Damn right. Trump beat COVID. All it took was a glassful of cocksure optimism! Well, that and a ride in Marine 1, 10 doctors and a stay at Walter Reed hospital. And the steroids and drugs, I suppose.
Saban has the Rona
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and so are Sweden’s. Sweden’s economy actually fared worse than it’s neighbors in Q2 as well.
https://www.businessinsider.com/coronavirus-sweden-gdp-falls-8pc-in-q2-worse-nordic-neighbors-2020-8
The data is quite clear. Sweden’s strategy was misguided.
but then you have to count all of the deaths worldwide that would be unaccounted for. The eventual realized IFR will of course be dependent on demographic factors of those infected and whether our healthcare capacity gets strained once again this winter (among other things), but it is quite clear This whole “it’s basically just the flu reasoning is both wrong and dangerous and makes it all the more difficult for the most powerful country in the world to initiate the sort of COVID response that it is absolutely capable of and the it’s citizens deserve.
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Here’s an interesting overview of why to take Ioannidis’s study with a grain of salt.
Health care capacity has never been strained.
I don't know what "COVID response" you want, but aside from one answer I can guarantee it is wrong.
It doesn't matter what steps you take it all ends up the same. What does matter is how many people's lives you ruin economically and otherwise.
And it may quite literally be the flu:
Look around you. The media has scared and misled you. Sorry you fell for it.
A virus so deadly, they have to pay to get tested for it.
You know what SHOULD be WAY scarier than any virus to both progressives and conservatives? Social media "deciding" what it wants their users to see. It's a slippery slope when you start censoring what amounts to the new news outlets of any country. Under 30s don't listen to radio news or watch TV news. They get virtually all of their news from social media. There's a reason China severely limits Facebook and Twitter and started their own company Tik Tok. Make no mistake, China controls that platform.
And when these disillusioned youth don't get the results they want and their beliefs aren't accepted en mass, they tend to lash out, often in physical violence.
Hours and hours of expectations being poured into their minds and little change causes mass frustration and more of what we've seen in recent years.
Berenson is a journalist. I don’t get why the let it rip crowd holds him up as some form of expert.
Again, Sweden got the worst of both worlds due to their response. They saw greater economic retraction and a greater loss of life. Why would anyone suggest that is the best path forward?
And no, it’s not just the flu. The death toll alone is clear proof of that.
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Who has said he's an expert?
I don't get your constant appeal to authority.
Sweden appears to be done with the virus, as of now. Who wouldn't want that?
Then we could dispense with all the bogus public health crap that isn't doing a damn thing.
everyone would want that. But there’s one problem with what you just posted. It is categorically false. Cases in Sweden are trending back up and they are still performing worse than their neighbors. For instance on October 14th and 15th Sweden had nearly four times the Covid cases per capita when compared to Norway.
It’s facts that appeal to me, not authority.
If you were honest and interested in facts you'd be asking why Sweden is doing so much better than Belguim. Next you'll be wondering why Nebraska doesn't have as much tourism as Florida or Texas from January to March. And then you'll scream "per capita." As if that makes everything equal. And then you'll claim cases equal positives tests without mentioning how many tests each country is doing.
Your approach is the same as saying you'd want NY to be more like Florida in April.
Sweden's economy is much more dependent on tourism than the much smaller Norway. Of course they'd take a slightly bigger hit to GDP as Europe locked themselves down and less people visited.
If deaths per capita is really your concern, then you'd want the US to be like Sweden.
All that has been done by lock downs and closures is push infections off to a later date while destroying businesses and the health of people in other ways. Apparently you're fine with that.
So saban had a false positive. He tested positive then was retested in 3 consecutive days. So a regular person that test positve.... Do they get tested after repeatedly to confirm it wasnt a false positive?
I get it and I'm not complaining about it. Just would like to know the numbers of false positives nationally. Certain groups want to shut everything down based on skewed numbers.
Honest? So I’m dishonest now? I just provided you data. I used a Scandinavian neighbor which of course is a logical thing to do. You clearly believe (despite data clearly suggesting otherwise) that herd immunity is the best path forward. Since the facts don’t agree with you, you instead turn to falsehoods and exaggerations to attempt to bolster your losing argument.
Here’s another example:
“Sweden's economy is much more dependent on tourism than the much smaller Norway.”
In 2018 travel and tourism was responsible for 9.4% of Sweden’s GDP and 9% of Norway’s GDP.
So it looks like you need another justification for Sweden’s misguided Coronavirus response.
So you don't think $12.8 billion is very much? In those small countries? That's the difference of the .4% in those countries. Yes, you're totally dishonest.
Also from 2003 - 2012 Norway was never above 8% so the 9% they were at is within a half % of their highest in the last 18 years. So yes, you're dishonest.
Supposedly the tests are overly sensitive and false positives and identification of non-infectious viral material is common. In the US they're amplifying the tests 40 cycles which makes them nearly useless. Other countries are in the 30s.
