Question from an Rutgers fan...

[rutobs]

Just curious, did any Husker fan question the hiring of Frost a few years back or were you guys wishing they hired someone else? I'm stunned that Nebraska isn't back to it's former winning ways under him; I really thought, and most people outside of Nebraska did too at the time, that he was a "Home Run" hire there. Thought you guys would be winning the BIG10 West by now. Just don't understand what has gone wrong. Is he that he's just a bad coach, or is it other things like recruiting, game-day coaching, etc?

It will be a good game Friday; turnovers will determine the game most likely. Lastly, have to say that our last trip out there, the Husker fans were some of the best I've ever been around; very knowledgeable and respectful; had a great time in Lincoln!

 

[9and4_rivals188421]

Be well and enjoy the game. With Rutgers' resurgence in both men's basketball and now apparently in football, we're left with hoping we become Rutgers in those two sports.

 

[HuskerDana_rivals188993]

The concensus was a home run hire, with a handful feeling SF wasn't ready for the job. I actually thought we would be improved under Frost, but it would take four or five years to get things rolling. I am actually pretty surprised that the program is the dumpster fire it is right now.

 

[Husker.Wed._rivals]

I would say 95% were thrilled with the hire, me included. But then, if I had been alive in 1912 I would have been standing in line for Titanic's maiden voyage. Sometimes in the working world an employee comes in with a great resume and attitude, but crashes and burns because he just doesn't "get it". The most frustrating situation for a manager because the employee's problem can't be fixed because no one can isolate what the problem is. Despite reams and reams of opinions on this board and others, it is difficult to figure out what the problem is with this team.

I haven't been to your board since covid, but enjoyed it before then. Lots of posts and really good takes there with a little Jersey "tude" and sarcasm mixed in.

 

[red scowl]

Congratulations on the win Friday.

 

[Child of the Corn]

I thought he was a good-great hire at the time. This was mostly because of his ties to Nebraska rather than his experience, which, in hindsight, is a poor basis for hiring a coach. However, in most of the fans' defense, we knew that in order for a coach to be successful here, we had to a have major culture shift. For so long the culture that we had come to love, that had brought us such success in the past, had been eroded by series of bad leadership decisions. We believed Frost would help to restore this identity.

 

[Harry Caray]

He was National Coach of the Year, had the #1 scoring offense in the country, and was a former player and Nebraska native. Of course it was a home-run hire at the time. It's not like there were more proven coaches out there beating down the door to come coach at Nebraska. Just look at the last three coaches we ended up hiring.

But sometimes it doesn't work out. I thought Rich Rod at Michigan and Dan Hawkins at Colorado were home-run hires at the time, too. I thought Dabo at Clemson was a terrible hire at the time, he had only been a position coach (like Solich) not even a coordinator, and lost to Pelini's first team in the Gator Bowl. There are no guarantees that any coach will pan out.

 

[TheNewNU_rivals50820]

We all thought he was the next big time coach. The only reason we got him were his ties here otherwise he wouldve ended up at Florida, FSU, Tennessee or Oregon. Turns out his magical year was a fluke and he dominated with an NFL QB he lucked into and a bunch of other guys players. We were really bad when he got here. He also chased off a lot of the talent left on the roster and then took a bunch of high risk jucos and high schoolers and whiffed on them, his anointed QB showed a ton of promised but hasnt been the same player since he was a freshman and he refuses to abandon him. He brought his whole staff with him which ended up being a mistake. Bottom line Scott had a magical year and made himself $45M cause we were desparate and now we are stuck with him for better or worse.

 

[rutobs]

I thought he was a good-great hire at the time. This was mostly because of his ties to Nebraska rather than his experience, which, in hindsight, is a poor basis for hiring a coach. However, in most of the fans' defense, we knew that in order for a coach to be successful here, we had to a have major culture shift. For so long the culture that we had come to love, that had brought us such success in the past, had been eroded by series of bad leadership decisions. We believed Frost would help to restore this identity.

