yikes...the POTUS just said this week after meeting with the drug companies that a vaccine is very close to coming. I’ll trust our President over the media any day if the week.
yikes...the POTUS just said this week after meeting with the drug companies that a vaccine is very close to coming. I’ll trust our President over the media any day if the week.
the problem with a pandemic is people are dying and sickened long before science can gather a consensus...the first study about Covid took about 40 days to complete..at that point we were looking at a full outbreak. Viruses often produce a massive range of results as they move through the population. Covid for example can seriously damage your testicles and kidneys, or you might be 60 and just get an 8 hour fever and nothing else...you might be 21 and die from drowning on your own immune system... or your might take 40 days to die from sepsis...these four cases make it sound very confusing...but they are only four out of a probable 300k-1 million that have already occurred. There is obviously some immunity issues because the elderly have huge death rates, while the young are not killed at all...this has to be because the young have recently been exposed to other mild corona-viruses as they are the most likely to get seasonal coronaviruses. It might take 10 years of study before we really know about this virus...and by then it will change.I understand that. But some of the media coverage in 2009 was ridiculously bad - not because H1N1 wasn't a big story, but because it was inaccurate and not based on science. And yet at no time did people convince themselves that the media was using H1N1 to bring down the president.
Interesting that the media would like you to believe the world is coming to an end and everyone is dying (gee, I can't imagine what the media's goal might be here). I live in Lincoln but I'm in New Orleans for 12 days on business. The French Quarter was packed yesterday on a Saturday morning. No special events. Just people on vacation, etc. I don't think many people are staying home. Try getting on the Star Wars ride at either Disneyland or Disneyworld. The parks are full. Most people have common sense. Its a good thing.
Isn't death rate around 2-3% of those infected? Isn't that like 1/33?The irony is the age group that will be killed and sickened the most by this virus have the worst levels of science education, especially in evolutionary biology and virology. Some of them didn't even learn that the continents moved in school let alone about the evolutionary history of influenza or coronaviruses, our President included. And once you are out of the loop there is no reason to go back in if you have a career doesn't interact with science. Even then, my virology teacher didn't believe evolution affected humans, only subhuman animals. So the ignorance level of fairly intelligent americans is just astounding when it comes to science related topics. We have been lucky in a couple regards and so the ignorant MAY be allowed to stay that way...summer is coming, the aggressive form of the virus has been muted by China's amazing and extreme quarantine, and at the moment the virus doesn't spread well in the open air. Many of the loud mouths on this board will have a 1/6 chance of dying if they get the virus...disabling pneumonia, intubation, paralysis, secondary infection, sepsis, and multiple organ failure as the local hospital spends thousands to try to keep you alive, along with dozens, hundreds, or thousands of people in the same age range. I hope I am allowed to stay home so I don't kill my mom or brother...the test will come if we allowed people to stay off work until the virus is leveling off and not continuing to spread as it is right now. I bet by the end of this week, the dorks on this board will feel very differently about this virus.
Interesting that the media would like you to believe the world is coming to an end and everyone is dying (gee, I can't imagine what the media's goal might be here). I live in Lincoln but I'm in New Orleans for 12 days on business. The French Quarter was packed yesterday on a Saturday morning. No special events. Just people on vacation, etc. I don't think many people are staying home. Try getting on the Star Wars ride at either Disneyland or Disneyworld. The parks are full. Most people have common sense. Its a good thing.
Wow, nice stereotype. I'm happy you have so much faith in our education system that turns out all these young geniuses who are so much more informed than us old fools. I guess our "science education" wasn't good enough to invent cool stuff like transistors and CAT scans and MRIs, etc.The irony is the age group that will be killed and sickened the most by this virus have the worst levels of science education, especially in evolutionary biology and virology.
No blue hairs allowed
The irony is the age group that will be killed and sickened the most by this virus have the worst levels of science education, especially in evolutionary biology and virology.
