SIAP....Have Scott or Fred made a statement...

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Lincoln100

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Are you? Keep fighting it.

I'm still wondering, how is that we are so certain that this man was killed because of his race? Were comments made by the cop? Is there a history of his racism? Is it possible this cop is just a pos to people, no matter their color? Should Frost, or any other extremely public figure, take the position that it was racism just because of the race of the victim and perp? In fact, he suggests more than one recent deaths as a result of racism. Anyone else know what that could mean? Isn't it completely and totally unacceptable for someone as influential as him to suggest a killing by a cop was done due to race, if it isn't clear that it was the/a reason?
 

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I'm still wondering, how is that we are so certain that this man was killed because of his race? Were comments made by the cop? Is there a history of his racism? Is it possible this cop is just a pos to people, no matter their color? Should Frost, or any other extremely public figure, take the position that it was racism just because of the race of the victim and perp? In fact, he suggests more than one recent deaths as a result of racism. Anyone else know what that could mean? Isn't it completely and totally unacceptable for someone as influential as him to suggest a killing by a cop was done due to race, if it isn't clear that it was the/a reason?
Everyone just assumes racism. Projection?
 

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I'm still wondering, how is that we are so certain that this man was killed because of his race? Were comments made by the cop? Is there a history of his racism? Is it possible this cop is just a pos to people, no matter their color? Should Frost, or any other extremely public figure, take the position that it was racism just because of the race of the victim and perp? In fact, he suggests more than one recent deaths as a result of racism. Anyone else know what that could mean? Isn't it completely and totally unacceptable for someone as influential as him to suggest a killing by a cop was done due to race, if it isn't clear that it was the/a reason?
I’m very hesitant to touch this one but I’m going to just dabble in this a little... I will start by saying I have not watched the video as I just can’t bring myself to watch a video of a man taking his last breath begging for his mother, and telling them he couldn’t breath... what I will say is regardless of if this was race driven or not, that is what this has turned into. As was debated before minorities do have certain disadvantages in life, if you have any close friends who are minorities especially a black friend sit down and ask him those questions of what every day life is for him. Talking with many minorities and honestly listening you’ll find out that just by having a certain skin color they have to go through life with certain precautions and worries that a white person does t have to. They get eye balled for jogging in certain neighborhoods and get trailed through stores to assume one way or the other on this case is just wrong... But to me the question That should be asked is, why could that officer not have taken his knee off of his neck and kneeled some where else to immobilize him? This guy had said he couldn’t breath, yet the officer showed no humanity...
 

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Whose blaming peaceful protesters and BLM for the destruction? And I have seen a lot of video of looting and clashes with police, and most of them don't look like what you might imagine a white supremist to look like.
 

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I’m very hesitant to touch this one but I’m going to just dabble in this a little... I will start by saying I have not watched the video as I just can’t bring myself to watch a video of a man taking his last breath begging for his mother, and telling them he couldn’t breath... what I will say is regardless of if this was race driven or not, that is what this has turned into. As was debated before minorities do have certain disadvantages in life, if you have any close friends who are minorities especially a black friend sit down and ask him those questions of what every day life is for him. Talking with many minorities and honestly listening you’ll find out that just by having a certain skin color they have to go through life with certain precautions and worries that a white person does t have to. They get eye balled for jogging in certain neighborhoods and get trailed through stores to assume one way or the other on this case is just wrong... But to me the question That should be asked is, why could that officer not have taken his knee off of his neck and kneeled some where else to immobilize him? This guy had said he couldn’t breath, yet the officer showed no humanity...
The question is

"why do certain colored people cause ones to use caution?"

The Asian population doesn't really elicit a similar response. And they were put in camps at one point.

I think it mostly comes down to how ones present themselves, regardless of color. That is what people read.
 

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I’m very hesitant to touch this one but I’m going to just dabble in this a little... I will start by saying I have not watched the video as I just can’t bring myself to watch a video of a man taking his last breath begging for his mother, and telling them he couldn’t breath... what I will say is regardless of if this was race driven or not, that is what this has turned into. As was debated before minorities do have certain disadvantages in life, if you have any close friends who are minorities especially a black friend sit down and ask him those questions of what every day life is for him. Talking with many minorities and honestly listening you’ll find out that just by having a certain skin color they have to go through life with certain precautions and worries that a white person does t have to. They get eye balled for jogging in certain neighborhoods and get trailed through stores to assume one way or the other on this case is just wrong... But to me the question That should be asked is, why could that officer not have taken his knee off of his neck and kneeled some where else to immobilize him? This guy had said he couldn’t breath, yet the officer showed no humanity...

So, because "this is what it has turned into," we should just go with it? Let the narrative continue even if it false and resulting in death and mass destruction? Don't question anybody because you feel guilty for being white? Good gravy.
 
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See you are worried about #6, why not spend a similar or more amount of time on dealing with #3?

I love the "will be killed by police during their lives" Shouldn't the sentence end with will be killed by police?

When you provide only portions of the data it doesn't really help the argument. To me it just raises more questions, such as, how many encounters with the police does the average black boy/man have as opposed to encounters with police that the average white, asian or hispanic boy/ man have. When you have that number, then you can look at the number of deaths per encounter.

With that number, whatever it is, and the research why are those numbers the way they are. What is the cause?

