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LoudHogRider

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I got enough problems, I don't want the attention/hassle. I'm not worried about people who do open carry, most likely is they have a holster they're probably a good guy.
The only time I've ever "open carried" is while hiking in the mountains. You still draw "looks" from some of the other folks on the trail, but others will glance at it and give you the "head nod of approval".

But in daily practice, open carrying simply makes you the first target for the bad guys in a public situation. Hard pass.
 

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One of the biggest mistakes people make is they fail to consider how much weight is added with a full clip. Most of my cc pistols are 9mm but I would consider a smaller caliber with a 6 shot mag for comfort.
 

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One of the biggest mistakes people make is they fail to consider how much weight is added with a full clip. Most of my cc pistols are 9mm but I would consider a smaller caliber with a 6 shot mag for comfort.
Agree, feel free to laugh now.
But in the summer, if I'm just wearing athletic shorts. I carry a Keltec P32 in 32 acp.

Gun, mag and 7 rounds weighs like 11 ounces. I do have a 10 round mag with full-size grip, which pushes it to 15 ounces I think. It shoots (or I do) pretty decent at 21 ft, hardly any recoil, trigger kinda sux. I've put 750 rounds through it, 1 stovepipe and 1 failure to feed. Other than that, good little gun.
 

dinglefritz

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I have a friend who is a policeman and he open carries quite a bit when he not working. If he is not open carrying he has one concealed. One time I was with him when he was off duty and we were picking up something in a neighborhood neither one of us live in. This one older lady was really tearing into him for having a holster with a gun on his belt. He just ignored her. Never said a word to her
I kind of have an urge to get an ivory handled revolver with some nice engraving on it so I can open carry with a western style holster......... Just to see what people say. Maybe a nice black Stetson to go with it. Wish I could still wear cowboy boots. People need to take a trip up to West Glacier and walk around a little bit with some of the locals. Just about everybody who spends any time off the pavement open carries. I've seen some loggers out there carrying MONSTER revolvers on their hip that I don't think I could shoot without dislocating my thumb.
 

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I carry a Glock19 daily without printing and even if it does print I could care less

What does printing mean? Like, that you can see an outline of it in your pants?

By the way, if that is what it means...then my cock is printing anytime I wear jeans.
 

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What does printing mean? Like, that you can see an outline of it in your pants?

By the way, if that is what it means...then my cock is printing anytime I wear jeans.
The whole point of concealment is that it is hidden. If your gun is showing through your clothing, you've announced to the world that you're carrying which is the opposite of what you want to do. On your second point, maybe move away from the skinny jeans. No one wants to see nor hear about your filthy member
 

LoudHogRider

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I kind of have an urge to get an ivory handled revolver with some nice engraving on it so I can open carry with a western style holster......... Just to see what people say. Maybe a nice black Stetson to go with it. Wish I could still wear cowboy boots. People need to take a trip up to West Glacier and walk around a little bit with some of the locals. Just about everybody who spends any time off the pavement open carries. I've seen some loggers out there carrying MONSTER revolvers on their hip that I don't think I could shoot without dislocating my thumb.
Grizzlies = the need for a quickly accessible monster revolver. Hat tip to the loggers for including that as part of their daily equipment.

I carry my .480 Ruger Alaskan in a chest rig when "off pavement" in grizzly country for that very reason.
 

otismotis08

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Ammo shortage has arrived. I find it hard to believe that it's just people like you and me buying up the supply.
Something else is going on here.
 

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dinglefritz

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Grizzlies = the need for a quickly accessible monster revolver. Hat tip to the loggers for including that as part of their daily equipment.

I carry my .480 Ruger Alaskan in a chest rig when "off pavement" in grizzly country for that very reason.
The one time I hiked in the Bob Marshall Wilderness I carried a borrowed .44 Magnum S&W. That's been over 20 years ago but I still remember that. That's a load when you get to altitude. The bear spray as the first deterrent was even heavier. I've had that gun along on other trips to Yellowstone but never really felt the need to take it out of the pack as we didn't do much backcountry hiking and every trail we were on was pretty wide open with lots of people. I really haven't been much in to handguns until recently and unfortunately the only places I feel like a may need one ban them. Ironic isn't it?
 

