Bad news for ya, Chins not going anywhere any time soon. If i heard properly on Mondays press conference, Scott isn't concerned with the number of points the defense gives up due to his style of offense. He believes it's unrealistic to have a top 25 defense with this style of offense. He prefers the defense to give up field goals instead of TD's, and get about 2-3 turnovers a game so the opposition has to play keep up to stay in the game. He wants the team wins by 2 scores and everything after that is icing on the cake.
For those wanting a new DC...
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Good defenses can get 2-3 turnovers a game and hold opponents to field goals instead of touchdowns. You don't have to have an average "attacking" style of defense to get those kind of results. Any coach should be concerned about how many points the defense gives up. You can have the best offense in college football, but if someone outscores you, you're still going to lose the game.
Are you listening? Frost isn’t concerned about being outscored. He’s going to outscore the other team. If the defense gets occasional stops, turnovers as well, he fully believes he will outscore the other teams hat is his strategy.
No matter how much you feel you know better, he doesn’t care. So buckle up for a bumpy ride.
You must have missed the open letter to Coach Frost. Once he reads that, changes will come for sure.
We'll see how this "outscore them" strategy works the next 2 weeks against Top 25 defenses. It didn't work too well against Michigan.
That strategy has produced 3 wins so far. I think Frost would love to have a better defense
Has anybody had a winning strategy against that Michigan defense? ND, I suppose, but first game of the season...
I’m not saying he wouldn’t love for his defense to be better... he would have to be stupid to be satisfied with this defense.
All I’m saying is he is less concerned about a top 25 defense than most posters on this board.
He is correct in saying the style of offense will many times dictate defensive rankings. But much of that is time of possession, based on what we have seen so far the offense is not snapping the ball quickly
It’s ludicrous not to give him more time, he has only been a coordinater for 3 years with two different teams..
Want to see what he and his asst. can do on the recruiting trail for the next 2 or 3 years and see if we can turn the corner on getting people in the program to pressure the passer without going on a full blown blitz’s.. We have to realize that he has aggressive mindset when it comes to defensive philosophy...
Want to see what he and his asst. can do on the recruiting trail for the next 2 or 3 years and see if we can turn the corner on getting people in the program to pressure the passer without going on a full blown blitz’s.. We have to realize that he has aggressive mindset when it comes to defensive philosophy...
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I think many are misinterpreting Coach Frost on this one. I can guarantee you, he cares about fielding a good/great defense. But with the style of play, it probably won't be shown in traditional yard per game, points per game type statistics, because of the increased number of possessions and plays. It's like a pressing team in basketball, just because they may give up more points, doesn't mean they aren't playing great defense. A 45-24 win is just as good as a 24-3 win.
No one wants a new DC. That would be dumb, 10 games into a new staff and considering we've had 4 DC's in what - 5 years? Everyone here is too football savvy to think that a new DC would be a smart move. Obviously these kids need consistency and comfort with coaching and scheme that they haven't had in years. The defense IS going to improve, but some people just want everything to happen instantly.
Oldjar07 wants a new defensive coordinator. He has been clear about this in several different threads. Even claimed, to support his argument, that having numerous coordinators year after year can be beneficial to players as they will be exposed to many different teachings and techniques and can pick and choose the ones that work best.
You're really going to compare the team now to the one that went to Michigan? Jeez Husker fans really are a tough bunch. Can you just enjoy the momentum we have built as the season has gone on? No you probably can't
Just wondering aloud when the last national champion did not have a defense ranked in the top 20 on the defensive side of the ball! There is a reason there is a saying that DEFENSE wins championships!
Reading this thread, and threads over the last few days pointing out that Chin's defenses haven't been amazing anywhere he's gone, made me think of a few things:
Teams tend to be known for one thing or the other. Really good teams field offenses and defenses that are both as good as humanly possible for the program, but they tend to be favored on one side of the ball or the other. It is rare that a team has the #1 D and #1 O in the country. Now, about Frost's comments:
1.) That defense played amazing against Auburn. Sure, they were fired up, had a month off, and had Shaquem Griffin, but still, that was a damned impressive showing.
2.) Michigan State has the #1 defense in CFB right now. We have the #13 offense. Remember 1997? We had the #1 offense and something like the #25 defense. Michigan had the #1 defense and something like the #30 or #40 or so offense. We went up against a Tennessee team that was, I think, top 20 for both, but better on the O side.
Result: We crushed Tennessee, Michigan barely beat Washington State, and the consensus going away from 1997 is that we would have beaten Michigan had we played them.
I realize that we need the best D possible, but I kind of agree with Frost; O is how you win games. The more points you can put on the board, the more you just flat out deflate the other team's will to compete. Michigan State prides itself on fielding a savage D, year after year, and they never get to where they COULD get to if they focused instead on building a really points-crazy O and dialed down the D just a tad.
Now, I realize that a great example of a team that used O-first and was less good on D would be Oregon under Chip Kelly, and they never won a championship either. It's a fair critique, and my thought on that was that Oregon focused a little too much on speed and sacrificed size and durability for it. I don't think Frost is going to make that mistake here at Nebraska, and he has said as much.
