I get it. You don’t think there was enough. Many did. Many didn’t. No one is unbiased when it comes to the patriots. I’m asking do you truly think it touched him? Not “I can’t rule it out”. Yes or no.
Refs are ruining the NFL
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I get it. You don’t think there was enough. Many did. Many didn’t. No one is unbiased when it comes to the patriots. I’m asking do you truly think it touched him? Not “I can’t rule it out”. Yes or no.
I think it "possibly" touched his left hand finger tips. I can't definitely say yes, but also can't definitely say no. That is the honest truth. My gut feeling is that it touched his left finger tips
Inconclusive IMO which is why they need to go with the ruling on the field. Which is why I feel these refs did not do their job on multiple key calls in the game. Including the PI on Gronk, but I am not concerned about missed calls that don't dictate the outcome
The Hogan catch and roughing were both on a game winning drive. That is the difference!
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Except, that’s not how it’s supposed to work. The ruling on the field was it touched him. How can that possibly be overturned? It is supposed to be clear and indisputable evidence to overturn the ruling on the field, not clear and indisputable evidence to rule against NE. How can the Hogan “catch” stand because it is inconclusive, but this gets overturned? That is no where near consistent.
It’s not inconsistent. They thought the video of the muff was conclusive. Bias people believe different. I think the Edelman catch was a catch by the new rules and the call stood. It’s only inconsistent if you want it to be and refuse to admit the video shows it didn’t touch him. Because it doesn’t touch him.
Exactly the double standard does not work here. Refs need to do their job... just like coaches... just like players... just like CEO's... just like McDonald's fry cooks
On the Hogan catch... The argument is he had control. When his arm hits the ball is moving. So me saying that is conclusive is just as biased as a ref saying it could not be overturned. There was clear evidence that ball was moving, by rule he did not have full possesion.
They are not consistent, there is no argument with that. The Roughing the Passer Call/No Call is exact evidence of that
The game winning drive was in overtime. There was no controversy there.
The muffed punt call had no effect on the game. The next play was a pick that kc scored a touchdown on. The rough could have made a difference and was a bad call. But the no offensive PI on KC for their last TD drive absolutely could have influenced the game, why no outrage over that? How about the Kelce pushing off on the dB on the play there was PI in the end zone? Or the fact that New England was called for a couple questionable PI/D holding while the Chiefs DB’s held gronk all night? Oh yeah, because you’re just upset the chiefs lost and not being objective. Granted, im probably not objective either as i wanted the pats to win but I’m also not a die hard pats fan. The refs were bad for both sides. It evened out.
No... NE doesn't get a TD to go up 31-28... That was the game winning drive and KC wins 28-24. You a Lawyer? You can spin anything into you favor even when there is no clear evidence you are correct
It would have been 3rd and 7. Brady converted those all night.
Continue glossing over the blatant pick play on Watkins 50 yard catch that put the Chiefs up 28-24.
And... you a fortune teller now? That means jack squat. We will never know, because of the refs blown calls. 3rd and 7 and a 4th and 8... does he make both of those? I guess of course he does, because he has before right?
It is the definition of inconsistent. The only one showing bias here is you. Pretending mistakes and inconsistencies don’t exist, because it is inconvenient for you. That was a very, very poorly officiated game and one team benefited from it big time. There really is no reason to deny it, the Pats still get to go to the Super Bowl, after all.
Both teams ran those against man all night, it was the Pats entire offense in the first half. You want more inconsistency that benefits the Pats? Wow.
And the pats got called for it. When did the chiefs get penalized? I must have missed it
Exactly. Football officiating is an abomination. 20 years ago, MLB was calling pitches a foot outside strikes in the playoffs. Then with questdec they introduced accountability to umpiring. Now people get upset if a pitch an inch outside is called a strike because the umpiring is so much better. It's a much, much better game now than before.
There was no evidence that the thumb touched the ball. The ball didn't change trajectory and there was no visual evidence that there was a touch. You might as well say no calls should be overturned because there COULD always be a missing camera angle that shows something different. It was a good call, no logical person would dispute any of the challenges. And the missed calls were balanced by other missed calls. The Chiefs had better players at nearly every position, but not the better team...patriots were smarter, tougher, and didn't play scared. Chiefs came out tight and finished tight. This is why the patriots are the greatest dynasty ever with the greatest coach ever and the greatest qb ever, and I hate them.
Must have watched different games. The Pats "entire offense" the first half was running the ball down the Chiefs' throat and playing keep away from Mahomes.
I think its pretty obvious you watched a different games than the rest of the world. The Pats ran that same pick play to the RB, repeatedly.
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I believe I am a logical person and I believe a different set of criteria were used on the two reviews. The “catch” is was just too close to over turn, even thought he ball was moving and hit the ground. While the muffed punt, which no one can see one way or the other, still, was reversed for some reason. The officiating was an abomination and one team clearly benefited, even if the refs are always right guy doesn’t want to admit it.
There were multiple bad calls, questionable calls and no-calls in both games yesterday. But KC wins that game if their DE simply lines up onside late in the game instead of WAY into the neutral zone, drawing an offside and negating a Chiefs' interception that would have clinched the game. Any good high school coach would have kicked a player's *** for that one.
