curtis Samuel. But how many teams want to use a 2nd round pick on a gadget player? I doubt that Carolina takes him at 39. Other teams that like using guys in that role may already have someone. Or they will look at the pool of similar players left on the board and choose to draft a player from a different position knowing that they can still select from the leftover slot WRs in the next round. Kadarius Toney, Marquez Stephenson, Shi Smith, Dax Milne, Elijah Moore, Amon Rah St. Brown, Tutu Atwell, Felton from UCLA, Amari Rodgers. These are all good prospects- some of whom could go ahead of Rondell, others will be available a round or two after Rondell. And that's not even mentioning the big WR prospects. Another guy I heard about from North Texas, Jaelon Darden. He's the same size as Rondell, only a fraction slower and he should be available two rounds after Rondell is taken.

Great discussion anyway. I've been wrong before and I certainly could be wrong again. If the prop bet becomes available, I'll be Rondell Moore "over" 42 pick (or whatever) for plus money and see what happens.
 
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Dean Pope said:
We shall see. His test results will certainly help him. But I look at him as a slot receiver and only a slot receiver. Maybe a gadget player like Carolina used Curtis Samuel. But how many teams want to use a 2nd round pick on a gadget player? I doubt that Carolina takes him at 39. Other teams that like using guys in that role may already have someone. Or they will look at the pool of similar players left on the board and choose to draft a player from a different position knowing that they can still select from the leftover slot WRs in the next round. Kadarius Toney, Marquez Stephenson, Shi Smith, Dax Milne, Elijah Moore, Amon Rah St. Brown, Tutu Atwell, Felton from UCLA, Amari Rodgers. These are all good prospects- some of whom could go ahead of Rondell, others will be available a round or two after Rondell. And that's not even mentioning the big WR prospects. Another guy I heard about from North Texas, Jaelon Darden. He's the same size as Rondell, only a fraction slower and he should be available two rounds after Rondell is taken.

Great discussion anyway. I've been wrong before and I certainly could be wrong again. If the prop bet becomes available, I'll be Rondell Moore "over" 42 pick (or whatever) for plus money and see what happens.
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Bingo. He isn't a WR1 like DK Metcalf where you look at him and go, "Good luck, even if he's not open he's open."

With that kind of speed I would compare him to Tyreek Hill.
 
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egaRdeR said:
42.5 inch vertical and 4.29 40 during his pro day.

There were a few comparisons of Wandale to Rondale (more than just their rhyming names). Not cutting on Wandale, but I don't see him putting up anywhere close to those types of number. Those are numbers that allow you to overcome your 5'7" stature in the draft.

What kind of numbers will Wandale put up?
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Saw film of that vertical. Looked like a damn leopard.
 
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Great athleticism but a 6’3 receiver with a crappy vertical jump is much more valuable than a 5’7 guy that can jump out of the gym - even if the 5’7 guy at top height of jump is higher than the 6’3 guy. Timing has to be much much more precise for the 5’7 wr vs taller receivers to get to the same balls
 
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TheBeav815 said:
Bingo. He isn't a WR1 like DK Metcalf where you look at him and go, "Good luck, even if he's not open he's open."

With that kind of speed I would compare him to Tyreek Hill.
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I like the Steve Smith comparison more than Tyreek. Imo, rondales game isn't predicated on speed. I'd argue that's not even his greatest asset.

Either way, his success is going to be determined by what coach and system he goes to. Someone like KC, Indy, or NO makes a ton of sense.
 
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steinek11

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Dean Pope said:
That's true of anybody in the draft. He's a 3rd round draft pick unless somebody reaches for him based on Ohio State highlights from 2 1/2 years ago. Hasn't done jack since then.
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As an NFL GM, I'd look to a similar player with a cleaner injury history. Since he's not high or middle first round, he's not a can't miss player. Could be a serviceable player, but no one will get bashed for passing on him.
 
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drubendall said:
As an NFL GM, I'd look to a similar player with a cleaner injury history. Since he's not high or middle first round, he's not a can't miss player. Could be a serviceable player, but no one will get bashed for passing on him.
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Which of the 32 teams do you represent? I know what you meant, but the wording makes it read like you are an NFL GM......

similarly if I wrote

As an NFL owner, I'd look to a similar player I could get cheaper or as a undrafted FA.

People would assume I am trying to make myself appear to be an NFL owner.
 
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steinek11

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Tuco Salamanca said:
Which of the 32 teams do you represent? I know what you meant, but the wording makes it read like you are an NFL GM......

similarly if I wrote

As an NFL owner, I'd look to a similar player I could get cheaper or as a undrafted FA.

People would assume I am trying to make myself appear to be an NFL owner.
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Thanks for pointing that out. As you mentioned, you know what I meant. Weird.
 
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