Delany's botched B1G CFP plan

[inWV]

The commitment to 9 conference games when the SEC schedules a FCS team is a plan for few CFP appearances by the B1G.
https://www.omaha.com/huskers/footb...cle_89d23993-9b29-5eaf-9add-f01af4e01767.html

 

[WestCoastCornhusker2]

The SEC is all about gaming the system and cheating. The NCAA does nothing and asks the SEC to self regulate themselves, what a joke.

 

[Anon1727835823]

It isnt gaming the system, when there are no guidelines on how many conference games you need, or if you need a championship, etc.

 

[Redscarlet]

The commitment to 9 conference games when the SEC schedules a FCS team is a plan for few CFP appearances by the B1G.
https://www.omaha.com/huskers/footb...cle_89d23993-9b29-5eaf-9add-f01af4e01767.html

I’ve been saying this since they decided to go from 8 to 9..

Both the SEC and ACC only play 8 confernce games and another conference game jeopardizes the chance of losing a game that can knock you out of the playoffs when most SEC teams play FCS games the week before rivalry weekend..

 

[wolve1972]

I’ve been saying this since they decided to go from 8 to 9..

Both the SEC and ACC only play 8 confernce games and another conference game jeopardizes the chance of losing a game that can knock you out of the playoffs when most SEC teams play FCS games the week before rivalry weekend..

Which is exactly what happened to OSU the last two years. Both of their conference losses the last two years (Iowa and Purdue) are West crossover games and could be considered 9th games. Those losses knocked OSU out of the playoffs both years. Yes, OSU should have won both of those games but in those games both Iowa and Purdue were decent teams fully capable of springing an upset on anyone.

 

[inWV]

Take a look at Bama's schedule. Based on prior years, the F$U game was legit non-con, Fresno a decent mid-major. Basically the SEC schedules a FCS laugher and a lower D1 tomato can during the league play part of the season. In a way, these games function as additional bye weeks. This most certainly increases the probability of getting to the end of the season with few injuries to starters.

 

[Redscarlet]

Which is exactly what happened to OSU the last two years. Both of their conference losses the last two years (Iowa and Purdue) are West crossover games and could be considered 9th games. Those losses knocked OSU out of the playoffs both years. Yes, OSU should have won both of those games but in those games both Iowa and Purdue were decent teams fully capable of springing an upset on anyone.

But being the devils advocate here, we wouldn’t know if those games would have been scheduled over another West opponent like Minnesota over Purdue this year or Illinois over Iowa last season and I can’t use Nebraska because Delany made us a cross over rivalry with Ohio St from 2016-2019.

 

[Suhrreal]

Take a look at Bama's schedule. Based on prior years, the F$U game was legit non-con, Fresno a decent mid-major. Basically the SEC schedules a FCS laugher and a lower D1 tomato can during the league play part of the season. In a way, these games function as additional bye weeks. This most certainly increases the probability of getting to the end of the season with few injuries to starters.

It's more nefarious than that. Those weak teams help keep as many SEC teams as possible in the top 25 rankings to support the optics of the conference. Every year you'll see a bunch of SEC teams creep toward the top 10 at the start of the year. The first few one-loss, two-loss, three-loss teams in the top 25 always seem to be from the SEC over more deserving teams with fewer losses. Once you get to November where other conferences are playing each other and knocking each other down a peg, the SEC is regenerating their top 25 rankings across the board with easy wins. A loss is a loss no matter who you play and you go down in the rankings 99+% of the time. A win against Chattanooga Tech should be worthless and should not move you up in the rankings, but thanks to other conferences beating each other up it happens for the SEC.

Then when the playoff arguments start rolling in, the SEC loves to ask "who did you play? How many top 25 teams?" lol

 

[TheBeav815]

It's more nefarious than that. Those weak teams help keep as many SEC teams as possible in the top 25 rankings to support the optics of the conference. Every year you'll see a bunch of SEC teams creep toward the top 10 at the start of the year. The first few one-loss, two-loss, three-loss teams in the top 25 always seem to be from the SEC over more deserving teams with fewer losses. Once you get to November where other conferences are playing each other and knocking each other down a peg, the SEC is regenerating their top 25 rankings across the board with easy wins. A loss is a loss no matter who you play and you go down in the rankings 99+% of the time. A win against Chattanooga Tech should be worthless and should not move you up in the rankings, but thanks to other conferences beating each other up it happens for the SEC.

Then when the playoff arguments start rolling in, the SEC loves to ask "who did you play? How many top 25 teams?" lol

This is a better argument than whining about OSU having one loss to a crossover opponent. If Bama had scheduled Purdue 2-3 years ago we'd have called it a cupcake game. There's no way of knowing if you beat a given opponent whether they are an FBS non-con or a conference opponent.

