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jlb321_rivals110621

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The why is important to those long standing rivalries.

Since 1966 Georgia and Alabama have only played 14 regular season games so this even started before they switched divisions and when Alabama played Georgia they still played Tennessee the 3 week in October..

Cant compare what the SEC does with their scheduling compared with the B1G, especially when the SEC doesn’t even play nine conference games..

I believe every SEC team except Arkansas plays 9 power 5 opponents. Some play 10.
We do not have to schedule a power 5 team out of conference if the 9 conference games is viewed as an excessive burden
 
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The why is important to those long standing rivalries.

Since 1966 Georgia and Alabama have only played 14 regular season games so this even started before they switched divisions and when Alabama played Georgia they still played Tennessee the 3 week in October..

Cant compare what the SEC does with their scheduling compared with the B1G, especially when the SEC doesn’t even play nine conference games..

Sure you can. We are talking specifically about cross division games and how unfair they are or aren't. The SEC has cross division protected games, so does the Big Ten. The biggest differences are that the Big Ten will change those protected matchups and the SEC appears to have some sort of a rotation for the other cross division game. I do not hear any griping from Auburn fan about how unfair it is because they have to play Georgia every year and Alabama never has to play them.
 

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Sure you can. We are talking specifically about cross division games and how unfair they are or aren't. The SEC has cross division protected games, so does the Big Ten. The biggest differences are that the Big Ten will change those protected matchups and the SEC appears to have some sort of a rotation for the other cross division game. I do not hear any griping from Auburn fan about how unfair it is because they have to play Georgia every year and Alabama never has to play them.

And Auburn doesn’t have to play Tennessee every year.. Can’t blame Alabama that Tennessee has been down lately...

Ohio St and Wisconsin and Iowa and Rutgers is not the rivalry games Alabama and Tennessee and Auburn and Georgia have..

My point is the B1G doesn’t have big crossover rivalries in the other division like the SEC has besides the one I mentioned..only protected game is Indiana and Purdue when comparing it to the SEC..

And again the SEC only plays 2 crossover games and the B1G has 3..
 
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When we entered the B1G and had Legends and Leaders Divisions we had protected crossover rivalries that made sense.

Ohio St/ Michigan
Wisconsin/ Iowa
Penn St / Nebraska
Illinois/ Northwestern
Indiana / Purdue
Penn St/ Michigan St
 
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Michigan - OSU - PSU play each other every year (that’s 3 blue bloods who recruit in the top 5-15 on a regular basis.

We have Wisconsin - Iowa - Nw.

We have a huge advantage in conference scheduling compared to the other blue blood programs in the league.
 
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Michigan - OSU - PSU play each other every year (that’s 3 blue bloods who recruit in the top 5-15 on a regular basis.

We have Wisconsin - Iowa - Nw.

We have a huge advantage in conference scheduling compared to the other blue blood programs in the league.

Not disputing any of this..
 
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And Auburn doesn’t have to play Tennessee every year.. Can’t blame Alabama that Tennessee has been down lately...

Ohio St and Wisconsin and Iowa and Rutgers is not the rivalry games Alabama and Tennessee and Auburn and Georgia have..

My point is the B1G doesn’t have big crossover rivalries in the other division like the SEC has besides the one I mentioned..only protected game is Indiana and Purdue when comparing it to the SEC..

And again the SEC only plays 2 crossover games and the B1G has 3..

And you can't blame Ohio St for Nebraska being down.

You are confusing the issue. It doesn't matter why you have protected games, just that you have protected games. Team A in division 1 plays Team A in division 2 every year.

I have yet to find any evidence and no one has provided me any, that shows that a team lost a division title because of the cross over schedule. Which again is the point of the "it isn't fair" discussion.
 

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And you can't blame Ohio St for Nebraska being down.

You are confusing the issue. It doesn't matter why you have protected games, just that you have protected games. Team A in division 1 plays Team A in division 2 every year.

I have yet to find any evidence and no one has provided me any, that shows that a team lost a division title because of the cross over schedule. Which again is the point of the "it isn't fair" discussion.

B1G doesn’t need protected rivalries, they just need to move the teams around in the cross division every two years instead of having ONE for 4 years..

That is all!
 
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B1G doesn’t need protected rivalries, they just need to move the teams around in the cross division every two years instead of having ONE for 4 years..

That is all!

Great. But I wasn’t arguing that point.

I am discussing reality, I am not in fantasyland and looking at it in a my perfect world, this is what I want.
 

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Im still looking for official word from the big ten that Ohio state is an official cross over game. I missed it I guess.

Surely we could switch with Wisconsin and play Michigan more often. I don't see what the problem is.

We are not the only team, or only sport for that matter, questioning the big 10s scheduling habits. Far from it.
 
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You can’t tell me Iowa and Northwestern Don’t have a advantage from 2022-27 playing Maryland and Rutgers for 6 years over playing Ohio St and Michigan and Minnesota plays Michigan State..

Who said there wasn’t advantages and disadvantages?

I think if you look at all the games for that period, Northwestern and Iowa play Ohio St as many times as Nebraska does.

I am simply saying until there is a season where a division is won by a team because of who the cross over opponents are, then it is just whining.
 

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Who said there wasn’t advantages and disadvantages?

I think if you look at all the games for that period, Northwestern and Iowa play Ohio St as many times as Nebraska does.

I am simply saying until there is a season where a division is won by a team because of who the cross over opponents are, then it is just whining.

2026 and 2027 schedules haven’t been made up yet.

Like I said in another post the discrepancy is in 2024..

Nebraska and Wisconsin must play Michigan, tOSU and Penn St, while the Herky’s play Rutgers, Maryland and Indiana..

