Ok. Ill call it like it is.
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I'm not quite ready to give up on Adrian. This year was disappointing, but remember he actually had a higher completion % and QB Rating than Joe Burrow in 2018. Some LSU fans wanted to move on from him after the 29-0 debacle against Alabama last year.
Precisely. Whale trophy recruiting strategy yields whale trophy results.
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Only thing I’m going to bother saying is IF Martinez isn’t working hard he will lose his starting spot at QB (assuming it’s still his). Luke McCaffrey looks very hungry for that spot and Logan Smothers isn’t coming here to hold a clip board either. Those 2 alone will push Martinez hard. We shall see what happens come fall and a few games pass. Adrain Martinez won’t be able to just take it easy, keep making mistakes and all that and keep his starting spot. One of those freshmen stars will take it in a hurry.
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Both of those freshman are under-sized. That is why they are so committed to AM. He can take the hits and grind of a 150 carry season. Luke looked fine in limited roles but he couldn't make it through a game healthy...Luke will get the time and seasoning that AM should have been afforded...and they call it a sophomore slump for a reason.
Watch his freshman highlights when he has good receivers, and then imagine when he has an even better surrounding cast.
I’m of the opinion that if AM beats out LM and Smothers, he will become a record setting QB for Nebraska, and the competition will be good for him. If he doesn’t, then LM or Smothers will fall into this “record setting” role sooner than later.
AM is not a bad QB, he shows flashes of elite ness. If he can make it consistent, and show he can show drives in the 4th quarter to win games, is where he will really shine. He hasn’t shown us yet he is capable of being a “winning” QB at the CFB level.
Edit: If you watch the highlights, you will notice that we are often giving up 30+ points on defense and are trailing behind most of the highlights. This 1,000% has to change, and I’m not convinced Frost has the right defensive assistances to make this happen. On the recruiting front we are at about a B-. We are doing okay at CB/S and Linebackers, but Dline recruiting is slacking pretty bad, and those are the trenches. With that said, you see how Lincoln Riley upgrades his DC and then got torched by LSU. So it’s really hard to judge in a short time period.
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So true. And I think it's not all that unusual for players to struggle with that type of thing. For some of the players at NU, just being on the team goes to their head. Even on the horrible teams we've had recently.
Not sure AM size has really helped his durability. He hasn’t made it thru a full season without missing games in 3 years. That’s not a coincidence or a fluke .
Whenever you talk to someone close to the program, it's important to realize that it's just one man's opinion. In a program that large, opinions can vary greatly. But the above quote rings true to me. Martinez just did not look good last year. He didn't just look slow. He was slow, especially laterally. The play that stands out to me was that crucial play where Martinez scrambled and instead of trying to juke and outrun a Wisconsin DEFENSIVE LINEMAN who had peeled back into a spy role, Adrian tried to run over him. He hit a brick wall and didn't get the first down.
If AM loses the bad weight (beer weight?) and buys into the weight program, he could come back much lighter and improve on his speed and agility.
What are the odds he was told to try and do that more often this year though? Based on the whole "not be a candy ***" thing.
Lets hope the new weapons are as advertised, then, lets hope everyones fully healthy, then lets have a real competition.
If the above hopefully happens, it's likely AM is a returning starter. If he doesn't compete well enough, and I see no reason why he wouldn't,AM keeps his job.
SF knows if AMs slacking as some have inferred,starting him over say Luke will create a problem within the team itself, and that wont happen.
SF is looking for leaders, no way AM doesnt bust hump to keep his job.
If the above hopefully happens, it's likely AM is a returning starter. If he doesn't compete well enough, and I see no reason why he wouldn't,AM keeps his job.
SF knows if AMs slacking as some have inferred,starting him over say Luke will create a problem within the team itself, and that wont happen.
SF is looking for leaders, no way AM doesnt bust hump to keep his job.
