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We were thinking of New Zealand or Canada.
The US was bought for many years ago. The US is the worst in the industrialized world in practically all categories. What you are feeling is nostalgia.
unless your deadend job sponsors your visa, if you're over 30 good luck getting a temp visa in New Zealand

great news - if you plan to invest more than $3M, that'll fast track you

oh, wait. that sounds like toxic capitalism. IS THERE NO ESCAPE?!
 
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the fact OP A.) started this tread, and, B.) is looking to Canada or New Zealand as places to immigrate to tells me one thing is certain:

you must really, really hate your dad.
 

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I started a thread before it spiked. I was telling any and all to hop onboard.

you must've been too busy doing 'research' to notice.

oh, and I also just donated half of that, plus 48% of my 2020 earnings, to the greatest charity of all - the IRS

so, it's more like I got ours. you're welcome.
sorry, I wasn't up to date with the stock market. 🄓
 

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Huh? Why? In this **** system? Dont you know where at tje bottom of just about everything? thought there werent any jobs available? Is she going to get a degree in slave labor?
It is her dream to be a nurse. The healthcare field is pretty ****** up
 

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unless your deadend job sponsors your visa, if you're over 30 good luck getting a temp visa in New Zealand

great news - if you plan to invest more than $3M, that'll fast track you

oh, wait. that sounds like toxic capitalism. IS THERE NO ESCAPE?!
My wife being a nurse will suffice.
Capitalism was a mistake.
 

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the fact OP A.) started this tread, and, B.) is looking to Canada or New Zealand as places to immigrate to tells me one thing is certain:

you must really, really hate your dad.
I'm sorry that you believed the ******** you were taught.
 

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definitely sad what it seems to have done to yours.
The American Dream is just a collection of anecdotes formed into a Creed to keep ones wishing for the promised land, at the expense of theirs and others' lives and sanity.

The critics of my criticism seem to fall into 2 realms of thought, both to confirm their own biases.

1. I must be complaining because I failed and that is of my own doing. Buck up
2. If I'm not in an economic state of destitution, why am I complaining? See, America works.

Both are ways to dismiss any rational discussion so they can hold firm to their own predetermined world view. It totally disregards any other anecdote that doesn't adhere to the American Dream mantra.
 
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My dad is 75.. made a great wage at a union pipefitting job, no college.. He is the most selfish human being I know. All is friends are the same way.. comparing themselves with cars, homes, whatever it is.

The boomers were born at the right time.

Gen X like myself got to see what the world was like before, but then didn't have the benefit of those high paying uneducated jobs, and then had to go to school to get anything decent.

Now, with blue collar work completely farmed out to illegals, a degree is a must to try to get any kind of good paying job, unless you are good with people or sales.

Those white collar jobs have been under attack for the past 15 years as well, and in many places, it's hard to find American programmers, doctors, dentists, and such. They still exist, but you have to know where to look.

The United States never cared about its' people, it is an economic machine only.. fed by human capital, set to pit people against one another, to compete to produce the latest and greatest next big thing. While that is not all bad, it def has negative consequences.

You can do everything right, and still end up getting the shaft in this country, and I'm still surprised more people aren't pissed about it.

If you are a white male, you are targeted like never before and blamed for every problem that exists in society, when the reality is, most citizens don't have a homeland to return to. Everyone else, is from somewhere else, has a home, a family (imagine that) and a culture. The rest of us born here.. well, you get eaten up and spit out.

That's the reality of this country. It's nothing more than an economic slavery machine with a heavy dose of brainwashing.. cause you know, my freedoms...
 

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My dad is 75.. made a great wage at a union pipefitting job, no college.. He is the most selfish human being I know. All is friends are the same way.. comparing themselves with cars, homes, whatever it is.

The boomers were born at the right time.

Gen X like myself got to see what the world was like before, but then didn't have the benefit of those high paying uneducated jobs, and then had to go to school to get anything decent.

Now, with blue collar work completely farmed out to illegals, a degree is a must to try to get any kind of good paying job, unless you are good with people or sales.

Those white collar jobs have been under attack for the past 15 years as well, and in many places, it's hard to find American programmers, doctors, dentists, and such. They still exist, but you have to know where to look.

The United States never cared about its' people, it is an economic machine only.. fed by human capital, set to pit people against one another, to compete to produce the latest and greatest next big thing. While that is not all bad, it def has negative consequences.

