Diesel Fuel

[Preacher Franklin]

Will Diesel fuel have any impact on availability of our goods and services during the Holiday season and perhaps beyond?

 

[karlchilders.sixpack]

Hold on to your ***.
Prices will clearly rise, due to this.
Regardless of inflation.

 

[DesotoCountyDawg]

Will Diesel fuel have any impact on availability of our goods and services during the Holiday season and perhaps beyond?

I think so. Already having trouble getting diesel ordered and it’s only going to get worse.

 

[WilCoDawg]

 

[Puppers]

Paid $4.57 for off road diesel today. It's steady creeping up.

 

[Preacher Franklin]

The supply chain is going to slow down even further. The economy will worsen.

 

[Rupert Jenkins]

Well, ya know that's what the trucks run on. So I would imagine so. No shipping on the river, diesel running low, possible railway strike. Might be a long winter.

 

[Leeshouldveflanked]

 

[DesotoCountyDawg]

Well, ya know that's what the trucks run on. So I would imagine so. No shipping on the river, diesel running low, possible railway strike. Might be a long winter.

I tell people all the time that diesel is the lifeblood of our country. Everything you buy is brought to you by something using diesel.

 

[Hugh's Burner Phone]

So does anybody here think we actually run out? I would think if that were the case prices would have tripled and I haven't seen that. At least not here in Starkville. Isn't that 25 day reserve how long we would still have diesel if new production completely stopped? If so, then not really in imminent danger of running out. Or am I completely missing the forest for the trees? Mildly concerned since my truck is a diesel. Don't care to have to walk 24 miles one way to work.

 

[ckDOG]

So does anybody here think we actually run out? I would think if that were the case prices would have tripled and I haven't seen that. At least not here in Starkville. Isn't that 25 day reserve how long we would still have diesel if new production completely stopped? If so, then not really in imminent danger of running out. Or am I completely missing the forest for the trees? Mildly concerned since my truck is a diesel. Don't care to have to walk 24 miles one way to work.

Correct. 25 days if production stopped. Inventory is lower and folks are simply extra sensitive to prices / supply chain shittiness due to recent history. Why wouldnt they?Expect prices to rise but not a catastrophic scenario of no diesel and no diesel based logistics. If that happens, something unexpected happen like meteor, WW3, sabotage, etc.

 

[Pookieray]

I'm a truck driver (owner operator) and I move rail boxes for a living throughout the memphis area. I can tell you that the rail yards are at least 50% less capacity over the last several months than at this time last year. I'm lucky to find work 3 days a week now.

 

[Willow Grove Dawg]

So does anybody here think we actually run out? I would think if that were the case prices would have tripled and I haven't seen that. At least not here in Starkville. Isn't that 25 day reserve how long we would still have diesel if new production completely stopped? If so, then not really in imminent danger of running out. Or am I completely missing the forest for the trees? Mildly concerned since my truck is a diesel. Don't care to have to walk 24 miles one way

My employer purchases +/- 2.5 million gallons of diesel per month. Our suppliers are indicating to us that the risk of running out of fuel is very small unless there is a catastrophic event within the next 90 days that negatively impacts production or refining capacity like a Hurricane. We do expect diesel prices to spike dramatically though.

 

[greenbean.sixpack]

I'm a truck driver (owner operator) and I move rail boxes for a living throughout the memphis area. I can tell you that the rail yards are at least 50% less capacity over the last several months than at this time last year. I'm lucky to find work 3 days a week now.

Thank you for your service. There is absolutely no more essential worker than a truck driver. I did 32 years in the military, I get thanked for my service all the time, a truck driver is more important than any solider, medical, first responder or LE.

 

[Dawgbite]

I personally don’t think that we will run out but it doesn’t take much of a hiccup in the supply chain to throw everything into chaos. There may be a 25 day supply of diesel but it’s not at your local pump. A one day run on gas and diesel like we saw with the last Florida hurricane is just the first domino of many to fall. I’ll be honest, the fragility of our infrastructure and economy as a whole scares me.

 

[Brew_Dawg]

Prices this winter gonna be like:

 

[Preacher Franklin]

Prices this winter gonna be like:

The leadership at 1600 is on top of it.

 

[johnson86-1]

I tell people all the time that diesel is the lifeblood of our country. Everything you buy is brought to you by something using diesel.