You'd think they'd be open and honest with this and it'd be standardized. Obviously the 210,000 dead gets questioned too. It's harder to scare people without a lot of cases and deaths.
My wifes mom said "if I can't see my grandkids what is the point of living." I think a lot of people around here share the same sentiment.
If you really believe that Sweden being negligibly more reliant on tourism is justification of their tragically misguided Covid response then more power to you. You’re wrong of course, but I’m sure you used to that by now.
Sweden butchered their Covid response. That opinion is a consensus among all public health experts but surely you know better.
More appeal to authority. At least you're consistent. The one thing that's been constant is incorrect consensus "among all public health experts
1) I’m not an expert on public health ergo I rely on the advice and analysis of experts in order to make decisions as to how to best protect my family and staff. What is wrong with trusting experts? Do you really think you know better than all of the brilliant scientists with advanced degrees that disagree with you?
2) I think we are going through a scary time in this country in which many people are anti-data, anti-science and prone to believe conspiracy theories. I’ve never seen the county go through something like this before. I hope it is simply a phase that will pass soon.
My spouse who is a Mayo trained board certified physician says that the testing now is almost useless. THAT is one of the reasons that the CDC quit recommending testing for asymptomatic people. IF you're symptomatic with the usual symptoms AND you have a positive test that's probably significant. If you're not symptomatic and you have a positive test, it's very possible that you may not either have it or be shedding virus. This thing is going to have to run it's course until we have a vaccine.
Interestingly my son was just in Atlanta and spoke with people who know families of CDC employees. Guess what. Family members of CDC employees aren't wearing masks. The quote was "this is not a big deal."
Even within the CDC there is not a consensus on the best path for this. Fauci who is a career bureaucrat is pushing the agenda. The leaders of the CDC developed their idea of how to handle it and the rank and file had to fall in line or were forced out of the agency. One guy was forced to retire because he called Fauci "the mask Nazi" on social media. Masks as worn by 99% of Americans are doing very little. The ones coaches are wearing on the sidelines are a joke. I could see right through a couple of the NFL coach's masks yesterday.
This has become more about maintaining a politically correct vision than it is about preventing disease. Booth announcers get caught with their masks down then quickly put them up when somebody alerts them that they're on camera. Players aren't wearing them so why the hell does it matter if coaches do? Don't get me wrong. I wear a mask when in stores and I try to keep my distance from people. Likewise I believe others with health issues should do the same. I just don't think think masks are going to solve this problem though and many scientists agree with that sentiment. At some point if the statistics of less than 60% of people will take a vaccine are true, we have to realize that this is just going to have to burn through our population. We can't keep businesses shut down indefinitiely.
1) More appeal to authority. Do you ever make a decision for yourself? What's wrong with trusting experts? Are you freaking kidding? 15 days to flatten the curve going on day 210+ is what's wrong. 2 million Americans are going to die, from the same "expert"
Ferguson was behind the disputed research that sparked the mass culling of eleven million sheep and cattle during the 2001 outbreak of foot-and-mouth disease. He also predicted that up to 150,000 people could die. There were fewer than 200 deaths. . . .
In 2002, Ferguson predicted that up to 50,000 people would likely die from exposure to BSE (mad cow disease) in beef. In the U.K., there were only 177 deaths from BSE.
In 2005, Ferguson predicted that up to 150 million people could be killed from bird flu. In the end, only 282 people died worldwide from the disease between 2003 and 2009.
In 2009, a government estimate, based on Ferguson’s advice, said a “reasonable worst-case scenario” was that the swine flu would lead to 65,000 British deaths. In the end, swine flu killed 457 people in the U.K."
The "experts" haven't been right once. But you listen to them because you're scared. Even though you've never done anything like you're doing now for as long as you've been alive.
2) I get that you're scared. It's unfortunate but not expected for people like you. You're stuck in a cycle. You're scared by the news media who are a bunch of retarded morons just parroting and sensationalizing everything no matter how idiotic. So you go looking to "experts" who are enjoying their moment in the spotlight. Which feeds the cycle again.
You see the country go through the flu ever single year. Msnbc just doesn't have a talley running and scream about cases and how the orange man is bad and it's all his fault. And you don't have entire political parties conspire to make it look as bad as possible to do as much harm as possible. And we've never counted deaths like they are now, but you let that scare you too. But yeah, the problem is me and how I could possibly think I'm better than someone with advanced degrees
... and there you go again with the false equivalency. Just yesterday Dr. Paul Casey, the managing director of the ER at Bellin hospital in Wisconsin said just yesterday that they are currently admitting more patients with Covid to the ER per day then they typically would for an entire flu season. THIS IS NOT THE FLU. Try not to be so ignorant and so prideful of your ignorance. Listen to those with greater expertise. You might just learn something.
When it comes to the pandemic you are the quintessential example of the Dunning-Kruger effect.