Thanks for the responses; it's crazy difficult to hire a good coach, who's also the right fit for a school. We've been through plenty of crap coaches(who would have thought that Schiano would be back here for a second stint?), so we totally get it.
Also think Covid has made this kind of a "throw away" season in a way, meaning that what one school accomplishes this season may not duplicate it next season, good or bad.

 

[9and4_rivals188421]

Schiano is a proven winner, but it took him five years to get things rolling at Rutgers in the Big East. Here's to Frost figuring some stuff out in the next two years, or I'm afraid it will not end well.

 

[TheBeav815]

We all thought Frost was THE hire. Nobody saw this kind of rudderless, stupid, sloppy, disinterested play coming from his team in year 3.

 

[Suhrreal]

Just curious, did any Husker fan question the hiring of Frost a few years back or were you guys wishing they hired someone else? I'm stunned that Nebraska isn't back to it's former winning ways under him; I really thought, and most people outside of Nebraska did too at the time, that he was a "Home Run" hire there. Thought you guys would be winning the BIG10 West by now. Just don't understand what has gone wrong. Is he that he's just a bad coach, or is it other things like recruiting, game-day coaching, etc?

It will be a good game Friday; turnovers will determine the game most likely. Lastly, have to say that our last trip out there, the Husker fans were some of the best I've ever been around; very knowledgeable and respectful; had a great time in Lincoln!

https://nebraska.forums.rivals.com/threads/why-would-frost-choose-nu-over-florida.189645/page-8

Blast from the past. Many bought into the hype and marketing job that Frost's buddies did on here and social media. A fun exercise would be to find the posters in that thread that never posted again after Frost was hired. They are probably collecting $ from the program in some capacity now.

 

[Suhrreal]

We all thought Frost was THE hire. Nobody saw this kind of rudderless, stupid, sloppy, disinterested play coming from his team in year 3.

Not true at all as the thread above shows. But to be fair, you are quite correct that nobody saw THIS level of incompetence coming.

 

[JDD1959]

I thought it was a good hire (Native son) BUT I was also concerned with his limited time as a Head coach. In addition. despite the big offensive numbers at UCF I learned watching NU struggle at times in the BIG that this is a big boy conf and takes a physical style of play to complete with any/all in your division. Scott may prove me wrong but i think he would be much better off (wins/losses) if he played/offensively in more of a traditional style (i.e. Iowa) than in his "duck" or whatever he calls this offense. It'll be cold at Rutgers, maybe windy, we'll see how his offense does chucking the ball around. It would be perfect conditions for Power running game with a blocking fullback.

 

[nu2u]

There were a few, myself included, who questioned or doubted that Frost's UCF offense could be consistently successful in the Big Ten. I fully expected that, if hired, Frost would adapt and develop a hybrid offense - a combination of the offense he QB'd at Nebraska and concepts of the offense he coached at UCF. Instead, right out of the gate he declared that the league would have to adjust to his UCF schemes. They have....and remarkably well.

 

[SkerInCo]

Unlike most here, I think he'll eventually get there but still has a lot to learn. Right now he doesn't have a QB.

 

[K_Y_E]

Thanks for the responses; it's crazy difficult to hire a good coach, who's also the right fit for a school. We've been through plenty of crap coaches(who would have thought that Schiano would be back here for a second stint?), so we totally get it.
Also think Covid has made this kind of a "throw away" season in a way, meaning that what one school accomplishes this season may not duplicate it next season, good or bad.

In my opinion our biggest issue is QB. We just don’t have a guy that is even average at passing which makes us very one dimensional. Oh we have many other issues such as penalties, turnovers and numerous questionable coaching moves, but if we had a serviceable qb, we would have won many of the close games we’ve had and we’d all be looking at things differently.

 

[99_BoothBalloons]

Despite reams and reams of opinions on this board and others, it is difficult to figure out what the problem is with this team.