What you CAN guarantee is that in an extra week of your conference teams playing each other, you pass out an additional L to half your conference. And those Ls weigh a hell of a lot more than the Ws the other half of the teams get.

I have zero sympathy for teams that don't win all their games missing the playoff. Win the games, period. That said, we still need an 8-team playoff. Then you add in OSU, Georgia, UCF and one other at large.

 

[jedimasterjed]

The bottom line is that Delaney is about making an extra dollar and the SEC is about playing for National Championships.

If Nebraska and Ohio state continue to play every year, the odds either one of them finishing 13 and 0 are very unlikely. Teams like Iowa have a better chance to go 13 and 0 since their out of conference schedule is always easy and they always get a much easier cross over schedule.

 

[RedCap_rivals330392]

The real solution IMO is to change the playoff to an 8 team event with each of the P5 conference winners getting a guaranteed spot and 3 picks from the best of the rest. This would help equalize the conference chances and provide a legit opportunity for other teams like UCF to have a chance. It would also make winning your conference a meaningful achievement as it would guarantee a ticket to the final playoffs.

 

[RealTucoSalamanca]

Which is exactly what happened to OSU the last two years. Both of their conference losses the last two years (Iowa and Purdue) are West crossover games and could be considered 9th games. Those losses knocked OSU out of the playoffs both years. Yes, OSU should have won both of those games but in those games both Iowa and Purdue were decent teams fully capable of springing an upset on anyone.

If they had lost those games 27-24, the loses coud have been overlooked as bumps in the road, 55-24 and 49-20 beat downs are not insignificant margins.

 

[RealTucoSalamanca]

It's more nefarious than that. Those weak teams help keep as many SEC teams as possible in the top 25 rankings to support the optics of the conference. Every year you'll see a bunch of SEC teams creep toward the top 10 at the start of the year. The first few one-loss, two-loss, three-loss teams in the top 25 always seem to be from the SEC over more deserving teams with fewer losses. Once you get to November where other conferences are playing each other and knocking each other down a peg, the SEC is regenerating their top 25 rankings across the board with easy wins. A loss is a loss no matter who you play and you go down in the rankings 99+% of the time. A win against Chattanooga Tech should be worthless and should not move you up in the rankings, but thanks to other conferences beating each other up it happens for the SEC.

Then when the playoff arguments start rolling in, the SEC loves to ask "who did you play? How many top 25 teams?" lol

The Big Ten **** the bed this year. There are only 7 teams with a winning record, 2 teams with 6-6 and 2 teams with 7-5. That leaves 5 teams Iowa, Northwestern, Penn St, Michigan and Ohio St with 8 wins or better. If you look at the CFP poll, only Iowa is an unranked Big Ten team with 8-4 record. If the Big Ten teams, like Wisconsin and Michigan St, hadn't **** the bed, the conference schedule looks tougher. But when the best record in the West is 8-4 or 8-5, meh

 

[RealTucoSalamanca]

If they had lost those games 27-24, the loses coud have been overlooked as bumps in the road, 55-24 and 49-20 beat downs are not insignificant margins.

additionally, had the "powers" in the west, Wisconsin and Iowa, done what they were supposed to do this season, Ohio St wouldn't have had to play 8-4 Northwestern in the title game. A CCG against 10th ranked Wisconsin, (where they were supposed to be) looks better than a CCG win over Northwestern.

 

[inWV]

additionally, had the "powers" in the west, Wisconsin and Iowa, done what they were supposed to do this season, Ohio St wouldn't have had to play 8-4 Northwestern in the title game. A CCG against 10th ranked Wisconsin, (where they were supposed to be) looks better than a CCG win over Northwestern.

The B1G is down a bit this year. But the point is that even if it weren't, the league ties a hand behind its back by scheduling a ninth league game. If the B1G scheduled like the SEC, half the league would have an additional win on its record.

 

[RealTucoSalamanca]

The B1G is down a bit this year. But the point is that even if it weren't, the league ties a hand behind its back by scheduling a ninth league game. If the B1G scheduled like the SEC, half the league would have an additional win on its record.

Oklahoma played 9 league games. Washington played 9 league games in 2016.

 

[NikkiSixx_rivals269993]

The Big Ten Sucks. It sucked before we joined it, and we didn't make it better.. in fact, now we suck too. Maybe things change next year for us, or not, but we are quickly coming up on a decade of being in the B1G, and it has been nothing but suckage. Please God, get us out of this conference somehow.

 

[MOhusker12]

I’ve been saying this since they decided to go from 8 to 9..

Both the SEC and ACC only play 8 confernce games and another conference game jeopardizes the chance of losing a game that can knock you out of the playoffs when most SEC teams play FCS games the week before rivalry weekend..

