We began to slide as a program

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Going back a bit, what was the first time you noticed that our program began to slide?

Mine would be the Oklahoma game in 2000 when they beat us 31-14. I felt then that our option offense was beginning to feel a bit outdated. Also seeing OU with their spread offense, I thought it was going to hurt our recruiting for years to come.
 

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1998 - the offense took a step backwards- wasn’t sure if it was rebuilding or truly a step back. It became apparent pretty quickly that McBride was carrying the team 98 & 99.

Knew we were heading a new direction shortly thereafter when we had linebackers starting 00 maybe 01 that were 6’4 -250-260 that couldn’t run and offensive linemen who couldn’t pull or get up field. Still don’t understand why we went away from what worked so well in the heyday. We went from speed and athleticism to big, slow and ugh.....Still pisses me off
 

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Mine would be the Oklahoma game in 2000 when they beat us 31-14. I felt then that our option offense was beginning to feel a bit outdated. Also seeing OU with their spread offense, I thought it was going to hurt our recruiting for years to come.

I 1000% agree with this. Even the flashback 41 game against Oklahoma the next year that we won and EC won the Heisman that year I felt something was about a little different. For me 2001 was the beginnings of the warning signs.
 

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Opening loss in 1996.

Definitely a step back from the best team ever...

1997 was not a greatest team ever type year, but we were still a damn good team.

Probably felt the same was in 1972.

Pederson made us slide too. Still hate that guy.
 
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Decline began at Tom Osborne's retirement.

If this is a serious question, this is the only correct answer in my opinion.

Dead on. 2002 season was 7-7. That was the first year with no players who ever played for TO.
 

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I noticed the offensive jump off the ball and the overall speed slip each year that went by.

The defense started to show breaks in the year 2000. Teams would whip our D around at times, at other teams they didnt.

I remember the rumors about Solich during that time (bad recruiter, infidelity with mistress, alcohol issues, lacking in program control). I didnt believe any of them, but later found out they were true.
 

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Going back a bit, what was the first time you noticed that our program began to slide?

Mine would be the Oklahoma game in 2000 when they beat us 31-14. I felt then that our option offense was beginning to feel a bit outdated. Also seeing OU with their spread offense, I thought it was going to hurt our recruiting for years to come.

The offense wasn't outdated, Frank wasn't TO and didn't have the feel on how to call a game and set up plays the way TO did...shoot TO's offense and blocking schemes are the foundation of both the Pistol and Spread/Zone Read ran today.

TO himself said the Urban M offense is where his would have gone and was the natural progression of his offense.
 
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huskerfan1414

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Opening loss in 1996.

Definitely a step back from the best team ever...

1997 was not a greatest team ever type year, but we were still a damn good team.

Probably felt the same was in 1972.

Pederson made us slide too. Still hate that guy.
Some of these answers are ridiculous, especially above. 96? 97? Are you on crack?

And for those saying anything before 2002, thats ridiculous also. 2001 can still be considered a top 10-15 year or so in nebraska history. Anyone remember some of those 80s teams, which were still good but no where close to NC caliber? Are you saying 1998-2001 slipped from that? 98-2001 was one of the best "great team but no title" runs in college football history. We lose one blowout game to colorado, whIch literally happened to everybody beginning in the 21st century, and everyone thinks the sky is falling. It didnt have to. Miami wasnt losing that year, and we were a top 10 team, plus had a heisman winner. Also all americans, including at linebacker.Pretty sure 99% of teams would love to have a year like that.
2002 sucked then it started gerting better in 2003. Sometimes husker fans amaze me with their spoiled stupidity.
Steve Pederson is the death of nebraska football. You can say we should have fired frank, and thats still true.

I guess if you want to get technical and say "when did we start slipping from the 2nd greatest run in college football history?" The answe can be 98-2001, but for the thread title as a program thats not accurate.
 

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Once T.Os talent dried up and McBride retired it was game over. 1999 was a National Championship caliber team sans the fumbleitis the team had. I believe if T.O stayed for 4 or 5 more years we would have had 2 more National titles.
Agreed. '99 Huskers were the best team that year. We would have handled VT or FSU in championship game.
 

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Some of these answers are ridiculous, especially above. 96? 97? Are you on crack?

And for those saying anything before 2002, thats ridiculous also. 2001 can still be considered a top 10-15 year or so in nebraska history. Anyone remember some of those 80s teams, which were still good but no where close to NC caliber? Are you saying 1998-2001 slipped from that? 98-2001 was one of the best "great team but no title" runs in college football history. We lose one blowout game to colorado, whIch literally happened to everybody beginning in the 21st century, and everyone thinks the sky is falling. It didnt have to. Miami wasnt losing that year, and we were a top 10 team, plus had a heisman winner. Also all americans, including at linebacker.Pretty sure 99% of teams would love to have a year like that.
2002 sucked then it started gerting better in 2003. Sometimes husker fans amaze me with their spoiled stupidity.
Steve Pederson is the death of nebraska football. You can say we should have fired frank, and thats still true.

I guess if you want to get technical and say "when did we start slipping from the 2nd greatest run in college football history?" The answe can be 98-2001, but for the thread title as a program thats not accurate.

Extremely well said sir. Pedeyshine was a TOTAL disaster beyond belief. Firing Frank to bring in Clownahan......God help us.
 
