Enough crying about the D

[blackshirts25_rivals]

As a whole, this is a different style, tempo and philosophy of play that Frost is implementing (ever watch Oregon or UCF?). This is about offensive firepower, and takeaways for the Blackshirts. As this thing continues to take hold and wins keep coming, some of you thinking we’re going to win 54-0 with both offensive and defensive dominance need to relax and enjoy winning. Period.

No doubt in my mind that in years to come, as we continue to get our own guys on D, that it will improve (just like the turnovers have). But it will never be a shutout and shutdown operation due to how we play on O to outscore and break the wills of our opponents with talent and out-coaching.

 

[SoFL Husker]

How bout' that offense today!

 

[Harry Caray]

I understand the style, and a win is a win - but 500 yards to Illinois? Even Rutgers and Western Illinois held them under 400.

 

[ThereIsNoPlace_rivals38755]

As a whole, this is a different style, tempo and philosophy of play that Frost is implementing (ever watch Oregon or UCF?). This is about offensive firepower, and takeaways for the Blackshirts. As this thing continues to take hold and wins keep coming, some of you thinking we’re going to win 54-0 with both offensive and defensive dominance need to relax and enjoy winning. Period.

No doubt in my mind that in years to come, as we continue to get our own guys on D, that it will improve (just like the turnovers have). But it will never be a shutout and shutdown operation due to how we play on O to outscore and break the wills of our opponents with talent and out-coaching.

You mean our young NU warriors on the Husker defense don't suck, OP? It's the scheme? Coaches?

Don't tell slick, she won't feel like she's a better player than Dedrick.

 

[allfrostyforever]

As a whole, this is a different style, tempo and philosophy of play that Frost is implementing (ever watch Oregon or UCF?). This is about offensive firepower, and takeaways for the Blackshirts. As this thing continues to take hold and wins keep coming, some of you thinking we’re going to win 54-0 with both offensive and defensive dominance need to relax and enjoy winning. Period.

No doubt in my mind that in years to come, as we continue to get our own guys on D, that it will improve (just like the turnovers have). But it will never be a shutout and shutdown operation due to how we play on O to outscore and break the wills of our opponents with talent and out-coaching.

Think we can cry as much as went want given that pathetic performance on defense today. Absolute garbage. The offense has improved all year. Defense? Give me a break on the style of play on offense leads to poor defense. Absolute excuse and nothing more.

 

[redwine65]

I agree that frost system that can score points fast, will leave the defense on the field a lot more then just a grinding running offense.

so the defense will probably give up more points.
I don't have a problem with our current defense as far as effort.
we just need to get some more horses in recruiting.

the main thing right now is beating michigan state

 

[frankluv]

Not crying but the defense sucks. Very poor tackling. We HAVE to fix this defense.

 

[HominidHusker]

Defense matters. period.

What coaches have said is that given faster pace on offense, the total yards allowed might be higher because of # of possessions allowed. I’m ok with the concept that more opportunities for opponents may mean more yards than ideal. But missing assignments, leaky yards, lack of execution needs to improve. I still like where defense is trending for now.

 

[WestCoastCornhusker2]

Defense matters. period.

What coaches have said is that given faster pace on offense, the total yards allowed might be higher because of # of possessions allowed. I’m ok with the concept that more opportunities for opponents may mean more yards than ideal. But missing assignments, leaky yards, lack of execution needs to improve. I still like where defense is trending for now.

We are very lucky to win this game, our D is terrible. Without the punt return turnovers it's a tie game.

 

[TruHusker]

I agree that frost system that can score points fast, will leave the defense on the field a lot more then just a grinding running offense.

so the defense will probably give up more points.
I don't have a problem with our current defense as far as effort.
we just need to get some more horses in recruiting.

the main thing right now is beating michigan state

Tell me why it is that just because our offense scores quickly our defense can't stop anyone? So let's do this the other way, assume our O does a bunch of three and outs and can't score, then does our D get better? I am not buying any of those excuses. You could also say with the D being on the field they get more opportunity for fumbles and interceptions. Then throw in that teams should be playing from behind if in fact our O is scoring quickly, they become more one dimensional and should be easier to stop.