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The one time I hiked in the Bob Marshall Wilderness I carried a borrowed .44 Magnum S&W. That's been over 20 years ago but I still remember that. That's a load when you get to altitude. The bear spray as the first deterrent was even heavier. I've had that gun along on other trips to Yellowstone but never really felt the need to take it out of the pack as we didn't do much backcountry hiking and every trail we were on was pretty wide open with lots of people. I really haven't been much in to handguns until recently and unfortunately the only places I feel like a may need one ban them. Ironic isn't it?


Firearms in National Parks

It's wild. You can possess and open carry loaded firearms (handgun, rifle, shotgun) at the parks. But... state laws have to be followed while in that state. You also pretty much can't possess them in any of their facilities. I'm not sure about bathrooms. Discharge is prohibited in the Park unless you are authorized. You may hunt under their guidance.

Visitors should not consider firearms as protection from wildlife.

I guess I would be going to jail immediately after I shoot whatever is attacking me. LOL
 

dinglefritz

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Firearms in National Parks

It's wild. You can possess and open carry loaded firearms (handgun, rifle, shotgun) at the parks. But... state laws have to be followed while in that state. You also pretty much can't possess them in any of their facilities. I'm not sure about bathrooms. Discharge is prohibited in the Park unless you are authorized. You may hunt under their guidance.



I guess I would be going to jail immediately after I shoot whatever is attacking me. LOL
I'm pretty sure that during the reign of Lord Clinton that you couldn't even have a firearm in your car in the National Park system. It's been too long since I've hiked in the Tetons or Yellowstone but I'm afraid my aching joints tell me those days are in the rear view mirror.

The places where I felt I really needed to carry but couldn't were urban areas though. I would take my chances with the bears. Antifa protestors blocking a city street and setting my car on fire though might require a firearm.
 

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I've had my HK with me when I was in the Teton and Yellowstone. Just left it in the car. But I'm really not asking. I rarely carry in the city. I don't feel threatened in any way. It's when I'm in the middle of nowhere, that's when I'm carrying.
 

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What do you got? I am leaning toward a Glock 19 or Sig 365XL. I've shot both and both have solid reputations. Anything else I should consider? I want minimum printing, but something that is long enough for hands that are on the larger side. TIA.

Also, is the insurance a must have? Considering USCCA.

Both solid choices. I prefer the Glock 19...I carry it most of the late fall, winter and early spring. Once it hits t-shirt and short weather I usually go with a Glock 43.

Number of other solid options out there. Glock 19 is my favorite overall gun for use as carry/home/truck gun. Very versatile.

As for carry insurance I use USCCA. Had a friend that actually had to take advantage of the benefits and they took care of him very well. Others out there are pretty good. To me the big things to look for in insurance is.

1. They pay for cost at time. Not a reimbursement.
2. Let you select your own lawyer versus having to use one they chose.
3. They don't use a 2nd party insurer.
 

dinglefritz

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Ammo shortage has arrived. I find it hard to believe that it's just people like you and me buying up the supply.
Something else is going on here.
Well there were videos of people handing out dozens of semi-auto rifles out of the trunk of a car in the "autonomous zone". There's been news stories of black "militias" and BLM protestors marching with AR style rifles as well. I hate using AR to describe the arm but that unfortunately is the way it rolls these days. Lots of people who weren't Trump supporters have been buying guns.

Ironically, Harris having said, "yes we're going to come for your guns" drove even more gun and ammo sales. Good luck ever getting them Joe and Kamala. I believe it was about 6 years ago where polling revealed a fairly high (50%?) of Americans believed there would be a civil war in the U.S. in the near future. The rhetoric being spewed by the far left isn't helping that belief.
 

dinglefritz

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Both solid choices. I prefer the Glock 19...I carry it most of the late fall, winter and early spring. Once it hits t-shirt and short weather I usually go with a Glock 43.

