This has been troubling me for some time.....

[Spartanhusker]

...and I'm SURE I'll open some potential veins of angst(hey!!! Great name for a group!!!!...But I digress....) but in the middle of all these Kareem Hunt/Mo Washington ,et al discussions is the SECOND CHANCE moment....

Let me preface these thoughts...which are early cement level in my OWN head,so still changeable....by saying I find violence despicable , but especially against women....but in almost every discussion, someone says"I'm not against second chances, but just not here/in this sport"....to a large degree , I see real value in that, but is that sometimes simply a face saving "THAT'S NOT US" approach?

We all do levels of really stupid, sometimes painful stuff to others ,level of stupid...were we blessed because we got a 'second chance'? I think us older people who lived in less 'visible' times may have been blessed to escape the omnipresent visual of today and come out good citizens.

What makes a second chance in an area outside of your normal domain any better?

I have no answers....I really don't have an opinion of the future of Hunt or Washington...but I think it should never be knee jerk.

Thanks...I'll hang up and await the abuse!

 

[3pointdog]

Yes, MW made a terrible decision, but you are literally talking about destroying his life for something that someone else did. He is almost an innocent third party who made a terrible judgement. This would be a terrible miscarriage of justice in this particular case IMO. He wasn’t broadcasting it to harm her, I mean he could have blasted it. This being said, I hope he gets his mind right & realizes that he got his second chance at life & makes the most of it. I’d say two strikes at this point.

 

[RealTucoSalamanca]

...and I'm SURE I'll open some potential veins of angst(hey!!! Great name for a group!!!!...But I digress....) but in the middle of all these Kareem Hunt/Mo Washington ,et al discussions is the SECOND CHANCE moment....

Let me preface these thoughts...which are early cement level in my OWN head,so still changeable....by saying I find violence despicable , but especially against women....but in almost every discussion, someone says"I'm not against second chances, but just not here/in this sport"....to a large degree , I see real value in that, but is that sometimes simply a face saving "THAT'S NOT US" approach?

We all do levels of really stupid, sometimes painful stuff to others ,level of stupid...were we blessed because we got a 'second chance'? I think us older people who lived in less 'visible' times may have been blessed to escape the omnipresent visual of today and come out good citizens.

What makes a second chance in an area outside of your normal domain any better?

I have no answers....I really don't have an opinion of the future of Hunt or Washington...but I think it should never be knee jerk.

Thanks...I'll hang up and await the abuse!

I agree in second chances. I don't agree that the second chance needs to be at the equivalent level of the 1st chance.

Ray Rice, has his 2nd chance, he just has to do it at something other than professional football.

If the University of Nebraska expels Washington, he should be allowed to gain admittance into another university and obtain a degree, he just may not be able to play power 5 football again.

If I am fired for embezzling funds from a bank, I should be able to get a job again, I just can't get a job that requires that I am bonded by the bank insurance company.

 

[MOHUSKER]

Yes, MW made a terrible decision, but you are literally talking about destroying his life for something that someone else did. He is almost an innocent third party who made a terrible judgement. This would be a terrible miscarriage of justice in this particular case IMO. He wasn’t broadcasting it to harm her, I mean he could have blasted it. This being said, I hope he gets his mind right & realizes that he got his second chance at life & makes the most of it. I’d say two strikes at this point.

It wasn't to harm her? He sent her a copy of a video he

A) Likely knew she was expelled for and that she claimed was sexual assault
B) Likely knew that the spread of the video led her to substance abuse issues and a life tailspin, then used it to hurt her further
C) Allegedly tried to get her to respond to the video on multiple occasions
D) Likely knew that one of the kids who filmed it was charged and ended up on probation for distribution of child porn in 2016
E) Called her a ho while sending

If anything he is getting off light with current charges based on actual laws, it appears he sent the video while living in Texas to someone in California which is a federal offense. Additionally, it appears that it may have been a sexual assault which based off federal law could make him subject to a harsher sentence, including up to life in prison even for a first offense.

https://www.justice.gov/criminal-ceos/citizens-guide-us-federal-law-child-pornography

A first time offender convicted of transporting child pornography in interstate or foreign commerce under 18 U.S.C. § 2252, faces fines and a statutory minimum of 5 years to 20 years maximum in prison. Convicted offenders may face harsher penalties if the offender has prior convictions or if the child pornography offense occurred in aggravated situations defined as (i) the images are violent, sadistic, or masochistic in nature, (ii) the minor was sexually abused, or (iii) the offender has prior convictions for child sexual exploitation. In these circumstances, a convicted offender may face up to life imprisonment.

