Sipple says

[Sodakred]

Sipple says that Frost needs to be concerned about growing fan apathy. I agree. I grew up in Lincoln. As a boy I sold coke in the stands. I started going to games with my dad in 1965. I have travelled to tons of away games. Was in Norman in 1971. And even though I have lived on the east coast since 1989 I have always flown back to Lincoln every Fall for 2 or 3 games. I am as rabid a Husker fan as you can find. And guess what? I really just don’t give a **** anymore. My pride in the excellence of our football team is gone. Now all I feel is apathy and disgust.
My point? That if I have reached this level of indifference my hunch is so have thousands of other Husker fans.

Frost isn’t going anywhere. He will be our coach for at least a few more years. Too many millions to buy him out in an era of Covid budget crisis. So he needs to look in the mirror really hard and make the changes necessary to turn this around. Because if he doesn’t, our last remaining strength as a program - - fan support - - will be gone.

If you really didn’t give a **** anymore you wouldn’t be here all the time. But I think we are about the same age and like you my enthusiasm is gone. Although I still care, I have gotten in the habit of recording games and watching them quickly later. Yesterday, I watched it live and obviously that was a three hour+ mistake.

When things started slipping under Solich twenty years ago - like the 7-7 season - I couldn’t imagine that lasting. Now, I can’t imagine anything better. Our players look slow, undisciplined and even disinterested in some cases. This isn’t new. It has been the same song for nearly twenty years. And yet a couple old timers like us who grew up with Devaney are still here every day hoping for change.

I kind of wish we no longer gave a ****, but we do. Just be glad you aren’t a fan under 30 who has no memory of all of those great Husker teams.

 

[orclover11]

Sipple says that Frost needs to be concerned about growing fan apathy. I agree. I grew up in Lincoln. As a boy I sold coke in the stands. I started going to games with my dad in 1965. I have travelled to tons of away games. Was in Norman in 1971. And even though I have lived on the east coast since 1989 I have always flown back to Lincoln every Fall for 2 or 3 games. I am as rabid a Husker fan as you can find. And guess what? I really just don’t give a **** anymore. My pride in the excellence of our football team is gone. Now all I feel is apathy and disgust.
My point? That if I have reached this level of indifference my hunch is so have thousands of other Husker fans.

Frost isn’t going anywhere. He will be our coach for at least a few more years. Too many millions to buy him out in an era of Covid budget crisis. So he needs to look in the mirror really hard and make the changes necessary to turn this around. Because if he doesn’t, our last remaining strength as a program - - fan support - - will be gone.

I think the late start made people realize it really DOESN'T MATTER. We went through August, September, and most of October with no football and life went on. I don't have cars and streams of fans walking by my house...and life went on. It is a bunch of amateur college kids playing a sport after all. It isn't sustainable and in most years we only play 3-4 really competitive games. Comparative to southern schools, NU invests a lot less into football. We have smaller recruiting budgets, smaller facility budgets, and we put more into other sports. And we do not cheat at the levels we used to...nowhere near. The moral degeneracy needed to be great in the 90s...is it necessary now? Yes. Are we willing to go down that path again? ___________.

 

[Redscarlet]

Pennsy gives a **** he just frustrated like everyone else..
I’m in the same boat I’ve seen the very best Husker teams from the Devaney and Osborn era’s and yesterday was so frustrating watching a team that makes stupid mistakes and the head coach calling head scratching calls in the red zone..

I’m giving the benefit of doubt that some of it is we didn’t have any spring football and this season is our time to fix what we need fixing for next year which will be the telling tale moving forward...

 

[Sodakred]

I see some of the posts in this thread have drifted back to the frequent Martinez v Luke. I think Pennsy is talking about a much larger issue than who plays QB the rest of the season.

 

[GBR_Atlanta]

That is why Frost needs to bench 2AM and move in another direction with McCaffery as the starter..

I agree Scarletred. We’ve given this program and team enough mulligans over the years, and if this is another one of those years then we need to roll with the QB that gives us the shot to win.

 

[The_Guy_Behind_The_Guy_Behind_The_Guy]

Sipple says that Frost needs to be concerned about growing fan apathy. I agree. I grew up in Lincoln. As a boy I sold coke in the stands. I started going to games with my dad in 1965. I have travelled to tons of away games. Was in Norman in 1971. And even though I have lived on the east coast since 1989 I have always flown back to Lincoln every Fall for 2 or 3 games. I am as rabid a Husker fan as you can find. And guess what? I really just don’t give a **** anymore. My pride in the excellence of our football team is gone. Now all I feel is apathy and disgust.
My point? That if I have reached this level of indifference my hunch is so have thousands of other Husker fans.

