Northwestern with 48 offers
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I wouldn't compare us to Northwestern, but we are still 2nd in offers in the B10 only behind Penn St. I think we offer a few too many kids, but I don't see the big issue. We live in a state and are surrounded by states with little talent. It makes it a lot harder to get the kids you need to win.
Agreed. If we have actually offered that many kids, I don't know how you can already have a proper "read" on them. And what if one-tenth of them call Frost tomorrow and accept their offer? You have already filled your class and are seven over the limit for new initial enrollees. This doesn't seem to me to be a real efficient or effective way to recruit. Vet them first. Winnow the numbers down to something manageable that only include the kids you truly want. That will likely still be around 100. This is way too many offers to have out there.
On a business term this makes me believe that the staff doesn't know it's target market... If you know your specialty in business and what your audience looks like, you know where to advertise and market your product. Why go into neighborhoods or towns where know your product is not in demand? Spreading out your services in areas where you can't cover the market is bad business as well. Know who you are, do it well, and reap the rewards. You can only do two of these three principles in business: Cheap, Fast, or High Quality. Which two do you want to do?
northwestern, ND and stanford always have very very high close rates
that fact has very little to do with football
that fact has very little to do with football
UNL tier 1 of “offers” is not that different than northwestern first reach out....many different tiers of “offers”
We're always going to have to send out more offers because we're obviously just not in a highly populated area like Chicago.
Nebraska ranks their own top 15 athletes at all 22 positions on the football field. Based on need, they may decide to offer less players at one position and more at another. They offer those kids and then work the list based on the following:
1. Mutual interest. - If a kid has no desire to speak with you, don't waste your time.
2. fit, body type, skill set
3. Character vetting, gauging work ethic.
What's ironic is this process has never hurt them. They've actually been very successful following this process. Nebraska's issue with recruiting turnover has been self inflicted by getting involved with kids very late in the recruiting cycle.
Well if there's still a culture issue, they must be whiffing on #3 AND to some degree#1. Gosh I hope we get things figured out soon
I’m certainly not an expert in all of this, but if 33 kids called tomorrow to accept the “offer”, only the best would be rewarded with one. The rest would be reminded that what they have received is a contingent offer that will be firmed up at a later date (or pulled, depending on certain circumstances).
And Nebraska isn’t the only university that does things this way. All major universities do this. Not necessarily the 300+ offers, but the contingency placed on 90% of the offers.
If there was a culture problem, you wouldn't have dudes like Domann, Stille, Dismuke, Deontai, and Honas coming back for another year.
When you have recruits accept 25% of your offers then you only need to put out 100 to fill your class. When recruits accept 3% of your offfers you need to offer 3-400 to fill your class.
Northwestern also has MUCH stricter academic requirements so that drastically reduces the player pool that they can even target.
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really like everyone of these guys as football players. many, most who have left not so much
The Iowa obsession with Nebraska offers is hilarious. It’s just a different philosophy. In fact, look at the teams with the most offers out, most the the better programs. All that matters is the class you sign on signing day.
It’s not like anyone is actually thinking, sure this team signed the #40 class, but they only had 100 offers, so really that’s better than the #20 class with 400 offers. Right?
It’s not like anyone is actually thinking, sure this team signed the #40 class, but they only had 100 offers, so really that’s better than the #20 class with 400 offers. Right?
When your business is struggling what do you? Take a look at a competitor who is having success and model yourself after them.
Northwestern is hardly the powerhouse program that Neb should aspire to be, but the thought is if Neb ran its program as well as Northwestern runs its, Neb could achieve big things.
They went 3-9 last year. So we went 3-5. So next year we should be big ten west champs since we followed them.
Its not the close rates it’s that all three have vigorous vetting processes.
There is some gamesmanship in limiting offers as well. If Northwestern offers a kid ND can bypass the vetting process because they know Northwestern did it for them.
They didn’t have a very good QB in 2019 and that was one of the difference winning the West this year and the 4 years before that NW had some good teams winning the West and they won 3 out of 4 bowl games...
They’ll have another transfer QB from South Carolina next season..
Schaefer's pissed about all of the leads he's going to have to chase with that many offers out there. You can't gauge interest if you don't express your interest in a player.
I would think that IF a kid wants to go to Northwestern he's probably already applied there. They have to have some kind of allowance for late applications from athletes but I think many kids are already starting to find out if they've been accepted to Northwestern. People wonder why Northwestern players seem to not make as many mistakes in games. It isn't just coaching.
Northwestern is a special case because they have higher academic requirements. The real question is how many scholarships are direct competition offering - Wisconsin, Minnesota, Iowa, Illinois. Then you have the obvious answer. It isn't about the population of your state, it's- are you really evaluating talent or just looking at recruiting rankings and throwing out something you hope will stick
supposedly our coaches have looked at video of all of the kids they offer. In addition they've got wide connections with high school coaches familiar not only with their own players but players on other teams in their conference, city or state.
I can’t remember all the details but I think I read the larger # of offers is tied to trying to get visits scheduled, which relates to the mutual interest thing. With kids wanting to visit/commit earlier nowadays, and Nebraska being far away from recruiting hotbeds, most won’t schedule visits without an offer.
There may have been more to it, but while it’s strategic, there’s an element of logistics.
They need to identify earlier the kids with mutual interest, serious enough about planning a visit.
There may have been more to it, but while it’s strategic, there’s an element of logistics.
They need to identify earlier the kids with mutual interest, serious enough about planning a visit.
Are Madison, WI and Iowa City, IA recruiting hotbeds? Why do they have less than 70 offers
My guess is different strategy. In the end, “on paper” we typically out-recruit both.
Then the “on-the-field” stuff happens and our strategy has made no difference.
We’re fortunate to still have recruited decent during this stretch, but it won’t last long if the L’s keep stacking up.
Development is #1 right now.
Could be interpreted that way. Probably Harbaugh and Tucker too. Which is so dumb. Those schools that hardly hand out any offers are playing a game too. They cal the kids, try to get them to visit, etc but don’t extend the offer until they are pretty sure the kid will take it.
Kinda how I feel. I think alot of offers go out to see just how interested a kid is. If he wants to visit u know he is serious. At the end of the day I don really care if we offer 500 or 50 guys to get our 25. We want/need quality 25 regardless.
I'm not sure if he's throwing shots at Nebraska or not but its not like Northwestern is some recruiting juggernaut. If we can just come close to their level of development this is a moot point.
What works for them may not work for us and vice versa.
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