I suppose what I’m about to say is just one opinion in the reams that you mention. The team obviously has multiple problems, but most of them would be easy to look past if we had a QB who actually pulls the trigger on his open downfield receivers. The offense wouldn’t suck, and a sucky offense is our main ailment right now.

 

[Husker.Wed._rivals]

I suppose what I’m about to say is just one opinion in the reams that you mention. The team obviously has multiple problems, but most of them would be easy to look past if we had a QB who actually pulls the trigger on his open downfield receivers. The offense wouldn’t suck, and a sucky offense is our main ailment right now.

What you say is true....but even if he could there is no guarantee the snap wouldn't be over his head, the QB wouldn't fumble it, the QB wouldn't fall down while dropping back, the receiver would catch the ball, a lineman wouldn't whiff a block or hold. And supposing he threw a 40 yard pass for a first and goal on the nine. Chances are we'd end up kicking the FG. Not to argue with you, but this offense finds ways to sputter even when things seem to be going right.

 

[oldjar07]

Just curious, did any Husker fan question the hiring of Frost a few years back or were you guys wishing they hired someone else? I'm stunned that Nebraska isn't back to it's former winning ways under him; I really thought, and most people outside of Nebraska did too at the time, that he was a "Home Run" hire there. Thought you guys would be winning the BIG10 West by now. Just don't understand what has gone wrong. Is he that he's just a bad coach, or is it other things like recruiting, game-day coaching, etc?

It will be a good game Friday; turnovers will determine the game most likely. Lastly, have to say that our last trip out there, the Husker fans were some of the best I've ever been around; very knowledgeable and respectful; had a great time in Lincoln!

I was elated when we got him. Thought we hit a grand slam. Now I'm ready for the next guy.

 

[otismotis08]

I just knew this might happen...

 

[Husker Hambone]

Echoing many posters here in thinking he was going to change the program into a winner again... unfortunately he has fallen flat on his face, and just cannot get out of his own way. I do think we have some talent, and some talented young players so time will tell. He had a steep climb when he first arrived, as Riley set us back 4-5 years in S&C. Frost’s teams over the past three years have not gotten pushed around as much, this year being the best... especially on defense, and specifically against the run.

 

[cubuffsdoug_rivals]

Schiano is a proven winner, but it took him five years to get things rolling at Rutgers in the Big East. Here's to Frost figuring some stuff out in the next two years, or I'm afraid it will not end well.

Frost stepped into a better situation than Schiano. Schiano stepped into a cluster*ck after Terry Shea. Shea was losing games regularly to FCS schools and couldn't keep guys in school as they flunked out. Schiano had to build the infrastructure (facilities, academic support, etc.) for Rutgers before putting a competitive team on the field. Frost walked into a situation where Nebraska was down but had the infrastructure of support and facilities in place. All Frost needed to do was recruit better and coach up the players to Nebraska's expectations, which isn't asking a lot. Nebraska fielded winning teams for over 50 straight years, and most were able to compete for national titles.

Former Rutgers HC Chris Ash was Terry Shea II, and that's why Schiano was probably the only guy able to fix Rutgers' problems. Since he built a lot of the infrastructure for Rutgers his first time around, it hasn't taken him long to show improvement on the field. Ash won like 4 B1G conference games in 4 seasons. Schiano accomplished almost the same in a short season. Schiano has a top 30 recruiting class (2021), and he's doing extremely well with NJ's top 20 (2022) class.

 

[CatColumbia]

Congrats on hiring a real coach OP. As for Frost, like most on here say, 95% wanted him including myself. You have guys like Tim Brando (who I really respect) come out and say he's the next Saban, I believed it and I was totally drunk on the Kool-Aid. Never did any of us see this coming. To share some of my feelings towards the state of the program it's frustrating, sad, disappointing, sickening, laughable, and depressing.

To me the two main issues are play calling and stubborness. We tend to call the wrong plays over and over and over. It's almost like Frost says "Watch me, we'll keep running it until we get it right". Just fixing those two alone were a .500 team.

