Is it time for Moos to go?
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Well, obviously, Moos would be fired if a move was to be made on Frost. You'd agree with that. That's where we're all at. Where are you at?
6 or more games. Anything less is ******** considering we have supposedly out recruited everyone on our schedule for several years now, except for OU and OSU. The time for excuses is over. Win this season or get the hell out.
Oh, he’d no doubt get blamed for either coaches struggling. Sucks on Moos part because he made some good hires at the time (which again, no one for seen both coaches struggling like they have). But I agree, if both coaches do indeed fail, Moos will get fired. But does he deserved to be fired now? NO!!!
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1. Scott Frost, Nebraska
Previous Job: UCF Head Coach
Career Record: 19-7 (2016-17 UCF Head Coach)
In terms of fit and need as it relates to the 2017-18 college football coaching carousel, it doesn’t get much more perfect than Frost at Nebraska. The Nebraska native and former Cornhusker quarterback returns to his home state after a successful two-year stint at UCF. After a winless 2015 season, the Knights improved to 6-7 in Frost’s first year. And Frost capped his UCF tenure with a perfect 13-0 season, a Peach Bowl victory over Auburn and a No. 6 ranking in the final Associated Press poll. Prior to his two-year stint in Orlando, Frost worked as Oregon’s offensive coordinator from 2013-15, calling the plays for one of college football’s top offenses. And he also worked with the Ducks from 2009-12 as a wide receivers coach and had a stint at Northern Iowa (2007-08). Considering Frost’s ties to the program as a former player, he knows what it takes to succeed in Lincoln. Nebraska needed to make a big move in order to become a Big Ten power and close the gap on Ohio State, Penn State, Michigan, Michigan State and Wisconsin. Frost’s arrival will certainly do that in his return to Lincoln.
Final Grade: A+
Previous Job: UCF Head Coach
Career Record: 19-7 (2016-17 UCF Head Coach)
In terms of fit and need as it relates to the 2017-18 college football coaching carousel, it doesn’t get much more perfect than Frost at Nebraska. The Nebraska native and former Cornhusker quarterback returns to his home state after a successful two-year stint at UCF. After a winless 2015 season, the Knights improved to 6-7 in Frost’s first year. And Frost capped his UCF tenure with a perfect 13-0 season, a Peach Bowl victory over Auburn and a No. 6 ranking in the final Associated Press poll. Prior to his two-year stint in Orlando, Frost worked as Oregon’s offensive coordinator from 2013-15, calling the plays for one of college football’s top offenses. And he also worked with the Ducks from 2009-12 as a wide receivers coach and had a stint at Northern Iowa (2007-08). Considering Frost’s ties to the program as a former player, he knows what it takes to succeed in Lincoln. Nebraska needed to make a big move in order to become a Big Ten power and close the gap on Ohio State, Penn State, Michigan, Michigan State and Wisconsin. Frost’s arrival will certainly do that in his return to Lincoln.
Final Grade: A+
| Tim Miles | Fred Hoiberg | Hoiberg is going to be regarded as one of if not the best hires of the 2019 coaching cycle. A Midwest guy to his core, Hoiberg is a natural fit for the school and figures to have all the financial backing and supportive resources he'll need in order to get this long-dormant men's hoops program into the thick of the Big Ten pecking order |
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Don’t you have a klan party to get ready for? I think it’s your night to host. Try not to make the glory hole so big this time.. you know it makes you Herky’s feel inadequate.
It’s far from over my friend. Far from over.
Still, the point and questioned asked was “Should Bill Moos get fired” or “Is it time for Moos to go?” No it is not time for that to happen, yet. Like my points above, he made two big time hires (at the time that’s what they were, big time hires) and Bolt with the baseball team. Then he finally approves a much needed facilities upgrades and so on. He’s down everything he’s supposed to so far. Moos (or anyone else in the country for that matter) couldn’t for see Frost and Hoiberg struggling. Unfortunately it happens.
So, back to the question, should he be fired or let go? No...because it’s far from over. Hoiberg and the basketball team started to show some good progress towards the end of the season and now he has a 5
and a Top 100 Center coming in next season, plus any other additions he brings in. Fred Hoiberg and the basketball team could turn that corner and pretty solid next season. Considering that and Bolt doing well with our baseball team. That potentially only leaves Frost and we will see next season if that hire was indeed, a failure or not. So again, it’s not time yet for Moos to get fired. Take it or leave it....GBR
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I don't think Moos will pull the trigger after year 4 - even if it's a losing season.