 

[Sporty]

Good Defenses do not give up over 300 yards rushing to Illinois. That is not acceptable and you cannot blame just the personnel for that. However poor tackling was a huge culprit and that is on players and coaches alike.

 

[Harry Caray]

Not crying but the defense sucks. Very poor tackling. We HAVE to fix this defense.

 

[GretnaShawn]

We tackled Bush extremely poorly. He slipped a lot of tackles and consistently got fell forward.

 

[Hedley Lemar]

Could probably re-print most of rheee comments each week. Need better players.

 

[oldjar07]

We're 104th in total defense, 109th in scoring defense. Our defense sucks and I see no improvement at all from last year. Meanwhile the offense is really starting to get going, and we're already top 15 in total offense. I don't see how anyone can pin our defensive issues on the offense.

 

[SoFL Husker]

One more time, a shout-out, to Chin's 3-4...

Goodnight

 

[redwine65]

Tell me why it is that just because our offense scores quickly our defense can't stop anyone? So let's do this the other way, assume our O does a bunch of three and outs and can't score, then does our D get better? I am not buying any of those excuses. You coukd also say with the D being on the field they get more opportunity for fumbles and interceptions. Then throw in that teams should be playing from behind if in fact our O is scoring quickly, they become more one dimensional and should be easier to stop.

read dr. tom osborne's book, more than winning..in it he said his farragamo and dave hum offense, scored fast and let his d be on the field all day, which was a problem cause 0u ran the bone, and would wear them down. thus in the 4th quarter score at will....so dr. tom went to more of a running offense. flash forward to tommie frazier offense grinding out 500 yards on the ground average, and them defenses were not on the field all day. dominate clock management...

Im not making excuses...if the defense misses tackles it's a problem, but I believe they are trying, so it maybe , as a said a need for more horses.

 

[brnred58]

Think we can cry as much as went want given that pathmanetic performance on defense today. Absolute garbage. The offense has improved all year. Defense? Give me a break on the style of play on offense leads to poor defense. Absolute excuse and nstraothing more.

Oh come on man ,Corbin has been a beast all year,Bunch played a great 1st half obviously we were trying to stop Corbin and made some bad reads and Bunch took advantage but I think they straighten things out,you would have noticed this if you weren't to busy trying to suck yourself off,Douchebag.

 

[mgbreeze]

I love it when someone says "if it wasn't for the turnovers it woulda been a tie game". SO WHAT? The turnovers actually happened. We won. If my aunt had balls she'd be my uncle.

 

[MikeRileyGBR]

As a whole, this is a different style, tempo and philosophy of play that Frost is implementing (ever watch Oregon or UCF?). This is about offensive firepower, and takeaways for the Blackshirts. As this thing continues to take hold and wins keep coming, some of you thinking we’re going to win 54-0 with both offensive and defensive dominance need to relax and enjoy winning. Period.

No doubt in my mind that in years to come, as we continue to get our own guys on D, that it will improve (just like the turnovers have). But it will never be a shutout and shutdown operation due to how we play on O to outscore and break the wills of our opponents with talent and out-coaching.

Ya but imagine if those Oregon and UCF teams had a defense. Offense is great and all but it's a lot easier for them when the other team is held to no points.

 

[Mack In Motion]

I love it when someone says "if it wasn't for the turnovers it woulda been a tie game". SO WHAT? The turnovers actually happened. We won. If my aunt had balls she'd be my uncle.

If it wasn't for turnovers we'd have a lot better record this season.

 

[F5Tornado]

I'd like to see Nebraska in a few years get to what Michigan is now on defense. Alabama, Clemson play like they practice on defense, and now so does Michigan. If in the next 2-3 years the Huskers can get close to that kind of defense with the offense running the way it is now, that would be fun to watch.

 

[VictoryRed]

Don't try selling that BS. Defense will always matter and trump offense. With you're outlook we will never win another NC. I'm not settling for what we've grown accustomed to the last few years.Im sure Frost won't either.

