my guess would be he's talking about cutting other sports and laying off a bunch of staff. I'm just befuddled why this decision seems to be sidestepping the players. It seems pretty clear to me that the vast majority of players are willing to assume the risk in order to play. MLB is playing and the risk to those umps, managers and players some of whom are in their 40s is much greater than a 18-25 year old athlete.
Scott Frost Presser
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To be fair, I don't recall if Frost ever got back the shoes he had stolen back in 2018. So if he smashed into Scheels, what can ya do?
I agree with Frost but the ***** not going to work and not worth it in the long run. The U.S government dropped the ****** ball on this covid **** and we're losing everything because of it. Time for more adjustments and we'll try again next season. Spring is stupid and won't work so let's focus on healing the country.
Great post. The chance to save this mess left in about April...
Looks awfully familiar.
There is probably going to be a spike in cases in myraid surrounding states 4 weeks from now and I'm sure everyone will once again be tearing their hair out trying to determine what might have possibly caused it.
The problem Mask Dorks have is they play in the definitive. By their own apocalyptic math, every non mask wearer should be dead by now. Pretty clear what is hype and what is truth...the World is guaranteed to end in 12 years so let's play ball!
The sad part of this press conference is that it was all about the virus and whether there would or would not be a season. Nothing about any specific players whether it's injuries or how practices are going like in years past. We didn't even get a mention that the whole roster should have been in camp this year, not just the normal limit to 105. Not one question about any of that. 
I'm to the point where I don't really care about the statistics or promises of a cure or vaccine. The people that are scared to death of this can do their thing and I'll do mine. You want to social distance, wear a mask, whatever thats fine. I'm gonna do my thing and everybody should do their thing. If the players and coaches want to play, they know the risks so let them do their thing. If people want to go fill the stadium, let them. None of it is my business and nobody should tell them how to live their life.
People started going out in mass without masks since Memorial Day weekend, long before any protest.
It means if there’s no college football this season, college football as we know it will cease to exist.
A sentiment I, and at least some others here, share.
You aren't a "the protesters didn't spread it" guy are you?
If eating at Applebee's spread it...so did marching in the streets and starting an autonomous sovereign nation inside of Seattle.
No I’m not a ‘protesters didn’t spread it’ guy
I’m also not a ‘the spike is all caused by the protestors even though for every one protester there had to be at least 1000 people socializing without masks but I’ll never mention them as a factor’ guy either.
And I’m not a ‘we’re all following the rules until we for the first time ever realized the media was full of BS so we quit following common sense guidelines’ guy either.
I’m just a dude who realizes the obvious:
Numbers get better, things open up.
Numbers get worse, things close back down.
People can argue this and that and link whatever they want but it doesn’t change the bottom line. I doubt there’s anyone who wants this over more than me. But to get there requires a little personal responsibility.
People who advocate opening things up without masks and responsible social distancing should accept their responsibility for this fiasco instead of finding a small subgroup to throw under the bus. But personal accountability is only good for other people I guess.
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How is this post even allowed? Pure and pointless hate speech about people your tiny mind will never understand. Let’s get back to football or go crawl into your bubble, boy and stfu. I miss the days when more things had to be said to people’s face because those people would whoop your little keyboard warrior *** WHILE minding their own business.
No. Selfish Americans did this.
The govt told us what we needed to do and people said gfy...mainly young people
They whoop *** because they cannot have a constructive argument due to their low IQ.
I should add that this is sort of a joke, but talking about kicking people’s *** is a really manly thing to do.
I was going to say, what a solid argument from you there, but nice edit... I guess Iroh talking about a group of people having a low IQ was indeed manly enough for you not to comment on though. Good stuff.
the coaches should put their salaries at risk to cover any potential legal fees, settlements, increase costs of insurance, cost of medical care, testing, etc, etc that the university's might incur to show how strongly they feel about this
Actually, he’s not really right either. Would it surprise you to know that a large percentage of bikers who attend Sturgis are lawyers, doctors, and other professionals who just like to ride? One example that I recall from when I lived in Rapid City, SD for a year was when a group of bikers harassed an attendee who came on a Honda motorcycle. They eventually set fire to his motorcycle because it was a wimpy bike, but then turned around and bought him a brand new Harley instead. They were a bunch of professionals who had money to burn.
But keep on with your stereotyping.