 

[Harry Caray]

Yes, MW made a terrible decision, but you are literally talking about destroying his life for something that someone else did. He is almost an innocent third party who made a terrible judgement. This would be a terrible miscarriage of justice in this particular case IMO. He wasn’t broadcasting it to harm her, I mean he could have blasted it. This being said, I hope he gets his mind right & realizes that he got his second chance at life & makes the most of it. I’d say two strikes at this point.

"Remember this hoe" wasn't meant to harm her?

 

[Sporty]

"Remember this hoe" wasn't meant to harm her?

We have no idea what he meant by that. For all we know he was hurt by all this and it was his way of "paying" her back. Does not justify what he did but no one here can know why or how hurt he might have been personally by seeing the video to start with. I am not saying he was not guilty of poor judgement but we have no idea what was going thru his mind!

 

[Redscarlet]

"Remember this hoe" wasn't meant to harm her?

Apparently it must have...
And she must have hurt him breaking up with him at 15..

 

[3pointdog]

"Remember this hoe" wasn't meant to harm her?

I don’t know her, maybe the shoe fits?

 

[artguy68]

Depends on what you mean by second chance. It is odd that people seem to think that not being able play football is "destroying their life." I hope for Hunt and Washington's sake that is nowhere close to the truth. There is a lot more to life than playing very trivial game. They can be given a second chance to pursue life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. Being on a football team is an entirely different kind of privilege.

 

[Spartanhusker]

Depends on what you mean by second chance. It is odd that people seem to think that not being able play football is "destroying their life." I hope for Hunt and Washington's sake that is nowhere close to the truth. There is a lot more to life than playing very trivial game. They can be given a second chance to pursue life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. Being on a football team is an entirely different kind of privilege.

i actually like that response a lot...thank you.

 

[Can o' corn]

Depends on what you mean by second chance. It is odd that people seem to think that not being able play football is "destroying their life." I hope for Hunt and Washington's sake that is nowhere close to the truth. There is a lot more to life than playing very trivial game. They can be given a second chance to pursue life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. Being on a football team is an entirely different kind of privilege.

I got crucified last night for expressing sentiments similar to yours. I hope you don't get attacked like I did.

 

[Iroh]

Hoe, *****, etc. while not endearing are common references to women in today’s age even between girls. Like using the N word or Libtard, etc. it is distasteful but not out of the ordinary even in normal conversation, particularly on social media. Just him using that word shouldn’t damn him.

 

[TheBeav815]

I agree in second chances. I don't agree that the second chance needs to be at the equivalent level of the 1st chance.

Ray Rice, has his 2nd chance, he just has to do it at something other than professional football.

If the University of Nebraska expels Washington, he should be allowed to gain admittance into another university and obtain a degree, he just may not be able to play power 5 football again.

If I am fired for embezzling funds from a bank, I should be able to get a job again, I just can't get a job that requires that I am bonded by the bank insurance company.

Perfectly stated. People keep equating kicking him off the team with "the death penalty" or "ruining his life." No it isn't. It's a consequence, and actions have consequences.

He still has all his rights under the law. Being on scholarship to play football at Nebraska is not a right. It's a privilege.

 

[SkerInCo]

Perfectly stated. People keep equating kicking him off the team with "the death penalty" or "ruining his life." No it isn't. It's a consequence, and actions have consequences.

He still has all his rights under the law. Being on scholarship to play football at Nebraska is not a right. It's a privilege.

Mike Riley was fired, sorry.