Number of other solid options out there. Glock 19 is my favorite overall gun for use as carry/home/truck gun. Very versatile.

As for carry insurance I use USCCA. Had a friend that actually had to take advantage of the benefits and they took care of him very well. Others out there are pretty good. To me the big things to look for in insurance is.

1. They pay for cost at time. Not a reimbursement.
2. Let you select your own lawyer versus having to use one they chose.
3. They don't use a 2nd party insurer.
I'm a life NRA member and I seem to recall that you're automatically covered through them as a member. I guess I've never worried about it other than to carry a personal umbrella liability policy.
 

dinglefritz

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I've had my HK with me when I was in the Teton and Yellowstone. Just left it in the car. But I'm really not asking. I rarely carry in the city. I don't feel threatened in any way. It's when I'm in the middle of nowhere, that's when I'm carrying.
True story. After 9-11 our old scout leader met 2 van loads of our boy scout troop at Mt Rushmore as they were doing the flag ceremony at Mt. Rushmore during the lighting ceremony at sunset. AWESOME! Anyway he went to park in the lot and they were searching cars. They asked him if he had any guns in his vehicle. His response well yeah probably. He had 13 loaded firearms in his Suburban.....dressed in his Boy Scout leader full Class A uniform. They found several stashed in places that he had forgotten about. They held on to them until he left. He thanked them for finding a couple of them. He said "I wondered what had happened to those".RollingLaugh
 

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Well there were videos of people handing out dozens of semi-auto rifles out of the trunk of a car in the "autonomous zone". There's been news stories of black "militias" and BLM protestors marching with AR style rifles as well. I hate using AR to describe the arm but that unfortunately is the way it rolls these days. Lots of people who weren't Trump supporters have been buying guns.

Ironically, Harris having said, "yes we're going to come for your guns" drove even more gun and ammo sales. Good luck ever getting them Joe and Kamala. I believe it was about 6 years ago where polling revealed a fairly high (50%?) of Americans believed there would be a civil war in the U.S. in the near future. The rhetoric being spewed by the far left isn't helping that belief.
I gotta wonder if the govt is gobbling it up and/or suppressing production/distribution to commercial outlets.
 

LoudHogRider

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Firearms in National Parks

It's wild. You can possess and open carry loaded firearms (handgun, rifle, shotgun) at the parks. But... state laws have to be followed while in that state. You also pretty much can't possess them in any of their facilities. I'm not sure about bathrooms. Discharge is prohibited in the Park unless you are authorized. You may hunt under their guidance.

I guess I would be going to jail immediately after I shoot whatever is attacking me. LOL
All true, but they're permitted specifically FOR self-defense only purposes in National Parks. I had a nice chat with a Park Ranger on this very topic in Glacier NP about 18 months ago. They're not allowed in Federal Park buildings, but permitted in the wilderness where the critters that might wanna do you harm live. That seems like a fair trade-off to me.

And Montana has a reciprocity agreement with Nebraska, so my Concealed Carry Permit was valid there, which means I could keep it legally in the Land Rover when we were in Federal buildings within the Park.
 

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Both solid choices. I prefer the Glock 19...I carry it most of the late fall, winter and early spring. Once it hits t-shirt and short weather I usually go with a Glock 43.

Number of other solid options out there. Glock 19 is my favorite overall gun for use as carry/home/truck gun. Very versatile.

As for carry insurance I use USCCA. Had a friend that actually had to take advantage of the benefits and they took care of him very well. Others out there are pretty good. To me the big things to look for in insurance is.

1. They pay for cost at time. Not a reimbursement.
2. Let you select your own lawyer versus having to use one they chose.
3. They don't use a 2nd party insurer.
USCCA is awesome. Great training as well.
 

