For all of you stars don't matter type people:
26 of the 32 first rounders were four or five stars coming out of high school.
26 of the 32 first rounders were four or five stars coming out of high school.
Stars don't matter - NFL Draft
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One had no stars and was ranked the 56th best wide receiver in Louisiana. Not sure how he ended up at LSU
He ended up at LSU because stars do not matter lol. Constantly amazed that people continue to bring this up as if Rivals and 24/7 opinion on high school talent has anything to do with winning football games.
Do you work for Rivals? Stars do not matter. Recruiting matters, but magical stars do not.
actually it does. There’s a reason why the top teams these days are the same teams that always recruit top 10 in the country regularly. Sure there is always that magical team that does great with low three star players but you never see those teams winning any playoff games or National Titles.
The top talent coming out of high school is not hard to spot. You are giving the recruiting services WAY too much credit. If you saw Kobe or Lebron in high school would it be hard for you to "properly rate" them? Any correlation between winning football games and stars is extremely loose. There may be a correlation at the very top, but it's not hard for Rivals to bump every guy Alabama/Clemson/Ohio St. offers when they are consistently winning.
hey, the statement wasn’t how easy is it for Rivals, 24/7 and ESPN to rank players...the man said Star ranking matter for winning titles, first round draft picks and stuff like that. I agree to a point, it’s not that hard to spot talent. And yes, if you’re just wanting to win some games and never win it big, you are right.
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To understand how the stars game can be manipulated and give you a deceptive picture of a football team, just look no further than Nebraska itself over the past 5 years.
The most important thing to take away though: Rivals and 24/7 are BUSINESSES. Their objective is to make money. From there you can shake out the rest.
The most important thing to take away though: Rivals and 24/7 are BUSINESSES. Their objective is to make money. From there you can shake out the rest.
hey that’s a little different. For one we had 2 different head coaches in that same 5 year span and one of them was a horrible head coach. Now take into count how many of those high 3 star and 4 star players transfers out...all that doesn’t play into the team rankings. So the Nebraska example over the past 5 years is a horrible example...it really is. Not to mention, before Frost we where only hitting Top 30 to Top 25 in recruiting. Only Frost has been hitting us in the Top 15-18 ranges.
in all honesty, recruiting and coaching goes hand in hand. You need to be able to do both at a high level. That’s if you want to compete for conference titles in the BIG 10, SEC, Big 12 and PAC 12.
This data is not fully accurate. We had Suh and Prince but we weren’t in the B10 when they were drafted. Nevertheless, this chart reflects our on-field performance. Stars do matter!
exactly. If you want to compete for conference titles, runs at the playoffs and National Titles...then you have to recruit at a high level along with good coaching. You have to have both...end of story.
So what were Iowa and Wisconsin's team rankings compared to Nebraska's the past 10 years? Did the stars matter?
Ahh, yes. No mention of stars. You are exactly correct. You have to recruit at a high level and have good coaching. No magical, mythical stars needed.
I get where you are coming from. But how did they fare against legit competition? And they still kicked our teeth to the ground.
Recruiting rankings are a self-fulfilling prophecy. Recruits tend to get rated higher when they get offers from programs that put a lot of players in the NFL (Alabama, Ohio State, Clemson). The coaches at these programs have proven they are good evaluators of talent and good at developing them for the NFL.
I mean, I could watch zero film of recruits and just rank them based on who has offered them, and then claim I'm a genius after they go to the best programs and get drafted high.
I mean, I could watch zero film of recruits and just rank them based on who has offered them, and then claim I'm a genius after they go to the best programs and get drafted high.
again, dead on. That’s why I said if you want to compete for conference titles and National Championships. Now if you just want to win games your supposed to win and lose the big games like Iowa and Wisconsin...then stars don’t matter.
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There...dude fixed it because Husker fans where pointing out that we did have a few 1st rounders in that time frame.
I was reading the beginning and I was thinking, Who in the world says stars don't matter? Then...
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Generally, Bucky and Herky's recruiting rankings are somewhere between 30 and 45, with them usually being close to each other in the overall rankings. 2020 Bucky 247's rankings had Bucky at 25 and Herky at 35.
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The big dogs of college football; Alabama, Texas, Ohio state have used all of their influence to make sure that stars matter more than ever. The limits on prop 48, jucos, time with players, number of coaches, walk-ons, meeting time, field time, satellite camps have all hurt teams from less saturated areas for talent. Stars mattered much less 20 years ago because you could load your team with kids and inevitably a couple would rise to the top...it came down to how much do you care to invest not a roll of a dice to see if you can get the most top 250 players...
Recruiting services like Rivals and Scout exist for convenience. Who cares if 5 star players like Trevor Lawrence are easy for Rivals and 24/7 to judge! The programs landing the 4 and 5 stars are the programs competing for National Titles every year.
Since the playoffs have been around, numbers are overwhelmingly in favor of stars making a huge difference.
And what has Iowa won? Don’t you think they might win more with more talented players? It’s not an either or on player development and recruiting, you have to have both.
there are some who watched LeBron play in high school and still rated Lenny Cooke above him and Carmelo Anthony in the summer of 2001. Rating recruits is a crazy biz.
They'd also win more with better coaching. Sure they play fundamentally sound, but Iowa's lethargic offense hasn't been doing them any favors.
I recommend watching the Lenny Cooke doc. It goes over how he went from the #1 High School player to not. Also the first appearance of L James in the circuit.
All the facts seem to point to “Stars” matter. I don’t think there’s any evidence proving it different.
Schools start recruiting players well before they are even assigned stars so how can stars matter? What matters is recruiting the best players in the country, the stars those players are assigned after the fact is irrelavant.
Fact is NU recruits the most stars of any B1G West team. How's that working out for us? Facts are we suck right now.
tuition is now free for kids from families making 60k/year or less
what's a scholarship worth, again? lol
what's a scholarship worth, again? lol
We have this argument every year. Apparently, our four star players are not of the same ilk because I see our four star players on the draft highlights getting their *** handed to them or chasing behind somebody on their way to another score.
Yes, youre right.
But my problem with people on this board who dismiss the Iowa and Wisconsin success (which the latter is quite impressive the last 10 years) is that they dont understand this cant be all or nothing.
For example, husker fans seem to think we are going to just go from where we currently are to NC contention. We arent.
Before we get there, we will first have seasons of Iowa and then Wisconsin success. Theres no reason at the moment to NOT look to Iowa in these discussions as they are clearly better than us right now and their level is above us on the ladder to NC.
Just because we look at Iowa and Wisconsin as steps we’d like to reach on the ladder doesn't mean we plan on stopping there on the way to the roof.
It is not wrong to wonder why we cannot get Iowa results with better-than-Iowa recruiting. It doesnt mean its our final goal.