I know many lawyers, doctors, etc that usually go there. I mean more the act this year is dumb all things considered right now. I don’t expect people to give up their lives, but a quarter million in a small town?
I am actually excited to see the result. If nothing comes of it, I think the country needs to move on.
By not playing, the coaches, administrators, trainers, and the bulk of the entire athletic departments' salaries are at risk.
if it is safe to play .. as it might be ... then they shouldn't have any problem putting their salaries on the line if it isnt the case
that way no one can say they are making decisions solely based on finances rather than the safety and well being of the players
I think that is the major sticking point. Liability. It was something that they wanted in the corona relief bill, but I guess politicians are fighting about that too.
If a school offers a waiver to sign, it's better than nothing, but I don't see how the schools wouldn't be open to potential lawsuits either way. Like Scott explained, the students are likely safer in a structured and monitored environment where health care is present.
The players don't have to sign a waiver and they're easily dismissed in court anyhow.
However, by providing athletes with educational information regarding the virus, testing each player at a frequency that should minimize transmission if there is a positive test, tracking the testing data (it looks really good if the team's frequency of positives is below the local curve, fyi) and how positive cases recover over the entire available time line, enforcing mandatory prevention protocols, basing all guidelines on the latest information, and (the real key) allowing every athlete an inconsequential option to excuse oneself prior to competing and at any time thereafter, every athlete who chooses to play is essentially already signing a waiver.
However, by providing athletes with educational information regarding the virus, testing each player at a frequency that should minimize transmission if there is a positive test, tracking the testing data (it looks really good if the team's frequency of positives is below the local curve, fyi) and how positive cases recover over the entire available time line, enforcing mandatory prevention protocols, basing all guidelines on the latest information, and (the real key) allowing every athlete an inconsequential option to excuse oneself prior to competing and at any time thereafter, every athlete who chooses to play is essentially already signing a waiver.
Coach Frost has already committed to donating a portion of his salary to reduce impact of COVID on the athletic dept:
https://collegefootballtalk.nbcspor...st-donate-salary-back-to-athletic-department/
No its not. These are all good things to put yourself in position to have the best outcomes possible and not get sued.
But fundamentally, if the oversight layer deems "no medically safe path forward" and you go forward anyway...its open season there.
Now, Nebraska doctors/training staff might be fine with it, but that's at the local level, again they'd be shunning the oversight they committed to when they joined the B1G that'd be a liability issue.
There's no amount of cool pamphlets you can hand out in North Stadium to get around that.
Aware ... making a donation is a lot different than being on the hook for the kind of liability issues than are in play for university presidents
for all the we want to play movements - many those same parents will lawyer up in a heart beat if things go sideways or even if things don’t go sideways but enough of a case can be made for negligence
these conferences should make the findings of their medical task forces public
If Nebraska's doctors are fine with it and fill in the blanks school doctors are fine with it and three other Power 5 conferences have oversight committees that are fine with it and every other doctor can't speak with certainty because of the novel nature of the virus, there's very little the B1G's oversight committee can do if Nebraska chooses to play outside of the conference.
Nebraska would be accepting the liability associated with playing, but they've established a pattern of care and prevention and there's no precedent set for athletes dying due to competing during this pandemic despite several professional sports being played during the time.
What exactly are you building your case on that you can prove, not hypothesize, when each team has been testing for months, and I'd conjecture to say they're seeing fewer positive results than the communities they live in despite administering more tests per capita, with no deaths or hospitalizations?
There is no case that can be made in a court of law today that stands a chance should any university choose to challenge the notion that it's unsafe to play. None.
I'm sure in that scenario $5M would more than cover it
since you're a medical professional, is putting your salary on the line in the case a mistake is made common practice? I mean, I assume you're confident enough in your abilities. just curious.
I agree with making findings public.
We don't belong to three other Power 5 conferences.
Edit: My mistake on Smith's heart surgery situation.
I agree, chances for players are really low. But we're aren't going to make a bunch of legal hay pointing at decisions made in Texas and Georgia and South Carolina if things go south.
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Which is why they're considering playing elsewhere and have a great case for utilizing a force majeure clause given the numerous common sense bullet points I've listed...much less what's going on behind the scenes from the guys who work for the university and every third-year JD student who attends a B1G university and will be notified as soon as classes start that their options for their dissertations will be centered on liability mitigation, force majeure clauses, and contractual exclusionary clauses.