If it's a losing season he'd be replaced, not Frost. Remember when they fired Pederson and put in Osborne. Same thing.
Now the real question. Assume Bolt continues his success with the baseball team and Hoiberg turns the corner with the basketball team and has them winning, competing and they make an NCAA Tourn appearance (or gets close). Does Moos get canned if Frost is the only Head Coach that struggles after next season (assuming he does indeed struggle again)? 
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Now the real question. Assume Bolt continues his success with the baseball team and Hoiberg turns the corner with the basketball team and has them winning, competing and they make an NCAA Tourn appearance (or gets close). Does Moos get canned if Frost is the only Head Coach that struggles after next season (assuming he does indeed struggle again)?
Yes.
He shouldn’t. And I don’t think he would.Now the real question. Assume Bolt continues his success with the baseball team and Hoiberg turns the corner with the basketball team and has them winning, competing and they make an NCAA Tourn appearance (or gets close). Does Moos get canned if Frost is the only Head Coach that struggles after next season (assuming he does indeed struggle again)?
There is a reason he was forced to resign at Oregon (Chip was right after Moos got canned). Had a couple of good seasons. Nothing great. He resigned (fired) because he wouldn't adapt and had an ego problem ( the same reason Frost is in the position that he is in). He takes off and Oregon explodes. He goes to Washington St after he farms for a couple of years. The football team is crap, but they make some progress his last 2 years. He leaves and comes here. Washington St becomes decent after he takes off. People are puzzled as to why he took off. Arrives here. He makes a speech, talks confident , and people cream their pants. Makes the hip hires because the fans want it, and it backfires.
The guy should have never been hired in the first place. His track record is below average. He talks the tough talk and people buy into it. He should have been fired in 5 minutes after the crap he just pulled. The problem here is that Frost is just as much behind it as Moos is, if not more. Next year? I expect Frost to end it with one winning season out of 6 as a head coach. Yeah. Let's keep em both around for another couple of years after 2021. Especially Frost because he is an alum with an ego problem, who is trying to recapture the 90's because his mentor is Tom. Good business sense. Worked well for the last 20 years. GBR!
The guy should have never been hired in the first place. His track record is below average. He talks the tough talk and people buy into it. He should have been fired in 5 minutes after the crap he just pulled. The problem here is that Frost is just as much behind it as Moos is, if not more. Next year? I expect Frost to end it with one winning season out of 6 as a head coach. Yeah. Let's keep em both around for another couple of years after 2021. Especially Frost because he is an alum with an ego problem, who is trying to recapture the 90's because his mentor is Tom. Good business sense. Worked well for the last 20 years. GBR!
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6 wins and SF should be fired. The fact we're debating whether we should have Oklahoma on the schedule or not to get to 6 wins tells you all you need to know about how big of a failure his tenure has been.
This whole thing has been a mess. It wasn’t about playing an easier game and not playing OU. Moos was looking into another home game and I can 100% understand that. We have 3 away games and 1 home game in that entire September month (our first 4 games). There isn’t another Power 5 team in the country that has 3 away games and 1 home game. Only the Huskers. So I get it, I get why he looked into. It doesn’t matter anyways, it didn’t work and the OU game is still on.
you’re late to the party and apparently didn’t read anything else, did you? JIB was poking fun about Frost and Hoiberg being homer run hires when Moos hired them as our head coaches. I was simply reminding him why Frost and Hoiberg were both considered Home run hires at the time. I didn’t say a word about being successful now or anything like that. Try and read everything before responding because you took it out of context. And no offense, Frost isn’t on the hot seat. Even Mike Farrell admitted to that.
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Man, you apparently don’t know crap about Bill Moos and what he’s done. But hey, keep grinding that ax...SMH. I’ll do you a favor and fill you in a bit.