You can do everything right, and still end up getting the shaft in this country, and I'm still surprised more people aren't pissed about it.

If you are a white male, you are targeted like never before and blamed for every problem that exists in society, when the reality is, most citizens don't have a homeland to return to. Everyone else, is from somewhere else, has a home, a family (imagine that) and a culture. The rest of us born here.. well, you get eaten up and spit out.

That's the reality of this country. It's nothing more than an economic slavery machine with a heavy dose of brainwashing.. cause you know, my freedoms...
Not to mention all the atrocities that the government has committed against its own people (and others) and the corporations that they have enabled in doing so as well. There are very little redeeming qualities worth keeping.
 
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The American Dream is just a collection of anecdotes formed into a Creed to keep ones wishing for the promised land, at the expense of theirs and others' lives and sanity.

The critics of my criticism seem to fall into 2 realms of thought, both to confirm their own biases.

1. I must be complaining because I failed and that is of my own doing. Buck up
2. If I'm not in an economic state of destitution, why am I complaining? See, America works.

Both are ways to dismiss any rational discussion so they can hold firm to their own predetermined world view. It totally disregards any other anecdote that doesn't adhere to the American Dream mantra.
I'm not entirely sure you're fishing for grounded critiques, and what you're saying isn't really up for debate since it's mostly true.

I think most everyone would love to live in a place that works optimally for every single individual. that place, however, doesn't exist. there's always give/take.

I like the US, and I'm sure I'd like other places, too. I'm also sure there are many, many places I'm glad didn't pull my birthplace ping pong ball.
 

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Every generation has their ups and downs. Boomers and the gen x folks whine about China and Mexico taking their jobs when they were just too privileged and lazy to want to compete... not all that different than the perception of Millennial privilege..
 

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I'm not entirely sure you're fishing for grounded critiques, and what you're saying isn't really up for debate since it's mostly true.

I think most everyone would love to live in a place that works optimally for every single individual. that place, however, doesn't exist. there's always give/take.

I like the US, and I'm sure I'd like other places, too. I'm also sure there are many, many places I'm glad didn't pull my birthplace ping pong ball.
The problem is that many think that America is the greatest nation and doesn't need to change to be like other countries where their quality and duration of life is better. Better places do exist and there is a fundamental reason. End-stage capitalism is a cancer. It breeds a terrible mentality that permeates all walks of life. It is diseased and admitting we have a problem is the first step.

America and Americans throw stones but can't take it in return.
 

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Some merit, mostly luck and connections
Society wants to go away from capitalism and I support it

Yeah, "connections" is a uniquely American capitalist thing. Not like Canada, which is currently ruled by Pierre Trudeau's son.
 

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The problem is that many think that America is the greatest nation and doesn't need to change to be like other countries where their quality and duration of life is better. Better places do exist and there is a fundamental reason. End-stage capitalism is a cancer. It breeds a terrible mentality that permeates all walks of life. It is diseased and admitting we have a problem is the first step.

America and Americans throw stones but can't take it in return.

Yes. We should limit immigration like they do.
 
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The problem is that many think that America is the greatest nation and doesn't need to change to be like other countries where their quality and duration of life is better. Better places do exist and there is a fundamental reason. End-stage capitalism is a cancer. It breeds a terrible mentality that permeates all walks of life. It is diseased and admitting we have a problem is the first step.

America and Americans throw stones but can't take it in return.
'better' is subjective, of course, and often even more limiting in who's able to pursue happiness there

just being able to complain about things like this is a benefit only the most privileged of societies are granted

evolve or die, as in everything
 

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'better' is subjective, of course, and often even more limiting in who's able to pursue happiness there

just being able to complain about things like this is a benefit only the most privileged of societies are granted

evolve or die, as in everything
America is where happiness is on carrot on a string. Very few ever find it.
Freedom of speech barely exists anymore.
 

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'happiness' is also quite subjective
Yet Americans don't have it. There is a reason our physical health, mental health, family, societal structure is so terrible. We are worked like rats with no help from the government, corporations. Asking for help is seen as a sign of weakness in our sociopathic society.
 

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Yes. We should limit immigration like they do.

Yeah it's funny when Bernie claims that Denmark is his democratic socialist utopia. I wonder if he agrees with the Social Democrat President of Denmark, who says that immigration should be strictly limited to not threaten Danish culture, and who has called for Muslim schools to be closed. They've also banned the burqa in Denmark.