It causes nine Big Ten teams an extra loss, thus making the conference look weaker in peoples eyes because of the losses. IF you replace those nine games with FCS opponents like the SEC it props up your win totals and makes everyone in the conference look stronger. It is really this simple. It is a great strategy for the SEC and they have benefited the most.

 

[litespeedhuskerfan_rivals19671]

The Big Ten Sucks. It sucked before we joined it, and we didn't make it better.. in fact, now we suck too. Maybe things change next year for us, or not, but we are quickly coming up on a decade of being in the B1G, and it has been nothing but suckage. Please God, get us out of this conference somehow.

I agree with a lot of what you said, but you can't really want out can you??? Where would we go? PS-I hated the move as much as anyone...but "This is the life we have chosen"....

 

[KentJorg]

The Big Ten Sucks. It sucked before we joined it, and we didn't make it better.. in fact, now we suck too. Maybe things change next year for us, or not, but we are quickly coming up on a decade of being in the B1G, and it has been nothing but suckage. Please God, get us out of this conference somehow.

aac bestest conference ucf and memphis beat osu and michigan by 200 BILLION

 

[RealTucoSalamanca]

I agree with a lot of what you said, but you can't really want out can you??? Where would we go? PS-I hated the move as much as anyone...but "This is the life we have chosen"....

$51 million in payout this year for Nebraska, compared to $34 million for Big 12 team.

 

[Redscarlet]

Oklahoma played 9 league games. Washington played 9 league games in 2016.

But the SEC and ACC don’t and should that is the point of this subject..

 

[GeorgeFlippin]

aac bestest conference ucf and memphis beat osu and michigan by 200 BILLION

You’re a smart boy, aren’t you?

 

[KentJorg]

You’re a smart boy, aren’t you?

yes me bestest ucf fan and highly inteligent to

 

[Husker.Wed._rivals]

The Big Ten Sucks. It sucked before we joined it, and we didn't make it better.. in fact, now we suck too. Maybe things change next year for us, or not, but we are quickly coming up on a decade of being in the B1G, and it has been nothing but suckage. Please God, get us out of this conference somehow.

We'd feel better if we were relevant in football. Over the last few years we'd be just as irrelevant in any other conference as this one. Hopefully that will change soon. I bet John Cook doesn't have heartburn with the B1G.

 

[gw2kpro]

The Big Ten Sucks. It sucked before we joined it, and we didn't make it better.. in fact, now we suck too. Maybe things change next year for us, or not, but we are quickly coming up on a decade of being in the B1G, and it has been nothing but suckage. Please God, get us out of this conference somehow.

Our suckage in football has nothing to do with the BIG.

In fact, we are positioned quite well to be playing for titles in the near future.

But it's up to us to quit sucking.

 

[GeorgeFlippin]

yes me bestest ucf fan and highly inteligent to

Of course you are.

 

[TruHusker]

additionally, had the "powers" in the west, Wisconsin and Iowa, done what they were supposed to do this season, Ohio St wouldn't have had to play 8-4 Northwestern in the title game. A CCG against 10th ranked Wisconsin, (where they were supposed to be) looks better than a CCG win over Northwestern.

The B1G is down a bit this year. But the point is that even if it weren't, the league ties a hand behind its back by scheduling a ninth league game. If the B1G scheduled like the SEC, half the league would have an additional win on its record.

Simply scheduling a 9th “league game” to me doesn’t make the big difference. There are more variables than that. So what you are wanting are the top teams in the League to play the bottom feeders so things even out? Does that make it better?

The argument that SEC teams get a break with a weak team could be seen as a disadvantage. If a B1G goes undefeated, I would say that team would be very ready for what comes their way. Teams within conferences can be up and down through the years so there is fixing that when you schedule years in advance.

All this shows that the uphill climb for Nebraska is even much bigger than most think. Maybe getting to the CCG is doable soon as we saw a Northwestern team get there with a 8 win team.

Until someone can show that the bottom four of an eight team bracket actually have a chance to win, good luck with changes.

 

[spinner4_rivals42045]

$51 million in payout this year for Nebraska, compared to $34 million for Big 12 team.

Soooo it’s only about $$$$

 

[RealTucoSalamanca]

Soooo it’s only about $$$$

Always has been, always will be.

 

[Trumplestiltskin]

The Big Ten **** the bed this year. There are only 7 teams with a winning record, 2 teams with 6-6 and 2 teams with 7-5. That leaves 5 teams Iowa, Northwestern, Penn St, Michigan and Ohio St with 8 wins or better. If you look at the CFP poll, only Iowa is an unranked Big Ten team with 8-4 record. If the Big Ten teams, like Wisconsin and Michigan St, hadn't **** the bed, the conference schedule looks tougher. But when the best record in the West is 8-4 or 8-5, meh

Actually, Michigan **** the bed. Their best team in ages and they lose to a down OSU big time...and OSU’s best player quit early in the year. This is all irrelevant if Michigan doesn’t choke.