“Moos came to Lincoln after spending seven-plus years at Washington State (2010-17). He previously served 12 highly successful seasons as the athletic director at Oregon (1995-2007). During his time at his alma mater, Moos wasted little time in making his impact felt in Cougar Athletics, spearheading a department-wide rebranding effort with Nike while securing a 10-year, $35 million marketing rights agreement with IMG College.In addition, the 2004 WSU Alumni Achievement Award winner gained Regents approval for a $130 million addition and remodel of Martin Stadium, featuring a remodeled press box with luxury seating, including suites, loge boxes and club room.
Also included in the project was a state-of-the-art video board and an 80,000-square-foot football operations building that served as the stadium’s showpiece and opened in May 2014.As the dean of Pac-12 athletic directors, Moos was at the forefront of the conference’s procurement of a 12-year, $3 billion television contract with FOX and ESPN, a landmark agreement in college athletics. Under Moos’ direction, the Cougar Athletic Fund’s Annual Giving program saw an 81 percent increase in gifts while CAF donor members rose from nearly 4,000 to more than 7,500.
Additional facility enhancements under Moos included a center-hung video board in Beasley Coliseum that was installed prior to the 2011-12 season, giving Cougar basketball one of the premier fan experiences in the conference. An indoor golf hitting facility was also completed in early 2013, and Lower Soccer Field underwent a major renovation making the venue TV-ready while also providing one of the best playing surfaces on the West Coast, along with the addition of lights and a new scoreboard.
Other enhancements were made to the Moobery track facility, Bailey-Brayton Field, the basketball practice gym, Gibb Pool and the Simmelink Indoor tennis courts. In Moos’ seven years at WSU, Cougar student-athletes and coaches accounted for 805 academic all-conference selections, 130 all-conference accolades, 45 All-America honors and three Pac-12 Coach-of-the-Year honors.
Moos served as Oregon's director of athletics from July of 1995 to 2007. While at Oregon he oversaw a 17-sport athletic department that grew to national prominence during his tenure.Oregon’s annual athletic department budget grew from $18.5 million in his first year to more than $40 million by 2007, becoming 100 percent self-sufficient during that time. Under his direction the Duck Athletic Fund donor base increased from 4,930 to 12,290, resulting in an annual gifts increase from $4.1 million to $15.3 million.
Moos initiated more than $160 million in facility improvements while at Oregon. Included in that was the $90 million Autzen Stadium renovation in 2002, which added 12,000 new seats, 32 new suites, a new Club at Autzen and a new press box to the stadium. In his 12 years, the Ducks ranked first in Pac-10 football attendance 11 times, reaching 100 percent capacity in each of those seasons.
During Moos’ tenure, Oregon athletics captured 13 Pac-10 championships across six different sports. He increased opportunities for women by adding two intercollegiate programs, soccer and lacrosse, and negotiated an all-inclusive shoe and apparel contract with Nike, one of only 14 in the country at the time. From an academic standpoint during Moos’ tenure, Oregon student-athletes collected 722 academic all-conference selections, 34 Academic All-America selections, nine NCAA Postgraduate Scholarship recipients and one NCAA Top Ten Award.
During his first stint as a collegiate athletic director at Montana (1990-95), Moos created an academic support program and hired its first athletic academic coordinator, developed a facility enhancement plan that created more than $4 million in improvements, and lifted the school’s fund-raising efforts to show a 300 percent increase in private and corporate gifts. Academically, Montana student-athletes were equally successful as the athletic department achieved a graduation rate 20 percent higher than the general university enrollment. Under Moos’ watch Montana garnered 269 academic all-conference selections, five Academic All-Americans and two NCAA Postgraduate Scholarship recipients.”
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agreed, he’s definitely struggled his first 3 seasons here. No doubt about it and anyone with eyes could and can see that. But outside that, I don’t know what to tell you. The man isn’t on the Hot Seat just yet. Here’s what Mike Farrell had to say about it in his Fact or Fiction article...
1. Scott Frost is on the hot seat this season.
Scott Frost (AP Images)
“Farrell’s take: FICTION. I took this question to the Red Sea Scrolls on HuskerOnline.com and the fans seem to agree with me — Frost is not on the hot seat in 2021, but if he has another bad year he will be in 2022. Frost is 12-20 in three years and 9-17 in conference, which doesn’t compare well to Mike Riley’s 19-19 (12-14) only three years at Nebraska but he will get a bit longer because of his status as a former player and legend. This season a bowl game is expected, but if he doesn’t get there he won’t be gone.”