Frost isn’t going anywhere. He will be our coach for at least a few more years. Too many millions to buy him out in an era of Covid budget crisis. So he needs to look in the mirror really hard and make the changes necessary to turn this around. Because if he doesn’t, our last remaining strength as a program - - fan support - - will be gone.

You make great point! Seriously, after all of the losses since 1998 does it phase anyone any more? I’m not at apathy stage because as a long-time Husker fan I look forward to when they play.

But I’m so numb to the boneheaded losses now that I expect it to happen all the time.

During Big Games I expect us to fall on our faces in spectacular fashion where in the past we rose to the occasion.

For me it is not apathy yet but reality that we will probably lose each game. It is getting hard to be a fan and I see why many are apathetic.

 

[HuskerHackFraud]

he's a troll fan of another team.

No I'm not. I just hate bad coaching

 

[SWIowahawks_rivals44758]

It’s amazing how this board sounds just like an Iowa board. I used to do the whole throwing remotes, moping around, etc. Now, I just shake my head. Last week I went trick or treating with my daughter and purposely left my phone at home during the fourth quarter. I knew how it was gonna end.

 

[redli33]

You make great point! Seriously, after all of the losses since 1998 does it phase anyone any more? I’m not at apathy stage because as a long-time Husker fan I look forward to when they play.

But I’m so numb to the boneheaded losses now that I expect it to happen all the time.

During Big Games I expect us to fall on our faces in spectacular fashion where in the past we rose to the occasion.

For me it is not apathy yet but reality that we will probably lose each game. It is getting hard to be a fan and I see why many are apathetic.

Yep. I know the team is going to screw up, and if I know it I'm sure the team is acutely aware of it. It's probably a self-fulfilling prophecy at this point. This program has screwed up so frequently and so spectacularly, that it's just expected from the fans and the program itself.

 

[TraCHusker]

I agree with the early onset of apathy part of the original post.

However, I'm seeing significant improvements in talent and effort.

There have been a lot of coaches that ripped the lid off in Year 3.

I think ours will come in Year 4.

Go Big Red.

 

[NikkiSixx_rivals269993]

If you really didn’t give a **** anymore you wouldn’t be here all the time. .....

I don't know about you guys, but I rarely see Pennsy here anymore

 

[GBRforLife1]

If you really didn’t give a **** anymore you wouldn’t be here all the time. But I think we are about the same age and like you my enthusiasm is gone. Although I still care, I have gotten in the habit of recording games and watching them quickly later. Yesterday, I watched it live and obviously that was a three hour+ mistake.

When things started slipping under Solich twenty years ago - like the 7-7 season - I couldn’t imagine that lasting. Now, I can’t imagine anything better. Our players look slow, undisciplined and even disinterested in some cases. This isn’t new. It has been the same song for nearly twenty years. And yet a couple old timers like us who grew up with Devaney are still here every day hoping for change.

I kind of wish we no longer gave a ****, but we do. Just be glad you aren’t a fan under 30 who has no memory of all of those great Husker teams.

What is apathy and how does it work?

 

[The_Glove_Man_rivals300278]

I'll jump on this bandwagon. I used to go to as many games as I could, home and away. Now, most of the time, I just lament that I paid good money and wasted an entire weekend to go watch bad football. The sellout streak will end if this doesn't turn around fast, and I don't see it turning around fast. Frost has had an some unusual challenges to deal with as our head coach, and he has a long leash as a Husker Hero, but the plain facts are this: teams that don't win half their games and go bowling won't be able to recruit with the big boys and then it's all over, we're Minnesota.

 

[The_Guy_Behind_The_Guy_Behind_The_Guy]

Yep. I know the team is going to screw up, and if I know it I'm sure the team is acutely aware of it. It's probably a self-fulfilling prophecy at this point. This program has screwed up so frequently and so spectacularly, that it's just expected from the fans and the program itself.

Pride starts within. Change starts within. To be excellent, it starts within.

 

[NikkiSixx_rivals269993]

What is apathy and how does it work?

I don't care enough to explain it, sorry

 

[RedMyMind]

Frost's first recruit, Martinez, is failing.
Frost basically telling him it's over is something Frost needs to come to terms with.
Get Adrian involved in other ways.

 

[The_Guy_Behind_The_Guy_Behind_The_Guy]

It’s amazing how this board sounds just like an Iowa board. I used to do the whole throwing remotes, moping around, etc. Now, I just shake my head. Last week I went trick or treating with my daughter and purposely left my phone at home during the fourth quarter. I knew how it was gonna end.