 

[WestCoastCornhusker2]

Just curious, did any Husker fan question the hiring of Frost a few years back or were you guys wishing they hired someone else? I'm stunned that Nebraska isn't back to it's former winning ways under him; I really thought, and most people outside of Nebraska did too at the time, that he was a "Home Run" hire there. Thought you guys would be winning the BIG10 West by now. Just don't understand what has gone wrong. Is he that he's just a bad coach, or is it other things like recruiting, game-day coaching, etc?

It will be a good game Friday; turnovers will determine the game most likely. Lastly, have to say that our last trip out there, the Husker fans were some of the best I've ever been around; very knowledgeable and respectful; had a great time in Lincoln!

Frost's Folly was bringing his whole Sun Belt staff with him to a major blue blood high budget power 5 program. In addition, his offense is more easily understood and defended and he's incapable of making any adjustments.

 

[TotalBassNole]

I thought it was a good hire (Native son) BUT I was also concerned with his limited time as a Head coach. In addition. despite the big offensive numbers at UCF I learned watching NU struggle at times in the BIG that this is a big boy conf and takes a physical style of play to complete with any/all in your division. Scott may prove me wrong but i think he would be much better off (wins/losses) if he played/offensively in more of a traditional style (i.e. Iowa) than in his "duck" or whatever he calls this offense. It'll be cold at Rutgers, maybe windy, we'll see how his offense does chucking the ball around. It would be perfect conditions for Power running game with a blocking fullback.

I'm not a Nebraska fan, but I also thought his general lack of interest in defense (even his great UCF team gave up like 40 points per game) and kind of gimmicky offense was going to be very, very difficult to translate into Big 10 wins.

Like it or not, the Big 10 is a different animal than the Big 12 or Sun Belt, or other speed and spread it out conferences. You need to be stout in the lines, have a run game and play damn good defense to be in the top half of either Big 10 division. I think Frost is learning this the hard way.

The question now is can he adapt and change?

 

[CatColumbia]

I'm not a Nebraska fan, but I also thought his general lack of interest in defense (even his great UCF team gave up like 40 points per game) and kind of gimmicky offense was going to be very, very difficult to translate into Big 10 wins.

Like it or not, the Big 10 is a different animal than the Big 12 or Sun Belt, or other speed and spread it out conferences. You need to be stout in the lines, have a run game and play damn good defense to be in the top half of either Big 10 division. I think Frost is learning this the hard way.

The question now is can he adapt and change?

Is he learning though?

 

[TotalBassNole]

Is he learning though?

Well, as a fan of another team but who watches Nebraska pretty often - I will say his offensive and defensive lines are not as soft as they were the first two seasons he was here. The biggest issue Nebraska has now is consistency. They will have a few good series, a good quarter or two, and then just start making ridiculous mistakes and things snowball. You can almost see the players' body language saying "ahh, crap, here we go again......"

 

[WestCoastCornhusker2]

Well, as a fan of another team but who watches Nebraska pretty often - I will say his offensive and defensive lines are not as soft as they were the first two seasons he was here. The biggest issue Nebraska has now is consistency. They will have a few good series, a good quarter or two, and then just start making ridiculous mistakes and things snowball. You can almost see the players' body language saying "ahh, crap, here we go again......"

Yes, big improvements in S&C, big steps back on strategic planning and detailed preparation.

 

[Mack In Motion]

You can almost see the players' body language saying "ahh, crap, here we go again......"

Yep.

And supposedly the team has captains, who are supposed to lead at those kinds of times.

 

[gw2kpro]

Yep.

And supposedly the team has captains, who are supposed to lead at those kinds of times.

Lay off the captains. One of those dudes had a killer mustache.

 

[WestCoastCornhusker2]

In my opinion our biggest issue is QB. We just don’t have a guy that is even average at passing which makes us very one dimensional. Oh we have many other issues such as penalties, turnovers and numerous questionable coaching moves, but if we had a serviceable qb, we would have won many of the close games we’ve had and we’d all be looking at things differently.