Let me try to add some levity...Wow, nice stereotype. I'm happy you have so much faith in our education system that turns out all these young geniuses who are so much more informed than us old fools. I guess our "science education" wasn't good enough to invent cool stuff like transistors and CAT scans and MRIs, etc.
sigh....it is 2-3% for the entire population. It hasn't killed a single human younger than 9...only 1 between 10-19... and has killed about 70 between the ages of 20-50. That means 90%-95% of those who will die are older than 60....but they actually make up a relatively small portion of those infected. The most infected age group is 30-50. The stats are clear...if you are older 60...you are likely to have comorbid conditions...and you have a 10-15% chance to die from this virus...if you are older than 75...you are looking at 20-25% chance. By the numbers...this is spanish flu for the elderly. Young people are carriers and are often asymptomatic, which is great for them...they will break containment and spread the thing and feel great doing it. The virus is extremely contagious in close living conditions...something that many elderly are exposed to...as they are often reliant on some sort of care. And a deep lung pneumonia, that exposes the sick to secondary infections, along with sepsis are top killers of the old anyway. The medical care for those that have gotten it has been very good, but it is going to slide and the death rate for ARDS patients will increase. The idiotic responses to this thing are well documented historically...the rude and ignorant will fall back on ignorance...same reason so many americans have heart disease, diabetes, obesity, even though these are preventable conditions. I hope I am wrong...but as I type this...one region of one country just had 133 deaths in 1 day...every death was over 60...and they have 600 in critical condition...after just two weeks.Isn't death rate around 2-3% of those infected? Isn't that like 1/33?
I think they play it in the fieldhouse w no crowd. NET covers it. Can I come to your place & watch?...I don't have an antenna. I'll bring my high-tech thermometer that shows the last 10 readings.My bet would be on the Spring Game being cancelled
Not everyone holds the same darwinism faith. Virology is completely different.The irony is the age group that will be killed and sickened the most by this virus have the worst levels of science education, especially in evolutionary biology and virology. Some of them didn't even learn that the continents moved in school let alone about the evolutionary history of influenza or coronaviruses, our President included. And once you are out of the loop there is no reason to go back in if you have a career doesn't interact with science. Even then, my virology teacher didn't believe evolution affected humans, only subhuman animals. So the ignorance level of fairly intelligent americans is just astounding when it comes to science related topics. We have been lucky in a couple regards and so the ignorant MAY be allowed to stay that way...summer is coming, the aggressive form of the virus has been muted by China's amazing and extreme quarantine, and at the moment the virus doesn't spread well in the open air. Many of the loud mouths on this board will have a 1/6 chance of dying if they get the virus...disabling pneumonia, intubation, paralysis, secondary infection, sepsis, and multiple organ failure as the local hospital spends thousands to try to keep you alive, along with dozens, hundreds, or thousands of people in the same age range. I hope I am allowed to stay home so I don't kill my mom or brother...the test will come if we allowed people to stay off work until the virus is leveling off and not continuing to spread as it is right now. I bet by the end of this week, the dorks on this board will feel very differently about this virus.
I'm just waiting for the boys state basketball tourney to get cancelled this weekend. I could see it happening.My bet would be on the Spring Game being cancelled
I flew in to Eppley late last night with a girl's basketball team from Everson ? College who is playing in their national tournament in Omaha I guess. They said they're happy to be in Omaha right now. One of their coaches wiped down his entire row of seats with Clorox wipes when he got on the plane then proceeded to order food and drink from the stewardess.I'm just waiting for the boys state basketball tourney to get cancelled this weekend. I could see it happening.
Had this similar discussion yesterday at the dinner table. My brother told me that air is changed out often on a plane. I didn't know that. So read about it. I guess I'll buy the fact that it's changed out AND mixed with cabin air and fresh oxygen. Supposed HEPA filters take care of other things. Lavoratory air is not recirculated!!I flew in to Eppley late last night with a girl's basketball team from Everson ? College who is playing in their national tournament in Omaha I guess. They said they're happy to be in Omaha right now. One of their coaches wiped down his entire row of seats with Clorox wipes when he got on the plane then proceeded to order food and drink from the stewardess.I'm very concerned about the virus but man there's only so much you can do. When you go through security at a large airport you are forced to handle tubs that thousands of people have handled in a day. Then you stand nose to ******* in lines for long periods of time. Then hours in a completely enclosed cramped tube with 150 other people from all over the world. IF we really wanted to slow this thing down, we would HAVE to completely shut down mass transit including the airlines. It's not going to happen. We need to just suck it up and hope for the best and those of us over 60 with some form of pre-existing medical issue need to make sure our affairs are in order "just in case".