 

[MOHUSKER]

Hoe, *****, etc. while not endearing are common references to women in today’s age even between girls. Like using the N word or Libtard, etc. it is distasteful but not out of the ordinary even in normal conversation, particularly on social media. Just him using that word shouldn’t damn him.

Scott’s own words from last summer

https://www.omaha.com/huskers/footb...cle_673ad077-22fa-5aa6-a935-72737de286e9.html

“Aside from GPA, when we’re recruiting kids, the next thing we’re going to look at is what kind of kid the person is,” Frost said. “And part of that is looking through every ounce of social media we can possibly look at. So if some kid tweeted something four years ago that’s bad, we’re going to know about it.


“And I’ll tell you this right now — if there’s anything negative about women, if there’s anything racial or about sexuality, if there’s anything about guns or anything like that, we’re just not going to recruit you, period. Piece of advice for you — what you put on social media, that’s your résumé to the world. That’s what you’re trying to tell the world you’re all about. That’s how you’re advertising yourself. Be smart with that stuff.”

 

[dinglefritz]

Scott’s own words from last summer

https://www.omaha.com/huskers/footb...cle_673ad077-22fa-5aa6-a935-72737de286e9.html

“Aside from GPA, when we’re recruiting kids, the next thing we’re going to look at is what kind of kid the person is,” Frost said. “And part of that is looking through every ounce of social media we can possibly look at. So if some kid tweeted something four years ago that’s bad, we’re going to know about it.


“And I’ll tell you this right now — if there’s anything negative about women, if there’s anything racial or about sexuality, if there’s anything about guns or anything like that, we’re just not going to recruit you, period. Piece of advice for you — what you put on social media, that’s your résumé to the world. That’s what you’re trying to tell the world you’re all about. That’s how you’re advertising yourself. Be smart with that stuff.”

Well Washington apparently didn't have anything untoward on social media when he was recruited. What he supposedly had on his phone would be a different matter. I don't envy Frost having to deal with this. IMO, the kid should be suspended but not kicked off the team. We'll see how they deal with it.

 

[HuskerHusaria]

...and I'm SURE I'll open some potential veins of angst(hey!!! Great name for a group!!!!...But I digress....) but in the middle of all these Kareem Hunt/Mo Washington ,et al discussions is the SECOND CHANCE moment....

Let me preface these thoughts...which are early cement level in my OWN head,so still changeable....by saying I find violence despicable , but especially against women....but in almost every discussion, someone says"I'm not against second chances, but just not here/in this sport"....to a large degree , I see real value in that, but is that sometimes simply a face saving "THAT'S NOT US" approach?

We all do levels of really stupid, sometimes painful stuff to others ,level of stupid...were we blessed because we got a 'second chance'? I think us older people who lived in less 'visible' times may have been blessed to escape the omnipresent visual of today and come out good citizens.

What makes a second chance in an area outside of your normal domain any better?

I have no answers....I really don't have an opinion of the future of Hunt or Washington...but I think it should never be knee jerk.

Thanks...I'll hang up and await the abuse!

Second chances are always welcome. I'm a believer in second chances; heck, I tolerate multiple "second chances" and I always struggle to put the foot down...

Second chances are a luxury; always desired, but not always given. Let's see how this all plays out. He might be innocent to some degree...

 

[dand84]

Yes, MW made a terrible decision, but you are literally talking about destroying his life for something that someone else did.

You need your head examined. Someone else didn't send a girl a video of her having sex with (or being assaulted by) 2 guys, Mo did. Someone else didn't tell her "remember this hoe". Mo did.

He deserves a second chance somewhere else. I don't want that kind of scum anywhere around me or anything I love, such as NU.

 

[Baxter48_rivals204143]

Depends on what you mean by second chance. It is odd that people seem to think that not being able play football is "destroying their life." I hope for Hunt and Washington's sake that is nowhere close to the truth. There is a lot more to life than playing very trivial game. They can be given a second chance to pursue life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. Being on a football team is an entirely different kind of privilege.

