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A lot of scholarships are for tuition only. So making the cost of tuition free does little to help students who also need to pay for room and board.
Which is why I said that there are typically plenty of jobs for college students. There are also plenty of opportunities for undergrad research where you can apply for grants and fellowships.
 
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Have to feed the indoctrination beast. Why stop at 'free' education? Since we're not playing actually football, we might as well play with a political football. This has agenda written all over it.
 

kerpal_68

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Money would be better spent sending kids through trade school or an associate degree in a trade at a community college.
 

HuskerO58

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Sure throw a bunch of unskilled people out into the workforce when most of the economy already has little use for them. I couldn't think of a better idea if we wanted to become uncompetitive in the world economy.
I've hired people who have their bachelors degree & they completely flopped because of their poor work ethic. My best employee has her high school diploma & only went to college for 1 year, but she works hard and now makes a decent living as an office assistant.

My point is that people are far from helpless without a college degree from a 4 year university.
 
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HuskerO58

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Higher education costs have gotten WAY out of hand, so something definitely needs to be done. The U can still make bank off the kids coming that receive free tuition by getting 12k in room and board, books, and other fees from them.
Maybe Universities should think about lowering the cost of R&B, books and other fees?

Of course this won't happen because we're spoiled. If a university doesn't meet or exceed the higher standards of "college life" then students just won't attend that university...

Universities meet that demand by spending $$$, college kids of course have to pay for it, then they complain when they have to pay it back though they asked for the higher standards (or at least enjoyed them) in the first place.
 

HuskerO58

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How do some of you people muster the energy for the endless outrage? There's about 58,000 enrolled in the university system, and we're talking about helping 1,000 low income kids go to school. I make a lot of money, and I had nothing starting out. I borrowed every cent. I'm glad a kid somewhere like me might have the opportunity to not start out with a noose around their neck. Somewhere in my dreams there is a version of life where I don't have to listen to people whine about taxes every day.
Awesome! If you can make it by starting out with nothing then I'm sure others can too.

With all this money you're making, do you think you could start some kind of scholarship to help some of these low income kids?
 

leodisflowers

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Oh really, then why did this shortage of workers in the construction industry and other trade industries seem to coincide with the decline of union labor? It's pretty simple. People will work in construction if the pay and labor conditions get better.
Like I said, you know nothing about construction.
 

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I've hired people who have their bachelors degree & they completely flopped because of their poor work ethic. My best employee has her high school diploma & only went to college for 1 year, but she works hard and now makes a decent living as an office assistant.

My point is that people are far from helpless without a college degree from a 4 year university.
I don't disagree. I never said they were. But I'm not the one who's bashing on certain college degrees. With how fast technology is changing, I wouldn't be surprised if some of the college degrees people are complaining about become the most in demand and they end up making a great living after they graduate.

Construction work is harder to automate, so there will be plenty of jobs in the industry for quite awhile. Most office jobs will probably be automated before construction will. That doesn't mean the construction industry won't have to adapt in the coming years.
 

oldjar07

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Like I said, you know nothing about construction.
Most of the issues in the construction industry with regards to labor are self inflicted and within the industry itself. It has nothing to do with helping a kid get a college degree. I'd look into regulations within the industry that are failing to produce productivity gains or attract workers before I'd blame colleges that have nothing to do with the issue.
 

BigB87

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Just as an aside, even without paying tuition college can still be expensive as hell. I got a free tuition scholarship to my university out of high school, and despite that I still managed to rack up $20k in debt due to room and board, books, etc.. Grad school ended up more than doubling that. I'm not sure making tuition "free" will end with students avoiding debt as much as people think it will.
 
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Sounds like NU system rolling out free tuition benefit for Nebraska residents whose household income falls below $60k. Wonder how the rest of the B1G Ten institutions are going to feel about that?
You have to ask how that program is being funded. By taxpayers or by increases in tuition for the other students who still have to pay tuition (making it even more burdensome for them)?

As much as we all want it, there's no free lunch in the end.

What I'd like to see is a detailed accounting of where every penny in tuition goes and that information made public. Then they should work on reducing the costs that don't directly relate to getting a degree and make it more affordable for everyone. JMO.
 

HuskerO58

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I don't disagree. I never said they were. But I'm not the one who's bashing on certain college degrees. With how fast technology is changing, I wouldn't be surprised if some of the college degrees people are complaining about become the most in demand and they end up making a great living after they graduate.

Construction work is harder to automate, so there will be plenty of jobs in the industry for quite awhile. Most office jobs will probably be automated before construction will. That doesn't mean the construction industry won't have to adapt in the coming years.
I think the argument is that not all college degrees are equal in terms of real world use & therefore shouldn't all be treated equal for free tuition.

Someone with a Nursing Degree is going to be much more valuable to society than someone with a Liberal Arts Degree.

But how many people are getting "worthless degrees" anyway? I wouldn't think it'd be that many.
 
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TheNewNU_rivals50820

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I suspect this has to do with our states massive brain drain problem. However I dont think this will do anything to solve it.
 

oldjar07

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I think the argument is that not all college degrees are equal in terms of real world use & therefore shouldn't all be treated equal for free tuition.

Someone with a Nursing Degree is going to be much more valuable to society than someone with a Liberal Arts Degree.

But how many people are getting "worthless degrees" anyway? I wouldn't think it'd be that many.
That's ridiculous. There's plenty of scholarships based on what degree you're in, but as far as who should get free tuition it shouldn't matter what degree you have. Besides the only reason people are saying nursing is valuable is because of the coronavirus. There's plenty of people in the liberal arts who have impacted more lives than most nurses. I don't know what your definition of liberal arts is but most accept that physical and life sciences such as biology, chemistry, mathematics, etc. are included in that. I don't think most modern nurses would be very useful without knowing something about the liberal arts.
 

leodisflowers

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Most of the issues in the construction industry with regards to labor are self inflicted and within the industry itself. It has nothing to do with helping a kid get a college degree. I'd look into regulations within the industry that are failing to produce productivity gains or attract workers before I'd blame colleges that have nothing to do with the issue.
Just be quiet. You are making yourself look stupid. Stop talking about what you know nothing about.
 

oldjar07

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Just be quiet. You are making yourself look stupid. Stop talking about what you know nothing about.
You haven't said a single thing about your knowledge of the construction industry. Just that I don't know what I'm talking about. I'm beginning to think you don't have a clue what you're talking about.
 

leodisflowers

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You haven't said a single thing about your knowledge of the construction industry. Just that I don't know what I'm talking about. I'm beginning to think you don't have a clue what you're talking about.
I’ve managed billions of dollars worth a work with Kiewit, PCL, & Salini Impregilo for over 15 years. Been in both Union and Non-Union areas in heavy civil and industrial markets. Most of the statements you have made are false and I just don’t care to engage with someone that just fires off comments that doesn’t understand the field. So yeah, I do know what I’m talking about.
 

NikkiSixx_rivals269993

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Turning this country into socialism in a red state? just wow.. what have we let this state come to? few more years and we might all be calling each other Comrade!
 

oldjar07

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I’ve managed billions of dollars worth a work with Kiewit, PCL, & Salini Impregilo for over 15 years. Been in both Union and Non-Union areas in heavy civil and industrial markets. Most of the statements you have made are false and I just don’t care to engage with someone that just fires off comments that doesn’t understand the field. So yeah, I do know what I’m talking about.
I have nothing against construction workers or the construction industry. People in this thread were bashing colleges and most fields of study beside a select few. Sure construction workers, nurses, etc. are important but so are a lot of other areas. I think trade school tuition should be free along with universities and community colleges.