Had this similar discussion yesterday at the dinner table. My brother told me that air is changed out often on a plane. I didn't know that. So read about it. I guess I'll buy the fact that it's changed out AND mixed with cabin air and fresh oxygen. Supposed HEPA filters take care of other things. Lavoratory air is not recirculated!!
It's people in such close proximity that's the problem.
Sanitze your hands AFTER you get through TSA and not before. You'll thank me later
Clorox or Lysol wipes if you can would probably be the bestYes, it isn't the recirculated air - it's everything that you and everyone else touches that can cause a problem. (which is why I'm planning on bringing lots of my home made sanitizer on my flights since our local stores sold out of it weeks ago.)
Clorox or Lysol wipes if you can would probably be the best
the POTUS just said this week after meeting with the drug companies that a vaccine is very close to coming. I’ll trust our President over the media any day if the week.
The irony is the age group that will be killed and sickened the most by this virus have the worst levels of science education, especially in evolutionary biology and virology. Some of them didn't even learn that the continents moved in school let alone about the evolutionary history of influenza or coronaviruses, our President included. And once you are out of the loop there is no reason to go back in if you have a career doesn't interact with science. Even then, my virology teacher didn't believe evolution affected humans, only subhuman animals. So the ignorance level of fairly intelligent americans is just astounding when it comes to science related topics. We have been lucky in a couple regards and so the ignorant MAY be allowed to stay that way...summer is coming, the aggressive form of the virus has been muted by China's amazing and extreme quarantine, and at the moment the virus doesn't spread well in the open air. Many of the loud mouths on this board will have a 1/6 chance of dying if they get the virus...disabling pneumonia, intubation, paralysis, secondary infection, sepsis, and multiple organ failure as the local hospital spends thousands to try to keep you alive, along with dozens, hundreds, or thousands of people in the same age range. I hope I am allowed to stay home so I don't kill my mom or brother...the test will come if we allowed people to stay off work until the virus is leveling off and not continuing to spread as it is right now. I bet by the end of this week, the dorks on this board will feel very differently about this virus.
this corona thing will be a good lesson for all of our government ( democrat and republican) on why the founding fathers said the second job of the federal government under the united states of America constitution is border control (first job is military)Trust the president? Who has already said the virus is a hoax? That somehow the Democrats are responsible? WOW Just WOW!
you've been mislead. Also, no political banterTrust the president? Who has already said the virus is a hoax? That somehow the Democrats are responsible? WOW Just WOW!
Were you satisfied how your"home brew" hand sanitizer turned out? I know you mentioned you were going to try a couple different essential oil fragrancesI know, but unfortunately those products sold out as well as any kind of Lysol spray. Last I checked you can still get rubbing alcohol but that might be gone now. Our shelves have been emptied for quite a while.
Not quite what he said but anywayTrust the president? Who has already said the virus is a hoax? That somehow the Democrats are responsible? WOW Just WOW!
Really weird how it exploded in ItalyI'm not sure about anyone else's employer, but the company I work for is based out of Milan Italy and they took a ton of steps there to fight this. We now just got our own statement today basically cancelling all meetings, no travel, no face to face meetings with clients, etc.. Yes, I think they government can do better, but I also don't think we need to rely on them. I imagine, and would hope, other employers are doing the same as mine to make sure they try to keep their employees from making the spread of this thing happen.
Were you satisfied how your"home brew" hand sanitizer turned out? I know you mentioned you were going to try a couple different essential oil fragrances
Right! And then we go home and accidentally pass it on to the elderly and infants.Sadly that’s probably what really needs to happen. blue hairs and babies stay home. The rest of us can probably fight off the virus
It isn't too bad considering it's the best I can do right now. I found the 91% alcohol and use 2 parts of it to 1 part aloe vera plus a few drops of lavendar essential oil. It smells really alcoholly but oh well. I know that it isn't as good as the store bought kind but it is what it is.
And the alcohol smell dissippates quickly.
Just pore the alcohol on your hands. Then wash your hands.
If you are not washing your hands it doesn't matter who you stay away from.
We are the only people that can stop this. The citizens.
The govt never could have stopped this from making it here.
Fair amount of truthJust pore the alcohol on your hands. Then wash your hands.
If you are not washing your hands it doesn't matter who you stay away from.
We are the only people that can stop this. The citizens.
The govt never could have stopped this from making it here.