Then lets look at the number of black boys/ men killed by black cops. I think that would be an important data point. Especially when we are talking about race relations and the inference that all of these black men are killed by "Aryan nation" white cops. Maybe the number is small? Who knows? But until that information is available it is just a guess. We make that assumption because of the information provided to us by the media. Like I said, lots of stuff to look in to. Lots of data points that go unresearched at best or unreported at worst.
The end result is a disproportionately higher rate of death of black men and other BIPOC at the hands of police compared to white people. How on Earth does expressing deaths per encounter in any way rectify that fact? There are more encounters due to a combination of unintentional racial biases, racial profiling, and even government sponsored policies like stop and frisk. If the deaths per encounter is equal to or less than that of whites does that all of a sudden mean that the statistically significant higher number of deaths among BIPOC at the hands of police really isn't a problem?
 
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Clemke32

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So, because "this is what it has turned into," we should just go with it? Let the narrative continue even if it false and resulting in death and mass destruction? Don't question anybody because you feel guilty for being white? Good gravy.
or you can read into and come up with your own conclusions, kinda like you just did with my response.. see how easy that is? No where in my response did I say you need to go with it I just said that’s what it turned into
 

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The question is

"why do certain colored people cause ones to use caution?"

The Asian population doesn't really elicit a similar response. And they were put in camps at one point.

I think it mostly comes down to how ones present themselves, regardless of color. That is what people read.
I think that’s a great question and also a great observation. I don’t have an answer to that question, now I could make some assumptions... what I can say is that race or color of skin doesn’t illicit those kind of suspicions to me, shady behavior/ mannerisms does... my initial assumption of why race or color would create those thoughts is due to 100s of years of history creating an ignorance within people, it’s mannerisms and behaviors passed down from generation to generation without any real knowledge or attempt of learning and accepting... but again I again have no real answers and can only provide assumptions... but for you to suggest a black man jogging in a neighborhood (Trevon Martin) is a form soliciting Suspicion, would be adding to that problem... I’m not here to start any problems just trying to join in the debate and the question you ask is a valid question that should be asked to get people thinking
 

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or you can read into and come up with your own conclusions, kinda like you just did with my response.. see how easy that is? No where in my response did I say you need to go with it I just said that’s what it turned into

"regardless of if this is race driven or not . . ." and then you proceed to tell me about how much harder black people have it than white people. Sure sounds like you were suggesting that we just go with it because of the relative inequality. Is that not what you were saying? Please explain.
 

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Whose blaming peaceful protesters and BLM for the destruction? And I have seen a lot of video of looting and clashes with police, and most of them don't look like what you might imagine a white supremist to look like.
The black men and women whom were caught, (willingly I may add), by WOWT6 live crews - ripping all of Harney apart didn't look like white supremacists to me!!!
 

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.... about the horribleness of violence by police against black young men? If not,
WHY not?? 70-80% of their teams are young men of color who need a white voice standing for them.... they may be in some cases, a father figure...
Just me venting... why NOT be the strongest leader???

Sick
This type of virtue signaling should make any rational person nauseous, and honestly it's why the human race will never achieve its potential. Evil will always present itself as virtue. And weak minds and those without critical-thinking skills will always fall for it.
 

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"regardless of if this is race driven or not . . ." and then you proceed to tell me about how much harder black people have it than white people. Sure sounds like you were suggesting that we just go with it because of the relative inequality. Is that not what you were saying? Please explain.
You make me laugh. What I will say is I said minorities, especially black people yes... but how much harder they have life is not my story to tell, yes I relayed some facts that have been stated to me, and it’s not designed to insinuate that minorities or black people have a much harder life then white people... each race/ color/ ethnicity has their own struggles in their own right...
you being obviously defensive and twisting this to fit your prerogative is the very reason I was hesitant to get Into that with you, I could see you getting defensive... my point is this And I’ll make it simple I have no clue if this was race driven or not but to outright deny that there is a lack of Equality is the reason why we are in this kind of situation and having these debates
 

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I fully recognize that minorities have a lot of disadvantages, and I recognize that no matter what minorities are constantly fighting any uphill battle, and I whole heartedly hate that.
White people are projected to become the minority in the coming years. When it happens, will you still cling to your misguided ideals? I honestly believe that if you apply yourself and try, you will succeed.

I will say though I think you and I see things similarly, the only difference for me is i don't say black lives matter, not because they don’t, because they absolutely do, but because that movement has openly called for riots, and looting, and violence, especially in the past... so for that reason I don't use the phrase black lives matter, but instead choose to say all lives matter, that’s not to insinuate that others don’t think all lives matter.
Good on you. All lives do matter.

Talking with many minorities and honestly listening you’ll find out that just by having a certain skin color they have to go through life with certain precautions and worries that a white person does t have to. hey get eye balled for jogging in certain neighborhoods
So, you mean to tell me that I'm completely safe if I choose to ride my bike through parts of North Omaha at night as a white man?! T-Town in Lincoln?!? Wow, talk about naive.
 

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You make me laugh. What I will say is I said minorities, especially black people yes... but how much harder they have life is not my story to tell, yes I relayed some facts that have been stated to me, and it’s not designed to insinuate that minorities or black people have a much harder life then white people... each race/ color/ ethnicity has their own struggles in their own right...
you being obviously defensive and twisting this to fit your prerogative is the very reason I was hesitant to get Into that with you, I could see you getting defensive... my point is this And I’ll make it simple I have no clue if this was race driven or not but to outright deny that there is a lack of Equality is the reason why we are in this kind of situation and having these debates
What’s funny? My agenda is what is real, not what you feel guilty about or what the media or the mob want us to think.

I’ll ask again, without knowing that this was a racist attack on this man, how in the world can it be considered acceptable and appropriate for Frost to make such an inflammatory accusation. It makes cops look bad, and could only incite more violence and distrust of cops.
 
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