Still waiting for you to address the fact that the patriots got called for OPI for that play and the chiefs didn’t. And why asking for the chiefs to be called for a play where their WR basically tackled the NE DB is inconsistent. In the last 3 minutes. On a play that went for like 40 yards and could have impacted the outcome. Which is what all the people on this board are upset about. Bad officiating that affected the outcome of the game...unlike the muff with good video evidence.
Your case is that, since the Patriots were called for one OPI means it was well officiated? Wow
Great strawman. I’ve stated multiple times in this thread that it was poorly officiated. I just think it went both ways, which you seem incapable of admitting. That the officiating didn’t give one side or another an advantage. You also stated both teams ran that so it was ok...but yet only the pats got called and the blatant one by the chiefs with the game on the line is supposed to be ok?
Exactly. If Dee Ford lined up onside like he did for the other 90 plays of the game,everyone is asking whether Brady is finished because he had a 3 INT game in the AFC title game.
Half right? Lol. I present you clear and obvious evidence that the chiefs had game influencing calls go their way that the patriots didn’t get and you still can’t admit that it was equally poor on both sides.
Your bias undeniable and this conversation isn’t going anywhere as you aren’t open to acknowledging fact and reason. Have a good one, we’ll be on the same side come August.
Your bias undeniable and this conversation isn’t going anywhere as you aren’t open to acknowledging fact and reason. Have a good one, we’ll be on the same side come August.
Agree, the refs should not be a factor in deciding a game. The only way to avoid that is to have replays on every penalty or missed penalty, in many cases. I know many would say it would slow the game way down. Basically like there are refs on the field. There would be refs in the booth with monitors too. They would each be looking for specific thing, just like refs do on the field. If they spot something missed or not called correctly they buzz down to the refs on the field. I really don't think it would slow the game down much. Most of the time we can all see the missed or poor call in about 2 seconds of watching a replay. That no call last night for the saints would have probably sent them to the super bowl.
I think the biggest problem is most of the rules are not very defined lot of gray area. For example holding, well now you can grab the Jersey as long and the offensive linemen hand are inside. Wtf that's still holding. Years ago the defender couldn't touch the receivers now it continue grabbing and pushing. A catch was you hang onto the dam ball anytime it touches the ground it was incomplete, now the rule is so vague it takes a lawyer to interpret it. You want to make football enjoyable again go back most of the old rule. Its no wonder the refs are so inconsistent. But this is just my opinion!!!
Shine... it is all about the timing of the bad officiating against the Saints and Chiefs that is getting everyone worked up.
Hey the no call on the fademask of Goff could have cost the rams the game. They had to settle for a Fg instead of burning more time and getting a td which would have made KC have to score a td.with probably much less time on the clock to have to get the TD. Even if u give the saints the PI that wasnt called they still may not have won the game.
In fact I doubt they would have won the game had the Goff facemask been called in the first place.
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On that Edelman no touch punt, no one angle proved that he didnt touch it, but when u looked at all the possible times where he could have touched it, a different angle showed he didnt. So yes that was conclusive evidence that he didnt touch it that is why it was overturned. Even parrera guy they talked to in the booth agreed he never touched it.
That play was no different then looking at different angles to tell if a guy had a catch or not, this just happened to be a different type of play where all angles were looked at to check to make sure he didnt make contact.
Edelman also didnt act like a guy that touched the ball, he flat out said right away "i never touched it" as soon as it went by him.
That play was no different then looking at different angles to tell if a guy had a catch or not, this just happened to be a different type of play where all angles were looked at to check to make sure he didnt make contact.
Edelman also didnt act like a guy that touched the ball, he flat out said right away "i never touched it" as soon as it went by him.
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Pick play under 3 minutes go for 40 yards and leads to KC’s go ahead TD and yet it’s the chiefs that got untimely officiating? You can see where I find that laughable, right?
All of the angles showed he didn't touch it...there were at least 2 where you could see space between his fingers and ball the entire time. And the one where the thumb was obscured didn't show any change in trajectory. Bunch of butt hurt chiefs fans...and although their players are cool I had forgotten how fricken annoying their fans are...combination of kansas and missouri blended together. Chiefs are probably in the superbowl if their rb doesn't get caught beating woman...although under review I am sure chiefs fans would say the video was inconclusive and his eligibility not be overturned.
I thought the video angles shown during the game were 100% conclusive that he did not touch the ball. There was an angle for each potential touch-point and each one individually proved it. That one was a great example of using replay effectively.
The angle from the other side shows the ball was a few inches away from his thumb and never touched it, i mean u could see the space between his thumb and the ball. That is why I said u had to look at all the angles they had, but when u did it was prett clear ir never hit him.
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What a historically idiotic post, congrats. You do realize KC kicked Hunt off the team right? If you are OK with officials interpreting things like roughing the passer and conclusive video eveidence differently through the game to the benefit of one team, fine, that’s your prerogative, I’m sure you will feel the same when Nebraska is on the other side of these kind of calls in the fall.
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