That's just because you don't care about the environment. If we all wished a little harder, we could end fossil fuels.

 

[GloryDawg]

I personally don’t think that we will run out but it doesn’t take much of a hiccup in the supply chain to throw everything into chaos. There may be a 25 day supply of diesel but it’s not at your local pump. A one day run on gas and diesel like we saw with the last Florida hurricane is just the first domino of many to fall. I’ll be honest, the fragility of our infrastructure and economy as a whole scares me.

My understanding is the problems is in refineries. The big one in Philidelphia will not reopen. Needs to much work and the fire made it worse. The smaller refineries that shut down during the Pandemic will not reopen because of fees and regulations that were put into effect 2021 makes it too costly. There are still several down due to storms in the south. What refineries that are open are at 113% compacity. I see no end in the near future. We are screwed.

 

[johnson86-1]

So does anybody here think we actually run out? I would think if that were the case prices would have tripled and I haven't seen that. At least not here in Starkville. Isn't that 25 day reserve how long we would still have diesel if new production completely stopped? If so, then not really in imminent danger of running out. Or am I completely missing the forest for the trees? Mildly concerned since my truck is a diesel. Don't care to have to walk 24 miles one way to work.

I was told that the risk is somewhat regional. Still shouldn't "run out", but prices could spike significantly more in the northeast than elsewhere. Don't know enough to judge whether that assessment is correct or plausible.

 

[johnson86-1]

My understanding is the problems is in refineries. The big one in Philidelphia will not reopen. Needs to much work and the fire made it worse. The smaller refineries that shut down during the Pandemic will not reopen because of fees and regulations that were put into effect 2021 makes it too costly. There are still several down due to storms in the south. What refineries that are open are at 113% compacity. The war on fossil fuel is 1/2 the issue for everything right now. I see no end in the near future. We are screwed.

It's hard because you really need a relatively long timeline for a lot of these refinery investments and you are only guaranteed at best 4 years of non-hostility from the federal government.

 

[The Peeper]

That's just because you don't care about the environment. If we all wished a little harder, we could end fossil fuels.

Yeah Desota County Dawg, you need to care about the environment and get you some electric combines and tractors, you know, those with those batteries that work farmers hours (before daylight till after dark) to run those big machines**. And ship all your stuff cross country in electric 18 wheelers that will run non stop for team drivers that hardly ever shut them down. Your carbon footprint must be Yuge. johnson86-1 and the vegetarians and vegans are gonna boycottt you like I did Outback Steak House when they snubbed us in that bowl game in what, the 90's?

 

[The Cooterpoot]

A message from your government.

 

[Cantdoitsal]

That's just because you don't care about the environment. If we all wished a little harder, we could end fossil fuels.

is this a joke?... Okay. I'm getting it. good job trolling the envirowackos

 

[GloryDawg]

It's hard because you really need a relatively long timeline for a lot of these refinery investments and you are only guaranteed at best 4 years of non-hostility from the federal government.

There is a huge political shift going on right now. Seems Americans like cheap food and cheap gas more than windmills and solar panels.

 

[johnson86-1]

Yeah Desota County Dawg, you need to care about the environment and get you some electric combines and tractors, you know, those with those batteries that work farmers hours (before daylight till after dark) to run those big machines**. And ship all your stuff cross country in electric 18 wheelers that will run non stop for team drivers that hardly ever shut them down. Your carbon footprint must be Yuge. johnson86-1 and the vegetarians and vegans are gonna boycottt you like I did Outback Steak House when they snubbed us in that bowl game in what, the 90's?

You should be boycotting Outback Steak House because of the huge carbon footprint beef has. You could get just as much protein from crickets with way less carbon emissions. I can't stand how selfish people are. Almost makes me want to think about maybe considering giving up some portion of my beef intake knowing the proles aren't willing to do their part.

 

[johnson86-1]

There is a huge political shift going on right now. Seems Americans like cheap food and cheap gas more than windmills and solar panels.

About half the people in this country are getting what they asked for, good and hard. Just sucks that the pain falls so disproportionately on the lower and middle income people, including the ones that weren't stupid enough to ask for this.