I don’t know if Nebraska will ever land Rutgers, Maryland and Indiana as all 3 their crossover games..

And if it does happen I’ll probably be dead.Laughing
 
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2026 and 2027 schedules haven’t been made up yet.

Like I said in another post the discrepancy is in 2024..

Nebraska and Wisconsin must play Michigan, tOSU and Penn St, while the Herky’s play Rutgers, Maryland and Indiana..

I don’t know if Nebraska will ever land Rutgers, Maryland and Indiana as all 3 their crossover games..

And if it does happen I’ll probably be dead.Laughing

And if in 2024 Nebraska loses the west because of this, then there will be reason to complain.
 

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You got me curious, so I went to look at records in the Big Ten broken down by division and crossover. Here is how the top three in each division has shaken out since the league split into two divisions.

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Year: Division
Rank. Team: Conference Record (Division Record, Crossover Record)

2018: East
1. Ohio State: 8-1 (6-0, 2-1)
2. Michigan: 8-1 (5-1, 3-0)
3. Penn State: 6-3 (3-3, 3-0)
2018: West
1. Northwestern: 8-1 (6-0, 2-1)
2. Wisconsin: 5-4 (3-3, 2-1)
3. Purdue: 5-4 (3-3, 2-1)

2017: East
1. Ohio State: 8-1 (6-0, 2-1)
2. Michigan State: 7-2 (5-1, 2-1)
3. Penn State: 7-2 (4-2, 3-0)
2017: West
1. Wisconsin: 9-0 (6-0, 3-0)
2. Northwestern: 7-2 (5-1, 2-1)
3. Iowa: 4-5 (3-3, 1-2)

2016: East
1. Penn State: 8-1 (5-1, 3-0)
2. Ohio State: 8-1 (5-1, 3-0)
3. Michigan: 7-2 (5-1, 2-1)
2016: West
1. Wisconsin: 7-2 (6-0, 1-2)
2. Iowa: 6-3 (4-2, 2-1)
3. Nebraska: 6-3 (4-2, 2-1)

2015: East
1. Michigan State: 7-1 (6-0, 1-1)
2. Ohio State: 7-1 (5-1, 2-0)
3. Michigan: 6-2 (4-2, 2-0)
2015: West
1. Iowa: 8-0 (6-0, 2-0)
2. Northwestern: 6-2 (5-1, 1-1)
3. Wisconsin: 6-2 (4-2, 2-0)

2014: East
1. Ohio State: 8-0 (6-0, 2-0)
2. Michigan State: 7-1 (5-1, 2-0)
3. Maryland: 4-4 (3-3, 1-1)
2014: West
1. Wisconsin: 7-1 (5-1, 2-0)
2. Minnesota: 5-3 (4-2, 1-1)
3. Nebraska: 5-3 (4-2, 1-1)

2013: Legends
1. Michigan State: 8-0 (6-0, 2-0)
2. Iowa: 5-3 (5-1, 0-2)
3. Nebraska: 5-3 (3-3, 2-0)
2013: Leaders
1. Ohio State: 8-0 (6-0, 2-0)
2. Wisconsin: 6-2 (4-2, 2-0)
3. Penn State: 4-4 (4-2, 0-2)

2012: Legends
1. Nebraska: 7-1 (6-0, 1-1)
2. Michigan: 6-2 (5-1, 1-1)
3. Northwestern: 5-3 (4-2, 1-1)
2012: Leaders
1. Ohio State: 8-0 (6-0, 2-0)
2. Penn State: 6-2 (4-2, 2-0)
3. Wisconsin: 4-4 (4-2, 0-2)

2011: Legends
1. Michigan State: 7-1 (5-1, 2-0)
2. Michigan: 6-2 (4-2, 2-0)
3. Nebraska: 5-3 (4-2, 1-1)
2011: Leaders
1. Wisconsin: 6-2 (5-1, 1-1)
2. Penn State: 6-2 (5-1, 1-1)
3. Purdue: 4-4 (4-2, 0-2)

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To your point, at worst, the division champion has been determined by head-to-head (strange probation circumstances for Ohio State and Penn State in 2012 notwithstanding). The only situation where I found a sliver of a chance a crossover had an impact on determining a division champion was the 2016 East Division:
Penn State, Ohio State, and Michigan went 1-1 against each other.
Penn State (Minnesota, Purdue, Iowa in crossovers) and Ohio State (Wisconsin, Northwestern, Nebraska) went 3-0 in crossovers, while Michigan went 2-1 (beat Wisconsin and Illinois, lost to Iowa).
Not sure how the tiebreaker would have shaken out had Michigan beat Iowa. I think it would have been the CFP standings or something, and given the CFP rankings heading into Thanksgiving weekend, Ohio State's win over Michigan would have made Ohio State the representative.

Wish I had time to check out the SEC, but was curious to see if by raw results there was ever a case where crossover assignments impacted the division champion in at least the Big Ten. The answer is that it hasn't as you've said in this thread.
 
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I wish I had time to check out results the week after crossovers, second week of consecutive road games, stuff like that as well. Oh well.

I know, I know, I'm just digging for something :)
 

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2026 and 2027 schedules haven’t been made up yet.

Like I said in another post the discrepancy is in 2024..

Nebraska and Wisconsin must play Michigan, tOSU and Penn St, while the Herky’s play Rutgers, Maryland and Indiana..

I don’t know if Nebraska will ever land Rutgers, Maryland and Indiana as all 3 their crossover games..

And if it does happen I’ll probably be dead.Laughing

by 2024 ohio st will be serving a death penalty sentence from the ncaa, harbaugh will have retired and brian griese will be coach and penn st will be the same as today. probably.

we'll be coming off our 5th straight national title

things change, my friend