 

[RealTucoSalamanca]

Actually, Michigan **** the bed. Their best team in ages and they lose to a down OSU big time...and OSU’s best player quit early in the year. This is all irrelevant if Michigan doesn’t choke.

Bosa is a nice player, but they have 2 other guys that will also be high draft picks that took over quite nicely.

Yes Michigan should have played better against tOSU, but that isn't why tOSU is not in the CFP

 

[Hugo_Stiglitz7]

aac bestest conference ucf and memphis beat osu and michigan by 200 BILLION

You spelled "bestest" wrong. I'm sure you meant to write "beastest".

 

[Redscarlet]

You spelled "bestest" wrong. I'm sure you meant to write "beastest".

Don’t worry he’s just a dork-a-meyer trying to get a rise.

 

[cecilB]

The bottom line is that Delaney is about making an extra dollar and the SEC is about playing for National Championships.

If Nebraska and Ohio state continue to play every year, the odds either one of them finishing 13 and 0 are very unlikely. Teams like Iowa have a better chance to go 13 and 0 since their out of conference schedule is always easy and they always get a much easier cross over schedule.

This blatantly false. Iowa crosses over with PSU, played 2 bowl teams in non conf...3 in non conf last year. I know, it doesn’t fit the narothat Iowa sucks

 

[oldjar07]

The Big 10 has had good teams, but in the last few years there hasn't been a team deserving of a top 4 spot. Michigan, Penn State, Wisconsin looked promising, but none could get over the hump. Ohio State has been the Big 10's only shot, but getting your **** kicked in by Iowa and Purdue isn't going to get you there. The PAC only plays 8 games don't they. They haven't gotten in either because they haven't had a team that's good enough. The 9 game schedule may be a small factor but the main reason is the Big 10 hasn't produced an elite top 4 team in over 3 years.

 

[Charlie Marlow_rivals363743]

The Big 10 has had good teams, but in the last few years there hasn't been a team deserving of a top 4 spot. Michigan, Penn State, Wisconsin looked promising, but none could get over the hump. Ohio State has been the Big 10's only shot, but getting your **** kicked in by Iowa and Purdue isn't going to get you there. The PAC only plays 8 games don't they. They haven't gotten in either because they haven't had a team that's good enough. The 9 game schedule may be a small factor but the main reason is the Big 10 hasn't produced an elite top 4 team in over 3 years.

For the most part I agree with this

And anyway, the selection committee reorganizes their criteria every year anyway, so what's a conference commissioner to do?

 

[inWV]

tOSU has a habit of not showing up for games and it cost them the past two years.

 

[Blackshirt316]

Number of teams that played 10 P5 opponents this season.

Big 10 - 11
B12 - 9
P12 - 8
ACC - 5
SEC - 0

Number of games against FCS opponents
SEC - 15
ACC - 14
CUSA - 13
AAC - 12
MWC - 11
SunBelt - 10
The B10, P12 and B12 combined - 19

The B10 as a league played 2 FCS teams - and the number is only that high due to weather.

The whole SEC is the best is complete smoke and mirrors. They play weak ooc schedules, most of them refuse to leave the SEC footprint for road games and they play the majority of their bowl games essentially at home.

When an SEC team beats another SEC team it's a tough loss, when they lose by 20 it's a fluke. When they lose to another conference it's ignored completely because that team clearly got significantly better later in the year - they had to have since they are winning SEC games.

Oh and when an SEC team is losing to or is in a toght game with an inferior opponent before putting the game away in the 2nd half they "overwhelmed" the opponent. When other conferences do it they "survived".

 

[Blackshirt316]

The Big 10 has had good teams, but in the last few years there hasn't been a team deserving of a top 4 spot. Michigan, Penn State, Wisconsin looked promising, but none could get over the hump. Ohio State has been the Big 10's only shot, but getting your **** kicked in by Iowa and Purdue isn't going to get you there. The PAC only plays 8 games don't they. They haven't gotten in either because they haven't had a team that's good enough. The 9 game schedule may be a small factor but the main reason is the Big 10 hasn't produced an elite top 4 team in over 3 years.

The P12 plays 9.

The rest of this is nonsense. OSU was supposed to have snuck in a few years ago as a percieved "non elite team". They won the title.


The eye test is TRASH. Every single year so far there has been a concensus #1 team going into the playoffs that the eye test said was the best team. Not a single #1 seed has won a title in the playoff era.


Based on the eye test in the eyes of national perception as shown/dictated by the media:

1995 Nebraska would have been a 2 seed
2005 USC would have been a 1 seed.

That should be all the info you need to see a HUGE problem with using what people think they know as a legitimate ranking criteria.