I'm no where near a expert and it's complicated a gray area which I hate, life should be simple yes no right-wrong, the issue to me is where as a person is born and grew, up your social economical back ground. You take kids that come from the inner city of a really poor place there only way out is a sports scholarship
So sadly in some ways by kicking him off would probably be destroying his life sending him back to a life where prison or drug runner gang banger is probably a good possibility

 

[mgbreeze]

t is odd that people seem to think that not being able play football is "destroying their life."

Honestly football should be the least of Mo's concerns. He and his attorney should be focused solely on not ending up on a sex offender registry. THAT is life destroying to a large extent.

 

[RealTucoSalamanca]

I'm no where near a expert and it's complicated a gray area which I hate, life should be simple yes no right-wrong, the issue to me is where as a person is born and grew, up your social economical back ground. You take kids that come from the inner city of a really poor place there only way out is a sports scholarship
So sadly in some ways by kicking him off would probably be destroying his life sending him back to a life where prison or drug runner gang banger is probably a good possibility

Do you know what Washington's socio-economic background is? In all the things I've read, I must have missed that he grew up in poverty and the inner city. Typically, in the fluff pieces about the athlete's life, they write about, when one parent is no longer in the picture, how the family struggled financially, or they describe the home life of dealing with gang influences and the tough choices a player has to make between gangs and sports. Maybe I have missed this, if so I apologize.

 

[mgbreeze]

The article in the OWH this morning has a lot more detail from law enforcement affidavits. Doesn't look good to me.

 

[artguy68]

I'm no where near a expert and it's complicated a gray area which I hate, life should be simple yes no right-wrong, the issue to me is where as a person is born and grew, up your social economical back ground. You take kids that come from the inner city of a really poor place there only way out is a sports scholarship
So sadly in some ways by kicking him off would probably be destroying his life sending him back to a life where prison or drug runner gang banger is probably a good possibility

Are you saying this because he is black? That's the only reason I see why you make such an assumption. He grew up in an upper middle class Dallas suburb.

Aside from that poor judgment, let me just say that I live in Detroit, and I can tell you that sports are the only way for these kids to get out of the hood is a complete myth. It is a cynical justification for people to pour money into inner city sports programs at schools while class sizes close in on 50 and nobody has adequate supplies.

 

[MOHUSKER]

Are you saying this because he is black? That's the only reason I see why you make such an assumption. He grew up in an upper middle class Dallas suburb.

Aside from that poor judgment, let me just say that I live in Detroit, and I can tell you that sports are the only way for these kids to get out of the hood is a complete myth. It is a cynical justification for people to pour money into inner city sports programs at schools while class sizes close in on 50 and nobody has adequate supplies.

Actually, he grew up in South San Jose, California, he moved to Texas for a few months his senior year, got expelled and moved back to California.

 

[Baxter48_rivals204143]

Are you saying this because he is black? That's the only reason I see why you make such an assumption. He grew up in an upper middle class Dallas suburb.

Aside from that poor judgment, let me just say that I live in Detroit, and I can tell you that sports are the only way for these kids to get out of the hood is a complete myth. It is a cynical justification for people to pour money into inner city sports programs at schools while class sizes close in on 50 and nobody has adequate supplies.

Did I ever mention race?

 

[RealTucoSalamanca]

Actually, he grew up in South San Jose, California, he moved to Texas for a few months his senior year, got expelled and moved back to California.

Ok, answer my question. I didn't mention race at all.

 

[Baxter48_rivals204143]

Do you know what Washington's socio-economic background is? In all the things I've read, I must have missed that he grew up in poverty and the inner city. Typically, in the fluff pieces about the athlete's life, they write about, when one parent is no longer in the picture, how the family struggled financially, or they describe the home life of dealing with gang influences and the tough choices a player has to make between gangs and sports. Maybe I have missed this, if so I apologize.

My apologies I thought I read somewhere that he came from a poor area, I can't find the article. If he didn't Then it's my fault for profiling and that's not my intention

 

[RealTucoSalamanca]

My apologies I thought I read somewhere that he came from a poor area, I can't find the article. If he didn't Then it's my fault for profiling and that's not my intention

It's cool, I was just looking for something that said he was in the situation you described. I hadn't seen that and was wondering if you had.