Scrunge68

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None whatsoever. But they're generally thicker, heavier to carry, and harder to conceal than modern day semi-automatics, particularly those with "single stack" magazines, and this thread is about concealed carry. Plus some revolvers give you some ammo versatility. As an example, a revolver designed to shoot the .357 magnum rounds can also shoot .38 special rounds, which are less expensive and softer shooting for range days.

There are smaller revolvers designed for concealed carry and as such many individuals do conceal carry their revolvers, but they're most comfortable with an "outside the waistband" holster due to their size & weight. IMO.

Depending on your budget, revolvers can be one heck of an investment. Those old Colts continue to appreciate in value, as to many of the other upper tier revolvers - particularly anything "pre-lock".

Yep. Love the revolvers but just not for concealed carry. Even the smaller versions are bulky for carry to me.
 

Scrunge68

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Get a proper holster for your pistol a few extra mags and Sturdy belt.

Absolutely. All to often people get a gun then a cheap holster and use a standard belt versus a good gun belt and find it uncomfortable. Makes a huge difference if you spend a little more on good accessories.
 

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Those of you that do carry...do you get "looks" when you are carrying?

Almost never open carry but the few times I have. Normally when out working on the ranch and run into town quick to get something. Never have got more than a passing glance.
 

dinglefritz

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I gotta wonder if the govt is gobbling it up and/or suppressing production/distribution to commercial outlets.
I really don't think so. I think private citizens are doing it. Man I mean you can put a lot of ammo through a semi-auto rifle pretty quickly. A large magazine doesn't last long when you're target shooting.
 

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People know there is is a shortage, so whenever more is available, they buy up as much as possible. It's a great day to be in the ammunition business
 

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They would have to build capacity. This run is temporary. When COVID fizzles out and Biden gets in office, things will calm down. Unfortunately, between COVID and this ammo shortage I'm just not shooting. I have this new .357 that I'm dying to use for the first time.

I may go out to East Texas and rent a cabin. The last time I was out there the owner told me I could shoot on his ranch. I'm guessing that quite a bit may be shut down this Thanksgiving holiday. What a year.
 

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The Sig and Glock you (the OP) mention are good firearms, and depending on how you dress could be concealable. In that same size class, I'd also check out the CZ P-07 and P-10C. That being said, mid-sized firearms (I don't consider those "compact") take a little extra work to conceal for most people and aren't my recommendation for a dedicated concealed carry firearm.

I personally carry an M&P Shield 9mm when I can carry IWB or a Ruger LCP II if my outfit necessitates pocket carry. I carry my Shield with the 8 round extended mag and can easily get a full grip (I wear XL gloves for reference). For IWB carry, I'd also toss out the Springfield XDe, Glock 43, or Sig P365 (non-XL version) as easily concealed options. I find compact "single stacks" or "staggered stacks" (i.e. not a true double stack mag) much easier to conceal. And the reality is if you don't feel like you can really conceal it, you won't carry it.

Also, don't skimp on the holster. A quality holster can make a world of difference in ease of carry.

As far as carry insurance, it isn't really insurance in the traditional sense. It is more like prepaid legal representation. It is a very good idea to have it, as if you are involved in a self defense shooting things can get very expensive very quickly. I personally use CCW Safe.

In addition to carry insurance, though, I highly recommend having a local attorney on retainer or at least having a good relationship with one where you can rely on them to come out when you need them to. Representation from the "insurance" companies is great and worth what you pay, but a local attorney knows the local judges (and probably golfs and/or goes to lunch with them) and the politics of the area among other things which can be extremely helpful when bail is set and just with the overall tone of the proceedings. That comes from someone who both carries and works in the court system.
 

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They would have to build capacity. This run is temporary. When COVID fizzles out and Biden gets in office, things will calm down. Unfortunately, between COVID and this ammo shortage I'm just not shooting. I have this new .357 that I'm dying to use for the first time.

IF the Republicans hold the Senate (win one or both Georgia runoffs) then you're probably right, although I think elevated prices and relative scarcity (just maybe not quite at current levels) will likely continue through 2021 just because of the backlog in production.