 

[oldjar07]

Don't try selling that BS. Defense will always matter and trump offense. With you're outlook we will never win another NC. I'm not settling for what we've grown accustomed to the last few years.Im sure Frost won't either.

Exactly you don't have to pick one or the other. You can have a dominant offense AND a dominant defense. So many people act like it's impossible to have both. It's not acceptable to have an average or below average defense just because our offense is great and able to win us most games.

 

[BigB87]

I don't think recognizing that our defense is not good and also recognizing that our offensive philosophy may affect our defensive stats are mutually exclusive.

Stats aside, our D doesn't pass the eyeball test of being even decent. Tackling is poor, we're out of position way too much, etc.. I do think our D is slightly improved over last year, but that really isn't saying much. I will echo what others have opined in saying that we are running a 3-4 without 3-4 personnel. Mick plays well and gives 100%, but the reality is he's not a 3-4 NT and not having an actual 3-4 NT is a BIG issue. I really think with our current personnel, we'd probably be better statistically if not have at least an additional win if we run a 4-3.

All of that being the case, it isn't crazy to expect to give up more yards given our offense's tendency to score quickly. You give an opposing offense more possessions, chances are they'll gain more yards and possibly even more points. Not a complicated concept. Honestly, a better metric to judge the defense on would probably be points per possession, but even in that metric we probably are doing poorly right now.

 

[oldjar07]

I don't think recognizing that our defense is not good and also recognizing that our offensive philosophy may affect our defensive stats are mutually exclusive.

Stats aside, our D doesn't pass the eyeball test of being even decent. Tackling is poor, we're out of position way too much, etc.. I do think our D is slightly improved over last year, but that really isn't saying much. I will echo what others have opined in saying that we are running a 3-4 without 3-4 personnel. Mick plays well and gives 100%, but the reality is he's not a 3-4 NT and not having an actual 3-4 NT is a BIG issue. I really think with our current personnel, we'd probably be better statistically if not have at least an additional win if we run a 4-3.

All of that being the case, it isn't crazy to expect to give up more yards given our offense's tendency to score quickly. You give an opposing offense more possessions, chances are they'll gain more yards and possibly even more points. Not a complicated concept. Honestly, a better metric to judge the defense on would probably be points per possession, but even in that metric we probably are doing poorly right now.

Mick is our best NT followed by Damien Daniels. If anybody else plays there, our whole defense gets their **** pushed in. I think we can make the 3-4 work with what we have, but I agree that a 4-3 would probably be better for what Chins is trying to accomplish.

I agree with you our fundamentals are poor. And if your fundamentals are poor, it doesn't really matter what you run scheme wise. 3-4 or 4-3, our results would be pretty similar as players are missing assignments, not tackling, and don't know how to fight off blocks.

 

[TribecaHusker]

As a whole, this is a different style, tempo and philosophy of play that Frost is implementing (ever watch Oregon or UCF?). This is about offensive firepower, and takeaways for the Blackshirts. As this thing continues to take hold and wins keep coming, some of you thinking we’re going to win 54-0 with both offensive and defensive dominance need to relax and enjoy winning. Period.

No doubt in my mind that in years to come, as we continue to get our own guys on D, that it will improve (just like the turnovers have). But it will never be a shutout and shutdown operation due to how we play on O to outscore and break the wills of our opponents with talent and out-coaching.

I understand and agree with your point. My frustration is that after weeks of gradual improvement, the rushing D just fell apart against what can be charitably described as a mediocre team. The D-line barely touched anyone — and were often moved 3-4 yards off the line. Folks comment that we did better in the 3rd Q, but this was mainly because the Offense controlled the clock. Why didn’t we key on containing Bush and make him throw to beat us? I know our talent is thin, but the lack of coaching adjustment is just hard to understand.

 

[GretnaShawn]

Mick is our best NT followed by Damien Daniels. If anybody else plays there, our whole defense gets their **** pushed in. I think we can make the 3-4 work with what we have, but I agree that a 4-3 would probably be better for what Chins is trying to accomplish.