It's our QB coaching, it's terrible now. Proof is Vedral. Vedral looks dramatically better than he did at Nebraska. AM is a solid QB in a terrible coaching situation.

 

[oldjar07]

Frost's Folly was bringing his whole Sun Belt staff with him to a major blue blood high budget power 5 program. In addition, his offense is more easily understood and defended and he's incapable of making any adjustments.

Yeah that set off some alarm bells for me. Still thought we'd be okay and not turn into the disaster it has.

 

[TheNewNU_rivals50820]

Frost stepped into a better situation than Schiano. Schiano stepped into a cluster*ck after Terry Shea. Shea was losing games regularly to FCS schools and couldn't keep guys in school as they flunked out. Schiano had to build the infrastructure (facilities, academic support, etc.) for Rutgers before putting a competitive team on the field. Frost walked into a situation where Nebraska was down but had the infrastructure of support and facilities in place. All Frost needed to do was recruit better and coach up the players to Nebraska's expectations, which isn't asking a lot. Nebraska fielded winning teams for over 50 straight years, and most were able to compete for national titles.

Former Rutgers HC Chris Ash was Terry Shea II, and that's why Schiano was probably the only guy able to fix Rutgers' problems. Since he built a lot of the infrastructure for Rutgers his first time around, it hasn't taken him long to show improvement on the field. Ash won like 4 B1G conference games in 4 seasons. Schiano accomplished almost the same in a short season. Schiano has a top 30 recruiting class (2021), and he's doing extremely well with NJ's top 20 (2022) class.

Schiano is the man. I thought Tennessee and Clay Travis were bigger fools than usual for ousting him before he even got hired. Now Pruitt is a dead man walking and Schiano has Rutgers getting back on the right track already

 

[ThereIsNoPlace_rivals38755]

Just curious, did any Husker fan question the hiring of Frost a few years back or were you guys wishing they hired someone else? I'm stunned that Nebraska isn't back to it's former winning ways under him; I really thought, and most people outside of Nebraska did too at the time, that he was a "Home Run" hire there. Thought you guys would be winning the BIG10 West by now. Just don't understand what has gone wrong. Is he that he's just a bad coach, or is it other things like recruiting, game-day coaching, etc?

It will be a good game Friday; turnovers will determine the game most likely. Lastly, have to say that our last trip out there, the Husker fans were some of the best I've ever been around; very knowledgeable and respectful; had a great time in Lincoln!

Thanks for cheering for our native son Noah Vedral.

Was sorry to hear about the passing of your fellow Rivals poster @R1776U earlier this year.

Good luck this week.

 

[t7w0c1_rivals]

Just curious, did any Husker fan question the hiring of Frost a few years back or were you guys wishing they hired someone else? I'm stunned that Nebraska isn't back to it's former winning ways under him; I really thought, and most people outside of Nebraska did too at the time, that he was a "Home Run" hire there. Thought you guys would be winning the BIG10 West by now. Just don't understand what has gone wrong. Is he that he's just a bad coach, or is it other things like recruiting, game-day coaching, etc?

It will be a good game Friday; turnovers will determine the game most likely. Lastly, have to say that our last trip out there, the Husker fans were some of the best I've ever been around; very knowledgeable and respectful; had a great time in Lincoln!

The truth is this is Frosts 5th year as a head coach and he has 4 losing seasons (3 here) and 1 undefeated season. As for now I think we were all fooled. I do think there was a lot more that Scott had to fix than he realized but thats just another excuse as well. I dont think he is going anywhere for a couple years no matter what happens so hopefully a switch goes off soon. There are a lot of little things prohibiting this thing from taking off but to me not having a good qb and bad game plans have been the two biggest issues to date.

 

[redfanusa]

Was excited about hiring Frost, but that was quickly diminished when he brought over his entire staff from UCF. Nebraska had the kind of money that Frost could have cherry-picked top assistants from around the country. And...he didn't. The buddy hires have proven to be less than great.