it happens all the time in other states and schools recover from it by replacing those recruits with others. its not great but its not a program breaker
Woods and Jackson
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exactly. NEB is not hurting in recruiting. They are batting above what they should. i think Frost has done unbelievably well in recruiting all things considered. You would have a hard time finding another program in america with the record NEB has had with Frost with better recruiting classes.
there probably is no program in america with a losing record and recruiting as well as NEB
what you left out is those stats are very similar to the majority of programs in america. So in reality you just need to accept the fact that a lot of kids transfer. MOST of them are not big contributors. Some are. But neb is not an outlier. there is nothing wrong. One could argue Frost is actually kicking *** in recruiting compared to other programs with similar records. He probably is the best recruiter of any losing program in the country
Top 20 then the massive exit of highly rated prospects commences and its barely Top 50 within a year or two. Some leave without ever playing a down. The Nebraska portal exit is not an door, its a wind tunnel,
Our state's citizens are more mobile that ever. If a couple of kids who didn't grow up in Nebraska but attended high school here go elsewhere, I'm not going to get my boxers in a wad. We'll go get kids from other states if we need them. That's life.
Frost should be fired, when we can't even recruit Nebraska it's all over. Definite house cleaning upon 6-6 or worse.
More excuses for this staff to not win at Nebraska. Lower them standards even more
Frost won't be fired at 6-6 in my opinion. Moos would describe that as an improvement and a sign that the program is moving in the right direction. I think it would buy Frost one more year, but 6-6 or worse in 2022 would probably be the end of the road for him.
Harrison Phillips takes academics very seriously. The opportunity to get Stanford to pick up the tab on your edu while playing high level football is too much to pass up.
I have no desire to defend Bo on this one, but there are some other facts involved with Barret.
1. Barrett signed with UNO out of high school. UNO and Wayne State were the only NCAA Schools that offered him a scholarship.
- No D1, even FCS schools were recruiting him.
2. When UNO dropped football, Colorado State was the only D1 school willing to let him walk on with a chance to earn a scholarship.
- Two years later, no D1 schools were willing to sign the kid.
3. He has a great career at Colorado State and goes on scholarship after a semester.
But even after being named the MWC player of the year, he went undrafted and had to sign as a UDFA
What Shaq Barrett has done in his career is nothing short of miraculous.
Bo slow playing Harrison Phillips was one of the dumbest things he ever did at Nebraska. I would add no offer for Drew Ott to that mix as well.
Very True..But Pelini did’t even consider him and along with Jason Stick who National FCS Champions..
As I recall, and I could be wrong, Barrett's issue wasn't a lack of physical talent coming out of high school. My feeble old memory seems to recall that the personal problems he had were why nobody wanted to touch him. Good for him for succeeding. Let's hope it continues after football.
Helms and Hausmann are the only ones on this list seriously considering Nebraska. I think it will be hard to beat OU for Helms, and Hausmann seems to get more offers every day.
Yes, the transfer portal effects all schools but I doubt that any other B1G school can match Nebraska in the loss of highly rated players - the same players that provided the basis for the Top20 class ranking in the first place......maybe Michigan, certainly no other B10W school.
Five (5) 4-star prospects that were on Nebraska's 2020 roster have transferred out. Top20 doesn't mean much unless the coaches can limit attrition and then develop the players that stay. So far, Frost does not receive a good grade on either.
So we can agree then that with the advent of the transfer portal, a class recruiting ranking is illusory and that a Top20 ranking for most schools (including Nebraska) is nothing to brag about unless the higher ranked players are mostly retained and the more talented prospects in every recruiting class further develop their talent, right?
so recruiting rankings matter? But they don’t matter because other teams lose a lot of 4 stars too. Here is what matters. We lost to Minnesota and they had 30 plus players out.
This isn’t a recruiting issue. It’s a coaching issue and you know it
IMHO the biggest issues with losing top ranked recruits out of Nebraska is that 1) there are fewer of them than most other states with P5 programs. 2) other top 20ish programs may lose some instate kids too, but they replace them on the roster with other top players.
Example - Logan Smothers 4th best DT QB in the class and 6th best player in Alabama. Alabama picked up the top DT QB in the country. In the past, we have not always replaced the instate player with a better out of state player.
Example - Logan Smothers 4th best DT QB in the class and 6th best player in Alabama. Alabama picked up the top DT QB in the country. In the past, we have not always replaced the instate player with a better out of state player.
the prediction is for NO BIG 10 or Big 12 teams in their top 5. Sounds like they want out of the Midwest all together, not just Nebraska. I know, I know, it doesnt fit some people’s agendas but it is what it is.
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But wouldn’t that narrative change if there was a powerhouse program with powerhouse coaches right in your backyard? It’s one thing if it’s one guy leaving but it’s multiple now. It’s almost like the Omaha area kids are being steered away for some reason.
Iowa is only a few miles away. Hell, Wisconsin, OSU or PSU isn’t to far away either. None of these guys will likely make their top 5. Let’s call it for what it is, these guys want out of the BIG 10 area and potentially the Big 12 area (that’s one thing I forgot, no BIG 10 or Big 12 teams). But we will see soon enough when their lists come out. Let’s not forget, Jackson’s parents played for Illinois and he has no ties to Nebraska what so ever other then living here now.
Again, that’s one player. We have also had other players whose dad played at Nebraska who not only decided Iowa but kind of bad mouthed Nebraska.
Well who is surprised? Horrible losing records for a few years in a row now have devastating consequences. Kids want to win.
you’re really going back to Keagen Johnson when we are talking about Woods and Jackson? Which is it, 2021 class or 2022 class?
Hey, I’m with you, the Huskers need to win and win NOW. That would help things a lot. But considering both Woods and Jackson won’t have any BIG 10 or Big 12 teams in their Top 5 is very telling (or at least that’s what everyone is predicting anyways). They simply want out or why not go OSU, OU, PSU, Wisconsin or even ISU, Texas or Iowa?
I’m really hoping, if the Huskers can get things going and have a good to solid season, maybe we can gain some ground with Woods. But the Jackson train will probably never happen. Fingers crossed we have a better season next year.
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Majority of the 2 deep played for Minnesota that day, most of the 30 wouldn’t have made the trip..Gophers were mostly hurting at
TE that day..
He's landed 13 of the 16 in state kids he has offered so far.
EDIT: Looks more like 10 of 13, after looking it up myself.
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I am going to go research this. But I think this discussion has levels. Keeping a 3 star kid with few P5 offers is different than keeping high 4 or 5 star kids with everyone offering.
I saw that stat from some sports writer on twitter a while back. As I look it up, it looks more like 10 out of 13.
We have kept most of the highest rated recruits in the state. Avante was obviously pretty highly rated.
21- 3 out of 5. Missed Avante and Johnson
20- 2 out of 3. Missed Watts
19- 5 out of 5
3 out of the 5 4-stars.
Heinrich N
Betts N
Teddy P N
Watts- ND
Johnson- Iowa
Dickerson- Oregon
Johnson was obviously the head scratcher out of the group.
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you can do all the research you wish, but you are wasting your time .... the willingness to bleed and desire to win of these in-state kids can't possibly be measured in stars
#1 and #6 this year. And #1 in the highest rated recruit from Iowa in Rivals history.