I also wonder if he support's Denmark's abortion laws, which ban abortions after 12 weeks unless the mother's life or health is in danger.

Denmark also doesn't have birthright citizenship, in fact no European country does...neither does New Zealand.

And I wonder how Bernie feels about Denmark's "Ghetto Plan"? This doesn't seem very "progressive", Bernie:

https://www.jacobinmag.com/2019/12/denmark-ghetto-plan-social-democrats-mette-frederiksen
 
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Yet Americans don't have it. There is a reason our physical health, mental health, family, societal structure is so terrible. We are worked like rats with no help from the government, corporations. Asking for help is seen as a sign of weakness in our sociopathic society.
I have spent a good deal of time in some foreign countries the last few years, and I can tell you that it's a noticeable change visiting somewhere else. All the crazy news stops and one's sense of normalcy returns. Most people don't know that the news 'inside' the country is different from that 'outside' it. It's difficult to explain, but I am positive that many people are indeed happier outside the country, and some have more freedoms than we do.

I don't share your views on everything though. I still prefer true open market capitalism, and what we have now is some sort of crony corporatism thing, that has corrupted the politicians into passing laws that only benefit the big corporations.

Attack on the family, religion, and liberalization of the children via newfound education programs and gender nuetral identity language are things people should be very alarmed about. I don't agree with socialism, much less communism, but those are the forces at work today against the American people.
 

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I have spent a good deal of time in some foreign countries the last few years, and I can tell you that it's a noticeable change visiting somewhere else. All the crazy news stops and one's sense of normalcy returns. Most people don't know that the news 'inside' the country is different from that 'outside' it. It's difficult to explain, but I am positive that many people are indeed happier outside the country, and some have more freedoms than we do.

I don't share your views on everything though. I still prefer true open market capitalism, and what we have now is some sort of crony corporatism thing, that has corrupted the politicians into passing laws that only benefit the big corporations.

Attack on the family, religion, and liberalization of the children via newfound education programs and gender nuetral identity language are things people should be very alarmed about. I don't agree with socialism, much less communism, but those are the forces at work today against the American people.
I believe in a mixed system.
Capitalism for TVs, goods, entertainment etc
Non-capitalism for important things like healthcare. I don't like this to be the case but unless there are some hardcore regulations, our system is doomed.

I don't like the evangelical war on drugs nor do I like the hippy identity politics crap.

 
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I believe in a mixed system.
Capitalism for TVs, goods, entertainment etc
Non-capitalism for important things like healthcare. I don't like this to be the case but unless there are some hardcore regulations, our system is doomed.

I don't like the evangelical war on drugs nor do I like the hippy identity politics crap.


we have that, just not to the extent you would like.

nobody is being turned away at the hospital due to economic circumstance, but the for-profit side prevents them from doing anything preventative/as follow up.

it's a bad system.
 

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The problem is that many think that America is the greatest nation and doesn't need to change to be like other countries where their quality and duration of life is better. Better places do exist and there is a fundamental reason. End-stage capitalism is a cancer. It breeds a terrible mentality that permeates all walks of life. It is diseased and admitting we have a problem is the first step.

America and Americans throw stones but can't take it in return.

How is it a cancer
 

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we have that, just not to the extent you would like.

nobody is being turned away at the hospital due to economic circumstance, but the for-profit side prevents them from doing anything preventative/as follow up.

it's a bad system.
Ridiculous healthcare costs are the result of for-profit enterprise. Practically every avenue of American life is seen through the lens of profit and expenses, just numbers.

Ambulance costs are insane. Emergency room costs are insane. Surgery is insane. Childbirth costs are insane. Drugs are insane. What is the point if you are bankrupted by using it? It makes them money. Hooray
 
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Ridiculous healthcare costs are the result of for-profit enterprise. Practically every avenue of American life is seen through the lens of profit and expenses, just numbers.

Ambulance costs are insane. Emergency room costs are insane. Surgery is insane. Childbirth costs are insane. Drugs are insane. What is the point if you are bankrupted by using it? It makes them money. Hooray
removal of payer from service provider is the #1 cause of this

burn every insurance company to the ground
 

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Ridiculous healthcare costs are the result of for-profit enterprise. Practically every avenue of American life is seen through the lens of profit and expenses, just numbers.