 

[Harry Caray]

My apologies I thought I read somewhere that he came from a poor area, I can't find the article. If he didn't Then it's my fault for profiling and that's not my intention

He lost his father at a young age to cancer, but I don't believe he came from a poor area. He grew up in the Silicon Valley/San Jose area.

 

[Spartanhusker]

I LOVE it when we can admit we made mistakes...the Good Lord knows I need to do it at LEAST 20 times a day(30 if you ask my wife!)

 

[MOHUSKER]

Ok, answer my question. I didn't mention race at all.

Me either

 

[Baxter48_rivals204143]

It's cool, I was just looking for something that said he was in the situation you described. I hadn't seen that and was wondering if you had.

I appreciate your comments. The more technology we have less and less privacy. My wife and I don't have any children, I keep tell my nephews that if they get into trouble they might as well tell there parents as soon as possible, because everyone has a cellphone camera and a good chance someone has a picture of what you did. Back to Mo I don't have a answer, I have the little angel on one shoulder saying he's still a immature young man give him one last chance, and then the little devil on my other shoulder says he should go kick him off. 20 years ago we didn't have this type of issue, so what if it was weed or alcohol or joy riding in somebody's car, so if it was 20 years and a player got into trouble with one of the above would we be discussing his crime the same way? Or would we be saying oh nothing big. In reality his issue will child porn was stupid but did it hurt anyone compared if he was driving drunk or high on weed driving or take the neighbors car for a quick spin. I highly doubt this revenge porn makes it to one of the free porn sights on the internet. Again in no way am I condoning his actions

 

[3pointdog]

It wasn't to harm her? He sent her a copy of a video he

A) Likely knew she was expelled for and that she claimed was sexual assault
B) Likely knew that the spread of the video

You need your head examined. Someone else didn't send a girl a video of her having sex with (or being assaulted by) 2 guys, Mo did. Someone else didn't tell her "remember this hoe". Mo did.

He deserves a second chance somewhere else. I don't want that kind of scum anywhere around me or anything I love, such as NU.

My daughter who is now a freshman in college was invited to a group text where boys had added her & some other girls back to a chat on multiple occasions where they were sexting pictures of their junk. These kids were 17. They could have legally been pursued for child pornography. I am so thankful that nothing happened to them. It’s not the kids fault, it’s their parents IMO, if you don’t know better than that it’s because you weren’t raised right. You can claim the moral high ground all you want, it just was terrible decision making on his part IMO. It will be dealt with legally & that will be the end of it. Take it or lose it, it’s just my opinion that typically when it doesn’t get reported initially it’s because it was consensual. I’m making a lot of assumptions just as you are. I’m over it though, it doesn’t matter to me if he plays another down for NU or not, but for his sake I hope it works out.

 

[MOHUSKER]

My daughter who is now a freshman in college was invited to a group text where boys had added her & some other girls back to a chat on multiple occasions where they were sexting pictures of their junk. These kids were 17. They could have legally been pursued for child pornography. I am so thankful that nothing happened to them. It’s not the kids fault, it’s their parents IMO, if you don’t know better than that it’s because you weren’t raised right. You can claim the moral high ground all you want, it just was terrible decision making on his part IMO. It will be dealt with legally & that will be the end of it. Take it or lose it, it’s just my opinion that typically when it doesn’t get reported initially it’s because it was consensual. I’m making a lot of assumptions just as you are. I’m over it though, it doesn’t matter to me if he plays another down for NU or not, but for his sake I hope it works out.

So you’ve taught your daughter that someone sending unwanted pictures of a sexual nature, which is against the law, is not that big of deal. But I guess that’s not your fault because your parents didn’t teach you any better?

 

[3pointdog]

So you’ve taught your daughter that someone sending unwanted pictures of a sexual nature, which is against the law, is not that big of deal. But I guess that’s not your fault because your parents didn’t teach you any better?

Uh yeah, I can put things in perspective. Lay a hand on my daughter & I’ll burn you down where you stand. If you’re 17 & you send her pictures of your crotch & I’ll tell you not to do it again & go about my business, but then again hurting someone else does not make me feel better or like justice has been served.