 

[Pre-Sh.tter]

I personally don’t think that we will run out but it doesn’t take much of a hiccup in the supply chain to throw everything into chaos. There may be a 25 day supply of diesel but it’s not at your local pump. A one day run on gas and diesel like we saw with the last Florida hurricane is just the first domino of many to fall. I’ll be honest, the fragility of our infrastructure and economy as a whole scares me.

One little battery failure in the suez canal put the global economy in timeout for weeks with a cascading effect that echoes today. Everything is far more fragile than we thought in 2019. It turns out that the stability and dependability of our western world bubble was a mirage.

 

[The Peeper]

You should be boycotting Outback Steak House because of the huge carbon footprint beef has. You could get just as much protein from crickets with way less carbon emissions. I can't stand how selfish people are. Almost makes me want to think about maybe considering giving up some portion of my beef intake knowing the proles aren't willing to do their part.

I hear Biden has a team working on farm animals that won't fart so maybe there is hope for humanity..........

 

[jethreauxdawg]

I hear Biden has a team working on farm animals that won't fart so maybe there is hope for humanity..........

Sorta, he and his team are trying plug the emissions port on farm animals

 

[Walkthedawg]

I was told that the risk is somewhat regional. Still shouldn't "run out", but prices could spike significantly more in the northeast than elsewhere. Don't know enough to judge whether that assessment is correct or plausible.

don’t they run a type of diesel, or close to it, for heating oil? And there is a cool winter prediction out for the northeast.

 

[johnson86-1]

don’t they run a type of diesel, or close to it, for heating oil? And there is a cool winter prediction out for the northeast.

The discussion I had which I obviously paid really close attention to did mention that there is maybe something like the strategic petroleum reserve, but for heating oil, in the northeast? Not sure how that ties into the diesel issue but if it's essentially a type of diesel, I guess it would make sense why that came up.

 

[aspendawg]

Cummins has a 15L natural gas engine coming to market in 2024. A great way to avoid reliance on diesel is to slowly encourage the switch to alternative options such as NG. It's cleaner and more abundant here in the US. Infrastructure is easy - find a pipeline and attach a compressor and dispensing unit. NG gas engines emit 15% fewer emissions than diesel and if you want to you can contract to fill your truck with renewable natural gas. The biggest factor is less volatility in pricing which makes it way cheaper. You can get it for about 2.75 a gallon in California.

 

[greenbean.sixpack]

On the farm in the 70s/80s there was a move to vehicles/equipment running off propane. This may have been a reaction to the gas shortages of the 70s? It obviously never caught on in a big way. I still have a 70s chevy truck under the shed that ran on propane.

 

[aspendawg]

On the farm in the 70s/80s there was a move to vehicles/equipment running off propane. This may have been a reaction to the gas shortages of the 70s? It obviously never caught on in a big way. I still have a 70s chevy truck under the shed that ran on propane.

The majority of UPS delivery trucks you see driving around run on NG. The majority of Waste Management and refuse fleets are shifting to NG. Tech has been around for a while but it's just now catching up to diesel in regards to torque, towing, and power.

 

[johnson86-1]

Cummins has a 15L natural gas engine coming to market in 2024. A great way to avoid reliance on diesel is to slowly encourage the switch to alternative options such as NG. It's cleaner and more abundant here in the US. Infrastructure is easy - find a pipeline and attach a compressor and dispensing unit. NG gas engines emit 15% fewer emissions than diesel and if you want to you can contract to fill your truck with renewable natural gas. The biggest factor is less volatility in pricing which makes it way cheaper. You can get it for about 2.75 a gallon in California.

How is a pressurized ng tank in a wreck? I would assume worse than Diesel? Is there a greater risk of an exposive force with ng?

 

[turkish]

About half the people in this country are getting what they asked for, good and hard. Just sucks that the pain falls so disproportionately on the lower and middle income people, including the ones that weren't stupid enough to ask for this.

Easy. Just raise taxes and provide some relief to consumers when prices go up.*

 

[dog12]

There is a huge political shift going on right now. Seems Americans like cheap food and cheap gas more than windmills and solar panels.

I've really enjoyed paying $4 for an 8-oz bag of potato chips.

*****

 

[Preacher Franklin]

I've really enjoyed paying $4 for an 8-oz bag of potato chips.

*****

And the chips look like corn flakes plus it's the Great Value brand.

 

[Preacher Franklin]

A message from your government.

And they believe you can plug it into your 110 v extension cord.