Chester Graves
- Thread starter Dicky Broseph
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So do you have any info on why we are getting the cold shoulder here? Is it grades/BIG too strict or just has something against Nebraska? Just wants to be a southern player? You would think most would at least listen. But from what i am reading here it seems pretty clear and mutual between player and program, it's been nice to know ya..... Thanks if you can expand on this
At this point, you should probably go ask Chester himself why he thinks the way he does.
He seems to be an "interesting" guy. I'm not sure he would be a great fit at NU. Good luck to him wherever he ends up.
Just what I read and can infer from his not ever visiting or talking about Nebraska and Nebraska not making trips western Iowa.
The majority of my post was about the potential overstating of IWCC recruits. I just wanted to know the number of P5 and Top 25 program recruits they’ve had.
I meant no harm, I was just curious if they have a bunch of MAC or AAC or MWC players or if there was truly 15 legit P5 players every year.
Some have said that he would be another tweener in our 3-4 defense. He's ideally a 4-3 defensive end according to some.
Here is what i found for P5 players from each team(year listed is football season):
2017: 8
2016: 10
2015: 7
2014: 6
2013: 6
2012: 15
2011: 7
2010: 6
2009: 3(inaugural season)
Those are the FBS P5 commits. I included schools like Rutgers and Louisville who may not have been a power 5 conference at the time as I am not 100% sure when a lot of these changes happen. There are a lot of other players who ended up at places like Memphis, Houston and Cincinnati, who have been pretty decent lately.
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this was discussed on HR. he was a Missippippi State recruit. he does no plan on taking any visits until the All star games are played. his grades were fine when this was discussed
as for the players that they have go to P5 Programs these are the ones that are at Iowa
Walk on WR Easley a JUCO AA
RB Sargeant JUCO 1st Team AA who ran for 176 yards on 26 carries vs Nebraska.
DT Nixon JUCO Top 50 #11 DT
to my point IWCC puts out a lot of P5 talent. also not all JUCO's get players that are at risk academically. some go because they didn't get thwe offers that they feel they should have gotten out of High School so they go the JUCO Route to prove that they should not have been slighted/over looked.
as for the players that they have go to P5 Programs these are the ones that are at Iowa
Walk on WR Easley a JUCO AA
RB Sargeant JUCO 1st Team AA who ran for 176 yards on 26 carries vs Nebraska.
DT Nixon JUCO Top 50 #11 DT
to my point IWCC puts out a lot of P5 talent. also not all JUCO's get players that are at risk academically. some go because they didn't get thwe offers that they feel they should have gotten out of High School so they go the JUCO Route to prove that they should not have been slighted/over looked.
Adding to 2 pages of discussion over a recruit that
1) our staff has shown zero interest in and
2) has shown zero interest in our program
Personally, I believe he does
1) our staff has shown zero interest in and
2) has shown zero interest in our program
Personally, I believe he does
He has a few offers with Nebraska being one. He has no interest in being recruited right now. He wants to focus on what he is doing that is from an article earlier this fall.
Is this what our staff sends to their recruits? RollingLaugh
You can't treat Jucos like HS kids though...a highly rated juco is not the same as a 4 star HS kid...as we saw this year Juco kids have an internal clock that is always ticking...they do not want to wait for process or watch a team develop, or help with depth. They want to play immediately and then jump to the league. A freshman gets 4 years and 4 games...most jucos get 2-3 years...most have academic issues in the past. Some like Cam Newton can overcome their situation...but very few jucos end up All-americans or stars...and they can cause leadership problems on the team as they are less likely to participate in the culture of a team. They are basically mercenaries in your army...you want most of your soldiers to go through regimented training from basic on up, mercenaries bring a different experience and different needs.
It's pretty unusual for a highly rated juco kid like Graves to get so few offers and take (apparently) zero official visits at this point. That usually points toward academic concerns although I have no inside information. We're usually right on top of kids out of Kansas City and they seem to usually be interested in us as well. But lately that hasn't been the case with some of the better kids out of KC and I think our less than sterling won-loss record and poor performance on national TV under Pelini & Riley could come into play there.
JUCO's are a good source to fill a immediate need.
ISU needed big DL and went and got 2 out of California and both had a immediate impact
2 years ago Iowz needed a WR and they brought in Easley out of IWCC and he led the team in catches and yards
last year they needed a RB and they got Sargeant out of IWCC a 1st Team JUCO AA and he led Iowa in rushing this season
those are a few of the successful recruits, KSU Snyder made a living off of JUCO players
in Nebraska's case you can take a couple to plug into a area of need to add to the incoming FR and not hurt the team. but it can/will actually help.
A naked blonde walks into a bar, a poodle under one arm and a 2 foot salami under the other, the bartender says I suppose you won’t be needing a drink, the blonde says........
I think they are fools gold...yes, you can occasionally find one but the fact you have to look at all points to systemic issues in your program. Of course, NU was in serious sh!7 before Frost got here, and our depth took a massive hit. So getting a few could keep us from a collapse, the problem is they give the impression of a full scholarship player...so bringing in 4 or 5 in a class gives the impression that you filled your class...and if they are 4 stars they might boost your ranking quite a bit. But in reality they are not full scholarship players...more like half scholarship players, they still have to be trained, taught scheme, and often integrated into the culture, except they have half the time. I think Frost has the right mindset about them, a healthy program doesn't need them, ever because there will always be a talented freshman or even a D1 transfer to plug in...we are not a healthy program and so they are a necessity.
Don't agree with any of this. Juco players are fine and have been amongst our best players over the last 10 years. The competition at the Juco level is much better than most high schools and the kids coming out of the juco level are much more physically developed than a kid out of high school. Yes they need to be brought up to speed quickly and some players certainly struggle with it. But it's been shown before jucos can be very valuable with several each year being major contributors for us over the last decade plus.
