Update on Greg Bell

Hoosker Du

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I bought into the Bell hype but was really disappointed. From what I observed he didn't have the physicality to be successful in the Big 10. Definitely don't need that type of attitude in the locker room. He won't be missed next year

Well let's take a look at the RB stats up until Bell left. They were running behind the same line. Yeah, if Bell were still here, I think he would be doing pretty well for us. But he quit, so we're going with those that are committed to the team.

Ozigbo

Col - 14 60 1
Troy - 9 25 0
Mich - 6 5

Bell

Col - 13 104 0
Troy - 14 64 0
Mich - 6 3
 
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oldjar07

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so you are saying you could see it, but only in games and the coaches couldn't figure it out in practices, games, watching tons of film when he was in JUCO and all the rest? yea, right. And he did actually play a game before he game to Nebraska so there's that.
Coaches aren't always right. Doesn't mean that they're idiots.
 

oldjar07

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Well let's take a look at the RB stats up until Bell left. They were running behind the same line. Yeah, if Bell were still here, I think he would be doing pretty well for us. But he quit, so we're going with those that are committed to the team.

Ozigbo

Col - 14 60 1
Troy - 9 25 0
Mich - 6 5

Bell

Col - 13 104 0
Troy - 14 64 0
Mich - 6 3
Stats don't tell the whole story. At Colorado, Bell was lucky enough to have two plays where he had giant holes to run through and rack up most of his yardage. Ozigbo is obviously the better back and I'm glad now that Bell has left, he has been getting more carries.
 

oldjar07

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I would take him back but I don't think Frost would. We're going to need backs and he already has a fairly good handle on the offense. That would be huge chunk of crow for him to swallow but IF he were a man about it and begged Frost for forgiveness with a new attitude he might get another shot. Young guys do stupid impulsive stuff.
I wouldn't. Don't need players like that around the team.
 

Hoosker Du

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Stats don't tell the whole story. At Colorado, Bell was lucky enough to have two plays where he had giant holes to run through and rack up most of his yardage. Ozigbo is obviously the better back and I'm glad now that Bell has left, he has been getting more carries.

Lucky enough? OoooooK. When they were running behind the same OLine, Bell had better numbers. I like both of them, so I'm not partial to one or the other, but Bell would be running wild on teams, just like Ozigbo, if he would have stayed. It would have been a good situation for us depth-wise. And we would be better off in terms of depth next year too. But he DID quit when he got challenged, so he didn't have the type of character the program needed.
 

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It isn't always just about being able to run through a hole during the game. Attitude and practice effort aren't something that necessarily showed up until he got on campus. Coaches can interview him and his JUCO coach and other past coaches all day long. He and his coaches are going to say the things they know HCSF and his staff want to hear. But, until the season gets going and their is some adversity, they really don't know what they have.

It is no secret that part flipping the culture has been to reverse a lack of sufficient effort and attention to detail in practice and workouts. Seems to me HCSF made it very clear that Oz got the start that week due to his work in practice. Coaches have to walk the talk. If they are going to preach effort in practice, then they have to reward that, and on the flip side have consequences for unsatisfactory practice effort, or else its all just talk. They did that here by rewarding Oz with the start. Instead of buckling down and committing to practice the way the coaches wanted, Bell bailed. I recall he didn't do crap when he got in against Purdue. Looked like he checked out rather than fighting to get his starting spot back. Rash decision by a "kid", perhaps, but I think also a bit of insight into his commitment and attitude. At a time when we were probably on the cusp of turning the corner in terms of buy-in and attitude, there was simply no room for tolerating any hint of entitlement in the ranks, IMO. It is no coincidence, IMO, that this team really started to turn the corner after that week. Not the only reason, but part of the reason.
 

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Yep he is a quitter and dumb because he incorrectly evaluated his options. Lamar Jackson drives me nuts, but you know what? He has character and confidence in himself. He didn't quit, and I think he played the best game of his career last week. I still have high hopes for that young man.
Would be great to get an entire season of consistently good play from Lamar. It would be nice to not go into the season worrying about the CB position. I think having Lamar, Bootle, Cam Taylor, Braxton Clark and Eric Lee afford that.
 

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Stats don't tell the whole story. At Colorado, Bell was lucky enough to have two plays where he had giant holes to run through and rack up most of his yardage. Ozigbo is obviously the better back and I'm glad now that Bell has left, he has been getting more carries.
Oz would have taken those to runs to the house Bell was ran down from behind. I don’t know their 40-times and frankly I don’t care. Oz is a step or 2 faster on a football field, easily. Oz has that odd speed, the Jerry Rice speed that really doesn’t show up on a stop watch.

We’ve had a ton of Bell’s lately, OK backs, but nothing too special. He can stay alway, or be 3rd or 4tb string next year. Cause honestly, he’d be 4th string right now. He’s a slower Oz. Brings nothing to the offense.

And let’s be honest, the kid wasn’t a team player. That’s why he’s not on the team. He didn’t mesh well with the teammates and he thought he’d be a one and done, and for the most part he was right. His done just doesn’t mean the NFL.
 

Hoosker Du

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Oz would have taken those to runs to the house Bell was ran down from behind. I don’t know their 40-times and frankly I don’t care. Oz is a step or 2 faster on a football field, easily. Oz has that odd speed, the Jerry Rice speed that really doesn’t show up on a stop watch.