If the Democrats win both Georgia runoffs, though, all bets are off given how far the Democratic platform reaches on gun control (banning all online sales of firearms, ammo, firearm parts, etc.). A Biden presidency with both Houses of Congress will exacerbate current panic buying regardless of if those measures are pushed, which given current rhetoric I fully expect the would be. Especially with threats of adding new states to expand their majority, abolishing the filibuster and packing the Supreme Court, concerns about government overreach don't seem unfounded.

I think the Democrats taking both Georgia runoffs is unlikely, but it is not outside of the realm of possibility.
 

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The manufacturers just don't want to invest in something that is only temporary. Not to mention that people are hoarding. It's hard to find reasonably priced ammo. A range near my work seems like they aren't gouging, but no great deals on range ammo.
 

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The manufacturers just don't want to invest in something that is only temporary.

Exactly. Investing in expanded production to meet short term demand is a recipe for overextending and they know that. When demand cools, the additional machinery and labor they might have added won't be needed anymore. Doesn’t make financial sense to expand.
 

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They would have to build capacity. This run is temporary. When COVID fizzles out and Biden gets in office, things will calm down. Unfortunately, between COVID and this ammo shortage I'm just not shooting. I have this new .357 that I'm dying to use for the first time.

I may go out to East Texas and rent a cabin. The last time I was out there the owner told me I could shoot on his ranch. I'm guessing that quite a bit may be shut down this Thanksgiving holiday. What a year.
If you ever get near northeast Nebraska you can shoot at my place.... Neighbors are used to gunshots. A neighbor a mile to the east has a 1200 yard range in a protected draw below his house.
 

dinglefritz

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IF the Republicans hold the Senate (win one or both Georgia runoffs) then you're probably right, although I think elevated prices and relative scarcity (just maybe not quite at current levels) will likely continue through 2021 just because of the backlog in production.

If the Democrats win both Georgia runoffs, though, all bets are off given how far the Democratic platform reaches on gun control (banning all online sales of firearms, ammo, firearm parts, etc.). A Biden presidency with both Houses of Congress will exacerbate current panic buying regardless of if those measures are pushed, which given current rhetoric I fully expect the would be. Especially with threats of adding new states to expand their majority, abolishing the filibuster and packing the Supreme Court, concerns about government overreach don't seem unfounded.

I think the Democrats taking both Georgia runoffs is unlikely, but it is not outside of the realm of possibility.
Before the 2016 election a friend with a gun shop had a partner who was having some health issues and mistakenly duplicate ordered a bunch of ARs. They ended losing several hundred dollars a gun on those.
 

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Before the 2016 election a friend with a gun shop had a partner who was having some health issues and mistakenly duplicate ordered a bunch of ARs. They ended losing several hundred dollars a gun on those.

Ya, that's really a worst case scenario as far trying to get money back on them. I've had my AR for several years now, and I could probably sell it for $500 more than I paid. Mind you, it has a good number of improvements, but not $500 worth.
 

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IMO the best carry handgun is a snubby revolver in .38 special that is rated for +P defense cartridges. They are not much heavier than autos and require no extra thought when your life is in danger than deploy and pull trigger.
 

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IMO the best carry handgun is a snubby revolver in .38 special that is rated for +P defense cartridges. They are not much heavier than autos and require no extra thought when your life is in danger than deploy and pull trigger.

Unless I'm showing it to someone, my VP9 is always loaded with one in the chamber. Ready and waiting.
 

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Lots of speculation about ammo and components shortages. Reloaders went through this before but the foreign products hit the market and it helped ease the pain. I read a report that said there is a huge increase in google searches of people wanting to learn how to reload their own ammo. The problem is there always seems to be a component issue somewhere, this time it is primers. People are paying $20 a hundred for them when not long ago they were on sale for $2.30 or so. Then there is the fear of a new tax from the Biden Administration and ban on all internet sales.

This link is from one of the major component suppliers in the U.S, Powder Valley here in Kansas. It provides some good information on the shortages and they would know if anyone does. https://www.powdervalleyinc.com/blog/