I agree with you our fundamentals are poor. And if your fundamentals are poor, it doesn't really matter what you run scheme wise. 3-4 or 4-3, our results would be pretty similar as players are missing assignments, not tackling, and don't know how to fight off blocks.

Mick didn’t even play NT last game, he played DE.

 

[8th Street]

I'm as unhappy as anyone with our defensive struggles.

It's already been said before, but I'm repeating it:

With the late start to recruiting, Frost and company necessarily had to concentrate on offense this year, and you can see the results.

Right now, our philosophy is to score, score, and (out)score some more.

Maybe with more time this year (off-season) to think about and sign defensive recruits, at least some progress can be made.

We may never be a really strong defensive team like we remember from 20-30 years ago, but I think that's just football now. (I know, Alabama, Alabama, Alabama . . . )

 

[SoFL Husker]

Mick is our best NT followed by Damien Daniels. If anybody else plays there, our whole defense gets their **** pushed in. I think we can make the 3-4 work with what we have, but I agree that a 4-3 would probably be better for what Chins is trying to accomplish.

I agree with you our fundamentals are poor. And if your fundamentals are poor, it doesn't really matter what you run scheme wise. 3-4 or 4-3, our results would be pretty similar as players are missing assignments, not tackling, and don't know how to fight off blocks.

4-3 assignments are light years different, that defense gets more stops at the LOS with the same people we have on the roster right now.

Fair better qualify and Daniels needs to add another 10lbs of "good muscle." Neal needs to lock down a DE spot, and Stille, playing out of position, has to add even more weight to his frame.

Just a lot of unknown need to happen, to be even "descent" next year.

Oh and our 4Lbs, whomever they are, need to be way, way way better. That all has to happen. That's a lot of speculative improvement just to be "average" in a 3-4 in one year's time.

 

[oldjar07]

Mick didn’t even play NT last game, he played DE.

Yeah I know that. He probably needs to move back to NT, as we've got noone else besides maybe Daniel capable of playing the position.

 

[hskr_bdgr]

Think we can cry as much as went want given that pathetic performance on defense today. Absolute garbage. The offense has improved all year. Defense? Give me a break on the style of play on offense leads to poor defense. Absolute excuse and nothing more.

I’m not sure how anyone can say our defense was pathetic when we forced 8 turnovers and recovered 5 of them.

 

[dinglefritz]

We tackled Bush extremely poorly. He slipped a lot of tackles and consistently got fell forward.

This should NOT have been a surprise to anybody who has paid attention. All you had to do was go back and watch video of his last spring game at NU. The guy is a beast. Frost said after the game that he knew people had trouble bringing him down but he didn't realize how BIG he was. He said he's "bigger than I am". He's BIG and FAST. I posted several times least week that Bush worried me. He kept us just honest enough by making a few completions. You go try to tackle a 4.5 guy in the open field who weighs 225 and has good moves. I dare you. You're going to look like you never attempted to tackle anybody in your life. We have some very obvious weaknesses of personnel on D and they exploited it at times.

 

[WestCoastCornhusker2]

Think we can cry as much as went want given that pathetic performance on defense today. Absolute garbage. The offense has improved all year. Defense? Give me a break on the style of play on offense leads to poor defense. Absolute excuse and nothing more.

Exactly, same for offense new scheme coaches ect. ect. , when Bethune Cookman is moving easily there is a big problem with something or someone.

 

[blackshirts25_rivals]

Exactly, same for offense new scheme coaches ect. ect. , when Bethune Cookman is moving easily there is a big problem with something or someone.

Dude. It was 45-9.

 

[jlb321_rivals110621]

 

[chicolby]

I understand the style, and a win is a win - but 500 yards to Illinois? Even Rutgers and Western Illinois held them under 400.

They also didn’t have offensive firepower so they weren’t going up and down the field. That slows the game and time Illinois had with the ball.

 

[RedMyMind]

Let's first see how Iowa does next Saturday

 

[ADV88]

While there are many glaring issues with this Defense I will say that I've noticed a lot more hands on the ball and attempts at a strip than I can remember in a long time... at least they're trying for turnovers... Gotta give them credit where I can find it