RollingLaugh

Come on Man! Iowa has only had one (maybe two) good years since their program’s inception. Throwing remotes and moping around for that program...why?

 

[tpmcg_rivals137159]

Must admit, I read this and said “I didn’t know about the drug problems inside Memorial Stadium.”

we need blow in the stands, again. if were ever allowed back in.

 

[jlb321_rivals110621]

RollingLaugh

Come on Man! Iowa has only had one (maybe two) good years since their program’s inception. Throwing remotes and moping around for that program...why?

no Iowa fan ... but Ferentz has been at Iowa for around 20 years and finished in the top 10 5 times. Thats an average of a top 10 finish every 4 years

certainly not elite ... but wondering how many would sign up for that level of “success”‘right now if you could

 

[The_Guy_Behind_The_Guy_Behind_The_Guy]

no Iowa fan ... but Ferentz has been at Iowa for around 20 years and finished in the top 10 5 times. Thats an average of a top 10 finish every 4 years

certainly not elite ... but wondering how many would sign up for that level of “success”‘right now if you could

Okay I was exaggerating about Iowa’s level of success but even what you’ve stated doesn’t warrant destroying remotes and moping around on Sunday’s after a loss.

We have scaled Mount Everest multiple times and have been there during the fall. Big difference.

 

[z28craz]

Pennsy, so true. I found myself not even really caring that we had a game yesterday. it was a beautiful day here in Kansas City, my kids were out playing in the yard, Covid has cancelled so many sporting events that I kind of forgot football was being played. I finally turned on the game and when we couldn‘t get in the end zone 1st and goal from 2 yard line, I decided taking a nap was more interesting and more productive than watching us piss away another game. It’s sad, but it is true that over the past 5-10 years I have become more and more apathetic to Nebraska football.

 

[John_J_Rambo_rivals315142]

Gebbia 34-48 - 329 yds

1 TD, lost as 3point favorite

 

[jlb321_rivals110621]

1 TD, lost as 3point favorite

my Gebbia mention was not solely about Gebbia but rather more globally with regards to talented players leaving the program - perhaps it had more to do with the coach and staff being ineffective leaders

 

[Oiler402]

For those blaming no spring football, no one we play had spring football.

 

[Redscarlet]

For those blaming no spring football, no one we play had spring football.

Not all true some started and had some practice’s before the Corona virus shut every thing down..

 

[Headcard]

my Gebbia mention was not solely about Gebbia but rather more globally with regards to talented players leaving the program - perhaps it had more to do with the coach and staff being ineffective leaders

Or maybe, hear me out, he wasn’t named the starting QB and wanted to go where he could be. Crazy, I know.

 

[John_J_Rambo_rivals315142]

my Gebbia mention was not solely about Gebbia but rather more globally with regards to talented players leaving the program - perhaps it had more to do with the coach and staff being ineffective leaders

No talented players left. They’re all losers. Just like the ones who’ve stayed.

 

[CatColumbia]

I agree with the early onset of apathy part of the original post.

However, I'm seeing significant improvements in talent and effort.

There have been a lot of coaches that ripped the lid off in Year 3.

I think ours will come in Year 4.

Go Big Red.

Year 4 is a schedule full of teams that are more talented and better coached than us. What we need is 3 Bethune Cookman type of games to work out our inconsistencies.

 

[jlb321_rivals110621]

Or maybe, hear me out, he wasn’t named the starting QB and wanted to go where he could be. Crazy, I know.

or maybe since the competition was extremely close as everyone indicated, you commit to playing both early for an ongoing assessment before naming an every down starter going into conference play

Neb wins 6 games the first year with this strategy and is in a bowl game

 

[John_J_Rambo_rivals315142]

or maybe since the competition was extremely close as everyone indicated, you commit to playing both early for an ongoing assessment before naming an every down starter going into conference play

Neb wins 6 games the first year with this strategy and is in a bowl game

what makes you think a qb who's never won a game in his college career would've made any difference?

revisionist history at its finest. gebbia, like martinez and frost, is a LOSER

 

[Headcard]

Frost's first recruit, Martinez, is failing.
Frost basically telling him it's over is something Frost needs to come to terms with.
Get Adrian involved in other ways.

This was the first major decision Frost made (maybe second after picking a coaching staff) and it is becoming more clear that it was wrong. He thought it would be like it was at UCF where AM would take some lumps the first year and then take off. Obviously it hasn’t worked that way, but no reason to compound the problem and keep trotting him out there the next two years, if we have a better option.