Frost is safe no matter what the record is next year. But I can guarantee the heat for him to can assistants will be to much to ignore. The first 2 years we can all chalk it up to rebuild and fixing the MR disaster. By year 3 there is no more excuses, I can't imagine what another losing season would do to husker nation, the fans, the program, and Frosts mentality. Also as far as recruiting goes year 3 is pivotal, recruits are going to be expecting to see progress. "Come be a part of building something great" probably isn't going to work.
I have no idea what will happen, who is safe and who isn't. There are a lot of things that could go wrong too. Continued off the field sexual misconduct stuff or any of a number of potential landmines can derail lots of good intentions. I know he is being given time, but I think Scott needs to put some urgency into winning. We saw how hard they recruited this year and that was very encouraging. They need to develop guys right now. He doesn't have to win a title next year, but he needs a winning record and a good bowl game showing too. Taking out a higher ranked opponent would also be encouraging. 4, 5, or even 6 wins isn't going to cut it anymore from my viewpoint. If you come in with 6 wins in 2020, you're like that guy who is doing just barely enough to get by.
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Someone close to the program saw this but HCSF and Verduzco didn't? Makes sense...
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I think we have to get to 7 wins at a min next year. 8 or 9 to take the heat off.
He's hurt all the time and you're talking about him being able to take the punishment?
I just don't think Frost would put up with any QB not willing to work out and buy-in. The guy was voted captain by the end of fall camp so I don't think too much of this attitude was apparent, at least at that juncture. I do think he was carrying some bad weight and it slowed him down, the incredibly bad snaps and o-line play through 3/4ths of the season attributed to some of his disappointing play, the injuries didn't help either but I do think he was indecisive and that was happening even at the end of the season when the running game was going, snaps were better and o-line had improved.
I still believe he has a higher ceiling than Luke but I need to see some significant improvement to feel good about him as a starting QB.
Lots of good points....
I'm not sold on Frost being the right guy....but, like every other coach in America, he's at the practices...the fans aren't. Therefore, I give them the benefit of the doubt in making personnel/playing time decisions. If Frost has stuck with Martinez, I believe it is because Martinez has shown at practice that he's the best bet. That may change, of course.....but for now, that's the deal.
McCaffrey and Vedral both showed good things when put in during a game...but I think we forget that the other team didn't spend time prepping for them. I've seen lots of backup QBs at every level come into the middle of a game and perform, only to struggle the following week when named the starter (for whatever reason).
The thing that stood out to me in the Indiana game when Vedral & McCaffrey played was how much better the tempo of the offense was. It almost looked like the Frost UCF offense. His fumble was very unfortunate but otherwise Vedral had a 193 QB Rating that game.
Vedral isn't as physically talented, but seems to be better at the mental side - processing things quickly, which Frost says is the most important skill for his QBs. Martinez really struggled with his reads this season and getting the offense set quickly.
I know I'm going to sound like a broken record because I feel like I am repeating myself. But watching the QBs warm up during pregame, AM was seldom the most accurate of the bunch.
First post here but my opinion is lack of competition hurt Martinez this year. Gebbia pushed him and he came out better for it in 18. Last year he knew he was the man and probably didn't have the pressure to push himself. Defenses also knew what to expect from him and could play to his tendencies. Lesson learned, hope he comes out and is the best Martinez to qb NU.
Right now, IMO, Taylor's career is more impressive than Adrians, though he was a much less talented qb. Taylor could get in a groove he and basically carried the team to the conference championship despite a bad defense. AM, I feel needs to get mentally tough.
Right now, IMO, Taylor's career is more impressive than Adrians, though he was a much less talented qb. Taylor could get in a groove he and basically carried the team to the conference championship despite a bad defense. AM, I feel needs to get mentally tough.
And yet Tmart was slagged big time by folks on the board. And maybe check the talent level available of skill players available to TMart vs Amart.
Hell, maybe Adrian doesn’t ultimately level up and one of the young kids beats him out. But I doubt it.