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Some of these answers are ridiculous, especially above. 96? 97? Are you on crack?

Winking:D <insert It's a Trap gif>

Depends on one's definition of slide... cuz we definitely slid from the greatest team in the history of college football down to one of the top 10-15 Husker teams ever, like you said.

2002, 2004, or 2007 have to be the main answers for most, one would think.
 

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For all those years Nebraska never had a worse season winning less than 9 games, Nebraska was just do when Solich went 7-7 and some Asst Coach’s finally decided to retire..

But the program took the biggest slide when Pederson decided to change Nebraska culture in football when he hired Callahan in 2004..
 

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Oh yeah, in spite of 10,000 internet posters claiming Clownahan was a genius and a superb recruiter. Lol! He sure knew how to lose......taking NU down to the bottom of the bucket.

People forget that Callahan's offenses were not that great either. My father and I were lucky enough to have season tickets from 04-07' so we were at every home game except Ball State in 2007. Still remember that barn burner against Pitt.
 

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Going back a bit, what was the first time you noticed that our program began to slide?

Mine would be the Oklahoma game in 2000 when they beat us 31-14. I felt then that our option offense was beginning to feel a bit outdated. Also seeing OU with their spread offense, I thought it was going to hurt our recruiting for years to come.
When TO retired was no doubt the start of the decline. When Cally stepped foot on campus and basically dismantled every aspect of the previous 20 years was when I knew without a doubt Nebraska football was in a tailspin. Little did I realize at the time it would take almost another 20 years to get out of it.
 

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I have long argued that (as a few of you have pointed out) as soon as Osborne retired, that was the beginning of the decline.

Reasons:

1.) Tom Osborne is one of the all-time best college football coaches, and his offensive scheme was brilliant. I agree that he would have continued to evolve it based on how the game was changing, and it would have gotten towards what we are going to be doing now (or what Urban did, etc).

2.) The entire Nebraska program was built around Tom Osborne; he ran it, he had his coaches, everyone was on the same page, he adopted really great tactics to cover up the inherent weaknesses of coaching at Nebraska, and players wanted to play for him. Once that went away, and without finding a similarly awesome coach to replace him, the entire program began to collapse.

That is not a knock on Solich; I think he is a good coach. But he's not all-time best material and it showed.

What Peterson then did kind of made sense, from this perspective ("Oh, I need to go find the best coach I can with a new style to try to induce an Osborne situation again!"), he just picked a terrible coach and was a stupid, stubborn jackass. Instead of helping, his choices turbo-charged the slide into oblivion.

Pellini was a step in the right direction, he just wound up not being major-program coaching material from a personality standpoint and, sadly, from a coaching standpoint.

Riley was an absolutely dumbass hire. There is almost no excuse for it, other than the thought that must have been rattling around in Eichorst's empty head, which was "Durrrr I must find the least Pellini-like coach I can find!" Riley is a very nice guy and smoothed over some serious problems that were cropping up, but he's an average coach and old. That was absolutely not the right way to go.

Now, we have Frost. Frost is the first Osborne-esque guy we've had here since Osborne.

GBR!
 

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The offense wasn't outdated, Frank wasn't TO and didn't have the feel on how to call a game and set up plays the way TO did...shoot TO's offense and blocking schemes are the foundation of both the Pistol and Spread/Zone Read ran today.

TO himself said the Urban M offense is where his would have gone and was the natural progression of his offense.

For me, the offense really changed when we had Eric Crouch running it and it became a QB run offense rather than a QB option offense...Also, Milt Tenopir was a huge influence in how Osborne called the offense and I don't think Frank relied on Milt as much as TO did.
 
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Winking:D <insert It's a Trap gif>

Depends on one's definition of slide... cuz we definitely slid from the greatest team in the history of college football down to one of the top 10-15 Husker teams ever, like you said.

2002, 2004, or 2007 have to be the main answers for most, one would think.
Yes, but that doesnt comply with the thread title.
 

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That was a new low. But we were clearly on the slide before that. Look at the 7-7 season in 2002, as an example.

I would point in particular to the game at Penn State in 2002. That was a good old fashion curb stomping PSU put on Nebraska.
 

Redscarlet

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I would point in particular to the game at Penn State in 2002. That was a good old fashion curb stomping PSU put on Nebraska.

Next year turned around beat Penn St at home..
And Penn St wanted this game bad in 2002 after they felt they deserved a share of the title in 94.

Bad games happen even Osborne took some lumps a time or two..
 

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It all started the moment TO retired. Crouch was so good that he masked the problem for Frank. It prolonged and softened the appearance of a decline. Then the wheels came off when he graduated. Bare cupboards exposed.
 
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2015 is when it started getting really bad though, don’t get me wrong it wasn’t necessarily great before that, going back to 2002 IMO, but when a team with Nebraska’s talent cannot beat iowa 75% of the time something has gone terribly wrong. I know iowa goes all out when Nebraska’s involved, but a decent game plan should beat them 75% of the time minimum.
TO did it, Solich was 100% and Pelini did it.
 

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November 23, 2001.
This is the easy answer, but the correct answer is probably handing the reigns over to solich for continuity. Nebraska was the hottest name at the time, and should have found the hottest coaching name. Was always going to be hard to keep continuity with an elder staff long term.

Ifs & buts.