Just some thoughts on the state of things.
Teams tend to be known for one thing or the other. Really good teams field offenses and defenses that are both as good as humanly possible for the program, but they tend to be favored on one side of the ball or the other. It is rare that a team has the #1 D and #1 O in the country. Now, about Frost's comments:
1.) That defense played amazing against Auburn. Sure, they were fired up, had a month off, and had Shaquem Griffin, but still, that was a damned impressive showing.
2.) Michigan State has the #1 defense in CFB right now. We have the #13 offense. Remember 1997? We had the #1 offense and something like the #25 defense. Michigan had the #1 defense and something like the #30 or #40 or so offense. We went up against a Tennessee team that was, I think, top 20 for both, but better on the O side.
Result: We crushed Tennessee, Michigan barely beat Washington State, and the consensus going away from 1997 is that we would have beaten Michigan had we played them.
I realize that we need the best D possible, but I kind of agree with Frost; O is how you win games. The more points you can put on the board, the more you just flat out deflate the other team's will to compete. Michigan State prides itself on fielding a savage D, year after year, and they never get to where they COULD get to if they focused instead on building a really points-crazy O and dialed down the D just a tad.
Now, I realize that a great example of a team that used O-first and was less good on D would be Oregon under Chip Kelly, and they never won a championship either. It's a fair critique, and my thought on that was that Oregon focused a little too much on speed and sacrificed size and durability for it. I don't think Frost is going to make that mistake here at Nebraska, and he has said as much.
Just some thoughts on the state of things.
points per play might be a better metric - we are 107th currently
defensive improvement will be something to look for the next couple of years - it would be a shame to continually field a defense that wipes out the efforts of a great offense and potentially a generational QB in Martinez. Defensive performance will ultimately determine if Frost will eventually be considered a great head coach in addition to being a great offensive coordinator.
This is exactly right, but I don’t know if most of the media even gets it, or maybe they do and they are just trying to soften the issue by acting like a bad defense isn’t that big of a deal. Naturally, if you give a team more opportunities to score and move the ball, the score and total yards per game should be up. The more relevant stat will be yards / points per play / possession. I am certain Frosts stomach is turning when he watches this D give up so many gash plays, but he is playing it down for now. This isn’t the defense he wants, and he isn’t ok with it, but sure as heck is going to give his guys some time to get it right. He needs some studs on that side of the ball.
Ohio St 2014 fits those parameters in 3 of 4 categories.
26th in scoring
34th in rushing
29th in passing
19th in total defense
I do think that is probably a better metric moving forward. We can all agree that our defense is a mess right now, but I'm not sure we all understand and/or accept what a good defense in this system will look like.
True Oregon never won the big one, but they were a dam good team year in and year out and were good enough to win a title in 2011, when they lost by 3 in the MNC game.
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If NU wants to win in all, the defense will have to be good enough to at least hold serve against teams like Bama, Clemson, Georgia, etc. So while the scheme of being opportunistic is potentially great, it will struggle in games against conservative offenses that feature sound play. Be opportunistic all you want, but in Power 5 football, stopping the running game is key.
Yeah I will be the first to admit I do like like the high point and yard totals we give up. I think this is just something we are going to have to get use to. It was very similar at UCF too I believe. Frost is more than content winning 55-35. If he can to that consistently in the BIG10 great. My concern is that it could be unrealistic to expect our offense or any offense to be about to put up 40+ points every week, in any league, let alone the D heavy BIG10.
So after game 10 of year 1 you're absolutely 100% certain that firing Chins is what needs to happen? Comparing Frost to Callahan in any way is so laughable.
Nebraska would perform better if they played currently, not sure how much, but that game was at a bad time in about 100 ways.
I think it is laughable that anyone thinks this D is the finished product for all time to come. The scheme is not built around missed tackles and missed assignments and mis-alignments. Cleaning up that silliness alone will improve this defense. Much like getting in the plus column in turnovers.
That might work for an occasional B1G title, but as long as some of the top SEC teams along with the Clemson’s of the world keep good to great defenses in their fold, National Titles won’t be likely, just ask Oregon when they had Mariota and their high powered offense, they couldn’t handle the physical beating that was rendered to them, and that was from Ohio State.
That said, I think the defense will get better in the next few years, just not NC good.
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Seems like some serious revisionists history with Oregon. Under chip Kelly they went:
10-3 #11
12-1 #3
12-2 #4
12-1 #2
And then the two years after he left:
11-2 #9
13-2 #2
I hope our future looks like that.
I think that the Michigan debacle was more than just an indictment on the "outscore them" strategy.
I'm sure that Frost wants a stout defense. I'd prefer to have a stifling, dominant defense.
But the "outscore them" strategy did pretty good at Oregon, so we'll have to see what happens here. It's going to take some time and patience.
Need to get some ballers on that side of the field, the talent to run their defense isn't there.