Ambulance costs are insane. Emergency room costs are insane. Surgery is insane. Childbirth costs are insane. Drugs are insane. What is the point if you are bankrupted by using it? It makes them money. Hooray
The cost of healthcare actually doubled under Obama. What you blame as "for profit" capitalism as being the cause, is actually caused by liberal policies. Illegal immigration that taxes the social and medical services of this country, so that those who can pay, are billed at extraordinary rates. This didn't use to be the way things were. I bet > 50% of emergency cases are never paid for, and who is at fault for this?

Illegal immigration and the lack of good jobs that provide benefits. Where did those jobs go? Bill Clinton started it with Nafta by shipping jobs away, and then add Obama's disastrous 8 years of outsourcing jobs to China. There are few good jobs left, and you liberals think you can now just tax it out of people?

This always happens with liberal thinking. They think the rich guy is at fault, but it's usually their own bad policies that cause job loss, lack of incentives and a spiraling down in conditions. Take a look at every big Blue state in the country. California and New York, fiscally broke. Begging for people to move back to their cities as they attempt to tax the remaining people to death.

And who picks up the tab? the regular middle class, in other states end up paying for it. (See the latest stimulus bill). That comes out of everyone's pocket that gets paid in US dollars.

When you have an actual healthy open market, it drives prices down. The competition drives prices down when there is a gas station at every corner.

When there is only 1 store (Amazon).. they can charge you whatever they want to. And that, is the idea of a socialist government. No competition, but equal outcomes.. it actually leads to higher prices and increased disparity between classes of people.
 

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I believe in a mixed system.
Capitalism for TVs, goods, entertainment etc
Non-capitalism for important things like healthcare. I don't like this to be the case but unless there are some hardcore regulations, our system is doomed.

I don't like the evangelical war on drugs nor do I like the hippy identity politics crap.



I must say as I read many of these posts I am amazed. You seem to want a socialized medical system. Then you have a problem with the war on drugs. Drugs have done as much to ruin individuals and families as anything in history. The problem with socialized medicine is we are now responsible for paying for everyone's bad behavior. People hold Japan's great social medical system.nit then fail to point out how much more healthy they are overall. The unhealthy have no skin in the game or any reason to take care of themselves, that is now your responsibility in a socialized program.

Capitalism has been far superior to any social countries. Again, I have asked for comparisons, I hear none. Is Cuba better? How about Venezuela? Soviet Union? How about those who ditched socialism and are going.bsck to capitalism? Think about how the U.S. comes into history late but now look where we are at in the halls of history.

Remember, the contrition allows us to "pursue happiness", it doesn't guarantee it.
 

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The cost of healthcare actually doubled under Obama. What you blame as "for profit" capitalism as being the cause, is actually caused by liberal policies. Illegal immigration that taxes the social and medical services of this country, so that those who can pay, are billed at extraordinary rates. This didn't use to be the way things were. I bet > 50% of emergency cases are never paid for, and who is at fault for this?

Illegal immigration and the lack of good jobs that provide benefits. Where did those jobs go? Bill Clinton started it with Nafta by shipping jobs away, and then add Obama's disastrous 8 years of outsourcing jobs to China. There are few good jobs left, and you liberals think you can now just tax it out of people?

This always happens with liberal thinking. They think the rich guy is at fault, but it's usually their own bad policies that cause job loss, lack of incentives and a spiraling down in conditions. Take a look at every big Blue state in the country. California and New York, fiscally broke. Begging for people to move back to their cities as they attempt to tax the remaining people to death.

And who picks up the tab? the regular middle class, in other states end up paying for it. (See the latest stimulus bill). That comes out of everyone's pocket that gets paid in US dollars.

When you have an actual healthy open market, it drives prices down. The competition drives prices down when there is a gas station at every corner.

When there is only 1 store (Amazon).. they can charge you whatever they want to. And that, is the idea of a socialist government. No competition, but equal outcomes.. it actually leads to higher prices and increased disparity between classes of people.
I agree with most of it. It seems the avenue there are going with healthcare is make everyone hate private insurance in an attempt to usher in single payer. Create the crisis you later want to solve.

America is the richest country and I think that is the problem. What system is going to work well in an environment like this? Corrupt corporations vs corrupt government or both. I see no real solution that everyone would be on board with.
 
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