We’ve had a ton of Bell’s lately, OK backs, but nothing too special. He can stay alway, or be 3rd or 4tb string next year. Cause honestly, he’d be 4th string right now. He’s a slower Oz. Brings nothing to the offense.

And let’s be honest, the kid wasn’t a team player. That’s why he’s not on the team. He didn’t mesh well with the teammates and he thought he’d be a one and done, and for the most part he was right. His done just doesn’t mean the NFL.

Wow, I've read some horseshit before, but this post takes the cake. You can ***** about Bell not being a team player, and I would agree with you, but he wouldn't be remotely close to 4th string. He would be sharing carries with Ozigbo, ahead of Washington and Mazour.
 

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Wow, I've read some horseshit before, but this post takes the cake. You can ***** about Bell not being a team player, and I would agree with you, but he wouldn't be remotely close to 4th string. He would be sharing carries with Ozigbo, ahead of Washington and Mazour.
He'd be 3rd string.....ahead of Mazour yes, but Washington no.
 

gw2kpro

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He'd be getting carries each game.

And if he was the best back, he'd claim the #1 spot.

That's how Ozigbo made his way from #2/#3 to the #1 spot.

Frost didn't recruit Bell here to screw him over and put him on the bench. But Frost has stated, and shown, that each spot is open for competition.

Regardless, he's now getting zero carries due to personal choice.
 
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It isn't always just about being able to run through a hole during the game. Attitude and practice effort aren't something that necessarily showed up until he got on campus. Coaches can interview him and his JUCO coach and other past coaches all day long. He and his coaches are going to say the things they know HCSF and his staff want to hear. But, until the season gets going and their is some adversity, they really don't know what they have.

It is no secret that part flipping the culture has been to reverse a lack of sufficient effort and attention to detail in practice and workouts. Seems to me HCSF made it very clear that Oz got the start that week due to his work in practice. Coaches have to walk the talk. If they are going to preach effort in practice, then they have to reward that, and on the flip side have consequences for unsatisfactory practice effort, or else its all just talk. They did that here by rewarding Oz with the start. Instead of buckling down and committing to practice the way the coaches wanted, Bell bailed. I recall he didn't do crap when he got in against Purdue. Looked like he checked out rather than fighting to get his starting spot back. Rash decision by a "kid", perhaps, but I think also a bit of insight into his commitment and attitude. At a time when we were probably on the cusp of turning the corner in terms of buy-in and attitude, there was simply no room for tolerating any hint of entitlement in the ranks, IMO. It is no coincidence, IMO, that this team really started to turn the corner after that week. Not the only reason, but part of the reason.
Great post. I wish Bell all the best but he really let down his team and himself.
 

Hoosker Du

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He'd be 3rd string.....ahead of Mazour yes, but Washington no.

I disagree. Washington wouldn't have gotten enough carries early season to progress like he has, because Ozigbo and Bell would have shared the vast majority of carries. Washington wasn't very good early season, because he ran tentatively.

It doesn't really matter much, because Bell made the decision to not work like he needed to, and he quit. Like Cornicator said, Bell is a dipsh*t.
 

huskat

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I disagree. Washington wouldn't have gotten enough carries early season to progress like he has, because Ozigbo and Bell would have shared the vast majority of carries. Washington wasn't very good early season, because he ran tentatively.

It doesn't really matter much, because Bell made the decision to not work like he needed to, and he quit. Like Cornicator said, Bell is a dipsh*t.
IMO it would be a 1A/1B type of thing. They'd use the first 1.5 quarters to see who has "it" today, and the winner would be #1 and get the majority of the carries the rest of the game. Washington would be #2 though, as he brings something neither #1's bring to the table. Either way, Bell added depth towards the top of the depth chart, which does hurt.

I disagree w/ @Hoosker Du about Bell's ceiling, but agree that he is an idiot and failed miserably at making a basic, informed, major life decision. I hope he enjoys his aerobic class and working out on the treadmill w/ the rest of the Engineering and Biology students.
 

Hoosker Du

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IMO it would be a 1A/1B type of thing. They'd use the first 1.5 quarters to see who has "it" today, and the winner would be #1 and get the majority of the carries the rest of the game. Washington would be #2 though, as he brings something neither #1's bring to the table. Either way, Bell added depth towards the top of the depth chart, which does hurt.

I disagree w/ @Hoosker Du about Bell's ceiling, but agree that he is an idiot and failed miserably at making a basic, informed, major life decision. I hope he enjoys his aerobic class and working out on the treadmill w/ the rest of the Engineering and Biology students.

I don't even know if I thought his ceiling was that high, but at the start of the season he looked like our best RB and thought he ran similar to Ozigbo going through the hole (when he had one), but had better lateral quickness than Ziggy.

It would have been nice to see what he could have done behind a line with Farmer at center and Boe Wilson at right guard. At very least he would have given us two good proven RBs going into next year after we lose Ziggy. But he truly is a dipsh*t.
 

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who cares, he isn't here anymore people so why waste time bitching about it. move on
 

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Would be great to get an entire season of consistently good play from Lamar. It would be nice to not go into the season worrying about the CB position. I think having Lamar, Bootle, Cam Taylor, Braxton Clark and Eric Lee afford that.

I actually think we'll have a really good second level on defense next year, despite the losses at safety.