 

[jlb321_rivals110621]

what makes you think a qb who's never won a game in his college career would've made any difference?

revisionist history at its finest. gebbia, like martinez and frost, is a LOSER

you may certainly be correct but going into the 2018 season when everyone was still all giddy

1. Any somewhat competent coach knows you might need a quality backup QB

2. By all reports the competition was extremely close based on practice

3. You have not seen either player in a live game which is the best measure for evaluating who ultimately is your best option

4. Maybe have a bit of self awareness and realize you are not gods gift to coaching and might be wrong in your initial assessment of the QB position particularly in light of #3 above

5. Realize that if you stretch the competition out another week or so the prospect of a transfer is no longer a threat

Now your other point may be correct - Frost may very well have found a way to lose no matter who the QB was

 

[Aksarben_rivals261824]

I am a booster and season ticket holder (for 29 years now), and I've had this conversation at home with my wife (who does not attend games) and with my son who now lives in central Nebraska and drives in to Lincoln to attend games with me. This season, even though COVID has caused it, is important to Nebraska football because now you have people who typically attend games in Lincoln sitting at home watching what has started out once again as mediocre (at best) Nebraska football season.

I said if this season is like any of the other past 15 seasons it will be the end of the sellout string and donations will shrink because now folks have time to see what other things they can do rather than blow a bunch of money and time (it's an all day project to attend a game in Lincoln) watching this product. It's getting pretty easy for me to just shut off the TV and take care of other things around the house, or just switch over to a more interesting game.

I rolled over my season ticket and donation payments to next season so I'm on the hook for next year but I can tell you not going to Lincoln seven times this fall will save me easily a few thousand dollars in donations, ticket money, concessions etc (I do not drink or visit bars), and I kind of like having that money in my wallet.

To add to this if things start up in a more normal fashion next season where we're allowed to attend games and they start lecturing on social/political issues that's the end I'm done because I'm not paying for that crap.

 

[OC INC_rivals87117]

It’s amazing how this board sounds just like an Iowa board. I used to do the whole throwing remotes, moping around, etc. Now, I just shake my head. Last week I went trick or treating with my daughter and purposely left my phone at home during the fourth quarter. I knew how it was gonna end.

There was NO Nebraska football game on Halloween! Get real.

 

[73 Red I]

That's downright scary Penny. At some point, even the hard-core NU fan base will give up if it continues to lose to everybody. I still think HCSF will get it turned around but it's really starting to sting. We'll see....

Mid way through Riley's last season, I talked with a substantial donor. He told me the Riley would be fired and Scott would be hired with a five year contract at $5 million per year. He continued and said that we needed "a Nebraska guy" and if this didn't work we were done. I don't believe that if Scott doesn't work out, that the program can't be saved. I believe if the right guy comes in with the right staff the program can be really good again. Unfortunately we put all of our eggs in one basket and then gave him an extension without no proof that he deserved one. I put that on Moos. He may be able to talk cattle, but good decisions are more than talk.

 

[ILuvethe90s]

Next year this team competes for a big ten west crown. No doubt about it.

 

[litespeedhuskerfan_rivals19671]

Apathy set in years ago for a lot of people...

 

[CatColumbia]

Frost's first recruit, Martinez, is failing.
Frost basically telling him it's over is something Frost needs to come to terms with.
Get Adrian involved in other ways.

Frost loved Adrian so much that he was willing to whiff on a future Heisman trophy winner, national champion, #1 overall pick and doing well in his first season in the NFL. If that doesn’t tell you how stubborn he is nothing will. Not everyone is like himself, who got deeply hurt and offended when London took over for a half back in ‘96. It’s way overdue to do what is right for the program, for Adrian and for his career. Make it right Frost before all wheels fall off.

 

[Redscarlet]

Mid way through Riley's last season, I talked with a substantial donor. He told me the Riley would be fired and Scott would be hired with a five year contract at $5 million per year. He continued and said that we needed "a Nebraska guy" and if this didn't work we were done. I don't believe that if Scott doesn't work out, that the program can't be saved. I believe if the right guy comes in with the right staff the program can be really good again. Unfortunately we put all of our eggs in one basket and then gave him an extension without no proof that he deserved one. I put that on Moos. He may be able to talk cattle, but good decisions are more than talk.

Moos won’t have to worry about giving a extension after this football season even if we would we win the next 5 or 6 games..

 

[schuele]

Moos won’t have to worry about giving a extension after this football season even if we would we win the next 5 or 6 games..

Unless some blogger suggests Frost might be on the hot seat. Then Moos MUST write another huge check!