That was NOT targeting, defender went in text book towards chest ( did NOT launch) Lawrence lowered his head.
aOSU v Clemson
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He did not lower his head and lead with the crown, give me break, now you're just imagining things. The fronts of their helmets hit, mostly because Lawrence saw the hit coming and started to curl up to take the hit.
Except he didn't "lead" with his helmet, he went for a normal tackle and their helmets hit.
Exactly slow motion looks a lot different than normal speed. The replay booth shouldn't be allowed to use slow motion replay to determine targeting.
Also that was not PI, that was defensive holding. Occurred before the pass was thrown should have been 5 yards not 15.
These are ESPN calls
These are ESPN calls
I would like to see an example of a person running where he doesn't lead with his head.
That ABSOLUTELY WAS TEXTBOOK TARGETING. All you Big goggle wearing crybabies can get pissed all you want, but it doesnt change it.
Couldn't care less what game it is, I'm tired of bad officiating no matter where and when it occurs. Helmet contact is not a penalty, helmet contact occurs on quite a few tackles, it's a function of how people play and simple physics.
While on the subject of poor officiating, on that very "targeting" play, Chase Young was being absolutely mugged, as he has been on about 80% of plays.
I feel like college football needs a helmet-to-helmet personal foul rule that doesn't necessarily carry a player ejection. Not a Buckeye fan in any way, shape or form, but Wade getting the same penalty as Radley-Hiles in the earlier game seems way out of proportion.
The only reason his crown hit is Lawrence lowered his helmet, OSU defender lowered his shoulder to make the tackle and Lawrence was at his full height, then Lawrence ducked into the hit, there was no "leading" with the crown, he lowered his shoulder and Lawrence ducked into the hit.
Absolutely agree. The vast majority of the targeting calls don't warrant ejection. And it does nothing to deter targeting in the future.
What the hell are you looking at? The crown hit first. What's your definition of "leading"?
I agree. I would like to see if a player has more than one in a season then it warrants ejection
Not a big fan of the targeting flag in general, it’s just another flag to benefit the offense while they freely hold and commit hands to the face every play. The one they called goes uncalled allllll the time, but I will say, according to the dumb rule, it is targeting.
Agree in the wonder of how someone moves forward quickly without leading with the head. It reminds me of the charge foul in basketball when “leading with the shoulder” You’re asking defenders to make sure your shoulder hits first while playing 100 mph, it’s stupid and again I think a lot of these flags are generally just to throw more points on the board, higher ratings, more commercial breaks, etc.
Agree in the wonder of how someone moves forward quickly without leading with the head. It reminds me of the charge foul in basketball when “leading with the shoulder” You’re asking defenders to make sure your shoulder hits first while playing 100 mph, it’s stupid and again I think a lot of these flags are generally just to throw more points on the board, higher ratings, more commercial breaks, etc.
Looks like the roughing the punter might just bite OSU in the but. They have Clemson stopped deep and they give Clemson a 1st down...then leads to game leading TD. Ouch...
just my two cents...oh well and so what on the targeting call. It happened if we like it or not..or agree with it or not. Done and over with.
just my two cents...oh well and so what on the targeting call. It happened if we like it or not..or agree with it or not. Done and over with.
God I hate Herbstreit. Guy tries SOOOO hard to appear impartial. It was obviously an incompletion. "I dont know Bill, looked like a football move. Two or three steps." Gtfo Herbdick.
I’m sure many of you remember football before video reviews. Your opinion; better or worse? I’m not sure. It’s good to correct the egregious stuff, but all the hair splitting gets old. Gotta love how that play gets overturned and the no call on the PI in the OU game stands.
I will admit I was wrong about one thing. The crown did hit, I hadn't seen a good angle of the replay. Doesn't change anything else about what I said though. "Leading" means he intentionally lowered his head and lead with his helmet. Watch the freaking replay and take off your blinders. He lowered his shoulder to make a tackle, now I might be mistaken, but I'm fairly certain the head is attached to the shoulders, so the head followed. When he lowered his shoulder to make the tackle, Lawrence was standing at full height. All things being the same from that point, his shoulder hits Lawrence in the torso. Instead, Lawrence started to duck when he saw the hit coming, causing the helmets to hit. It most certainly does matter, because it's the difference between intent to do something wrong, and incidental contact because of the way Lawrence moved.
Except he was right. That was totally a catch. I've never seen a player hold the ball that long and it not be called a catch.