Fleck to the NFL??
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oh, he's a good coach. just a very crazy duckling. Not sure if he is NFL caliber, but hey, if someone will take a shot, he should take it.
I had no idea he played in the NFL. Good coach, but a bit of an "odd duck", IMO. With that said, he's done well at his last two college programs.
I’d still think he’s better head Coach than SF.. Not that I want to rid of Frost but his teams are hard nosed and have a vertical passing game..
Fleck is a way better coach than a lot of people give him credit for. Sure he's a bit different, but the guy gets his players to buy-in and play their a$$e$ off.
Fleck's best skillsets as a HC are player development and player buy-in, which just so happen to be the two of the bigger weaknesses for Frost.
Fleck's best skillsets as a HC are player development and player buy-in, which just so happen to be the two of the bigger weaknesses for Frost.
I don’t disagree, but those are two skills that are rarely needed in the NFL. I think he’s in the right spot where he is.
If Frost's name ever actually comes up in NFL gossip, Moos will call in extra Brinks trucks loaded with cash to deliver the mega-extension.
I agree. Furthermore, Fleck understands that in modern college football your quarterback needs to be able to throw the damn football.
I thought he was in his 50s. He looks like the kind of guy that heads a pyramid scheme and projects Christmas tree lights on his house with a Christmas light projector.
Pretty hard not to agree with that at this point. Oh god, I think I just threw up in my mouth a little.
That seems like the absolute best case. This feels like a story PJ’s agent planted to me. I just can’t imagine an NFL team seeing this guy sprinting around in his pink pants and thinking, our guys will love this.
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This is a case where if he was older, his antics would seem better for the NFL.
He would then be the respected older guy with that energy and heart of gold type guy.
Like that father figure type.
But at 40, I think a lot of NFL guys would be like "**** off"
He would then be the respected older guy with that energy and heart of gold type guy.
Like that father figure type.
But at 40, I think a lot of NFL guys would be like "**** off"
You guys are assuming that is the only way he can coach. He’s motivating the way he thinks it will work where he is at. Why do you think he would “row the boat” the same way in the pros?
When I coached my daughters 4th grade basketball team I did some things differently than when I coached 8th grade boys. “Sharing time” at the start of practice and a game of knockout at the end of every practice as a reward for a good practice worked for the girls but would have been ridiculous for the older boys.
Fleck is a smart guy, goood coach, played and coached in the nfl, has been a successful college coach and he just turned 40. Husker fans hate the guy but an objective view is that he has been a success and will have a lot of opportunities that are a step up from where he is.
All that said I wonder if he won’t hang on and see if he can land the MI job after Harbaugh. His annoying (I agree he is annoying) approach would fit their fan base to a t and Fleck does seem more like a college guy.
Everyone is certainly entitled to their opinion. My opinion is that NFL guys wouldn't take him seriously and would eat his **** up.
You might be right, and Fleck would totally change his approach to fit the NFL dynamic. But you might be wrong, because he has given zero indication that he can be anyone besides the goofy "row the boat and sprint down the sideline" guy. It would seem like a big risk for an NFL organization to say, "hey, we're going to give you a job because you've had some success with your method... but we're going to need you to completely change the way you coach."
Maybe, or maybe he's smart enough to read people and size up situations so that he adapts himself to the characteristics of a successful coach. Choose a philosophy on offense and defense, hire good people and form a cohesive team and culture. We know he'd have no trouble making difficult decisions. He approaches college football very much like a for profit business. It would be difficult with so many millionaire, entitled athletes with varying agendas though. He might fail in the NFL, but he could probably always be above average in college.
The interviews would be very in-depth. A coach has to sell the owners and GM on his vision for the team and his plan to succeed at a rebuild (which every opening is) and why that plan will work. These owners aren't football guys. They pride themselves on spotting talent that can perform in a given role. Fleck has a college persona. He would have to adapt to today's NFL player. Some are knucklehead puppies and others are 30 something grizzled vets. Almost every guy who wants an NFL job cannot be choosy. Ideally you want a top 10 QB in place, but if you don't have that, so be it. Better figure it out.
And right now, I'm calling Cowher to the Jets and Bienemy to Detroit.
I think he's a douche canoe but he's taken Minnesota from an absolute doormat of a program to a winning team. The "players coach" thing in the NFL is overplayed. NFL players want to win just like HS and college kids do. I'd be happy to see him go because odds are his replacement would be a worse coach.
How many of you work for a boss you don't like but you keep showing up for the paycheck? It's the same thing.
Parcels and Belichik are two of the most notorious curmudgeons in the NFL. Dudes wanted to play for them because they won rings. Ditka was a first rate a-hole and his own DC was the first one in line to wanna knock him out. But it was fine as long as they were winning.
How many of you work for a boss you don't like but you keep showing up for the paycheck? It's the same thing.
Parcels and Belichik are two of the most notorious curmudgeons in the NFL. Dudes wanted to play for them because they won rings. Ditka was a first rate a-hole and his own DC was the first one in line to wanna knock him out. But it was fine as long as they were winning.
When I think of a HC or just in general an authority figure in charge, I always think of when someone walks in to a room, everyone in that room feels the need to shut the hell up and respect that person's presence and what they're about to say. I don't see that from Fleck personally. I don't see a Tom Brady or Big Ben stopping what they're doing to take in a second of what he try to "coach" them on.
Initially, I think a new coach will have respect. Ben or Tom are the kind of guys that set the tone for the room. Other guys take cues from them. But, if someone like Fleck had a phony schtick and the players sensed it, he'd lose the team over time. The psychology of the locker room is interesting. Pat Macafee talks about how a coach will use the OGs to gauge the morale of the team and for communication purposes. He needs their buy-in. A coach thinks he has complete control. The truth is, few do, outside of Belicheck, and with enough losses, he could lose it too.
I'm watching Matt Rhule at Carolina, Deep down, I don't think he sees Teddy as the guy, but he has to make it work while building the rest of the team around him.
Hated Psychology class, but very interested in the psychology and relationships between players and players and players and coaches and buy in and all that.
Wild thing with Belichik is he has to almost convince people now that he was the mastermind behind the Pats dynasty and not Tom. So far, looks Tom has that upperhand, which could spell trouble for Bill. I thought to myself the other night after the Pats got blown out, would the Pats really fire Bill if he didn't have a good product anymore in say 2 years? That'd be the sports headline of the 2000s.
Not true at all. Minnesota had won 8+ games 3 of the 4 seasons before Fleck got there. 31-21 (.596) overall. Fleck took over a successful program, with a winning culture. He has been 26-19 (.578) in his 4 years. The fact that PJ Fleck has made people believe he has worked miracles and made a disaster of a program ELIET just speaks to his used car salesman quality.
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lol love that show! I can literally see Ray Lewis, The Goose, and Warren Sapp saying this to him. New age players probably race him to beat him, and then not take him serious after that, while he thinks it's working for buy-in.