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Oregon State wins the Pac-12 tournament
William H Moos is now the only power 5 athletic director whose football and men’s basketball programs will have a combined ZERO bowl games and NCAA basketball tourney births over the last 4 years.
William H Moos is now the only power 5 athletic director whose football and men’s basketball programs will have a combined ZERO bowl games and NCAA basketball tourney births over the last 4 years.
So you want to keep Moos, then it means you want to keep Frost, then it means you want to keep losing and embarrassing the school etc.
You should look in the mirror some day.
I’ll reverse it for..
So you want Eichorst back ? then if you do can he ask Alvarez again who to hire for a head coach, then he’ll be told another nice guy who like’s to play powder puff football again ..
Hip Hip Hurray !
I’ll stick with Moos for the time being is better than the last alternative...
I don't think it's time for him to go. But that's what can happen when you hire outsiders. If they fail to truly get to know the culture and fan base, mistakes are made. The odd thing is that this is really a rookie mistake and Moos is no rookie.
As mad as Husker fans are now, can you image the fan reaction if they actually announced that they were replacing Oklahoma with a home game against Akron?
What a nice way to kick off their fundraising season. Moos and Frost are not exactly inspiring confidence right now.
just chiming in -
from now on, before a guy gets on the job they are just hires.
not a+ or f-, just hires.
reminded again that theres a reason why they say, ‘hindsight is 20/20.’
from now on, before a guy gets on the job they are just hires.
not a+ or f-, just hires.
reminded again that theres a reason why they say, ‘hindsight is 20/20.’
you're not making any sense.. you don't go backwards in time to get a new athletic director..
It sure sounded like you’d rather have Eichorst over Moos by your statement “ worset ever AD”
So you want him thrown under the bus for hiring two coaches a majority of the fans were wanting?
If you want him thrown under the bus for some weird PR moves( like the big 10 handling or Oklahoma series) that’s acceptable, but had he went rogue and hired outside of Hoiberg and Frost he’d have been eaten alive right away.
Also, Hoiberg hasn’t even had more than 2 players return a year, with his best recruiting class on the way. He’ll be okay.
I sort of hear you on the hoops team but also sort of disagree. The B1G is so deep and is built on a lot of “veteran” teams and consistent coaching staffs. Look at Duke and Kentucky this year. Only difference is they both have 5 five stars starting on both teams and neither is making the dance this year. Actually it looks like KY will but they’re nowhere near a normal KY team. 1 5 star guard and a center wont immediately bump us to the upper half of the league imo. We need a 2-3 years of good recruiting and teams playing together for multiple years to be good in this league. I hope you’re right but I don’t see it happening as quickly as you make it sound. Also, Hoiberg loves the Juco/transfer market which can work if you hit on the right guys but if you don’t, you can get buried real fast.It’s far from over my friend. Far from over.
Still, the point and questioned asked was “Should Bill Moos get fired” or “Is it time for Moos to go?” No it is not time for that to happen, yet. Like my points above, he made two big time hires (at the time that’s what they were, big time hires) and Bolt with the baseball team. Then he finally approves a much needed facilities upgrades and so on. He’s down everything he’s supposed to so far. Moos (or anyone else in the country for that matter) couldn’t for see Frost and Hoiberg struggling. Unfortunately it happens.
So, back to the question, should he be fired or let go? No...because it’s far from over. Hoiberg and the basketball team started to show some good progress towards the end of the season and now he has a 5
All Husker Fans aren't mad. Maybe disappointed up to this point cause many thought it would go sky high right away in winning.
Going to take years!
I was just going by the hot seat rankings on NBC sports, coacheshotseat.com, Bleacher Report, and CBS.com. Doesn't mean he's going to get canned. However, the local media and fan perception is a little bit different than the national one. I think he will be on the "warm seat" entering his fourth year, and year 5 will be make or break for him,
Dead on. People need to remember, that if NU would NOT have hired Frost four years ago, he would have been run out of Lincoln already.
Neb plays 6 of their final 8 games at home
there isn’t another power 5 program that has 6 of 8 games at home to finish the season. Only the huskers