Agree 100%. This whole not moving goalpost stuff is just silly and reeks of sour grapes. Senseless to compare apples to oranges.
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give me a break, somewhat apples and oranges as bp is an out of control head case, SF isn't. If SF can't win here, it will be extremely difficult to hire someone who can and will.
Frost is the only coach to ever have meaningful success at another school. I believe he will eventually have success at Nebraska. Frank Solich, Pelini, and Riley have been mediocre at best at their head coaching positions outside of Nebraska.
Pelini took YSU to the FCS national championship game, for what that’s worth.
doesn't the NFL actually kick from a farther distance now...it is appropriate to change standards over time, Bo was given a plush situation, with the best recruiting classes in a decade, a mandate to do what he wanted, especially because TO hired him. And he blew it, over and over and over again...oh and took 25 million from the university.
First, nobody “takes” anything contractually obligated to them. That includes you, and me. Even former football coaches either of us don’t like. Such a ridiculous line of thought.
Second, TO also pretty much mandated Bo’s OC upon hiring, if you might remember. Hell, TO inked a recruit while Bo was coordinating a national championship defense, and that player belonged in Youngstown’s league.
I am not a Bo lover by any stretch but at least be truly honest about the keys Bo was handed.
Well, in any random five minutes Clownahan & Smiling Mike will forget more about "losing" than Bo will ever learn.
1. Bo for 7 years.....every year 9 or 10 wins.
2. Clownahan & Smiling Mike.....a combined 7 years....for 4 losing seasons.
Never-the-less, to many, many heavy thinking posters here, losing the big games "and" losing to everyone else will always be better than Bo. It's downright amazing......
It sounds more like you are arguing that we should have kept our Ferentz-like coach (minus the psychotic personality)? Who on earth has posted that they would rather have Callahan's or Riley's results over Bo's? Seriously, who posted that? You simply seem to be arguing over which turd is the best.
They were ALL misses to varying degrees. That is painfully, blatantly obvious. The fact that the rest of the college football planet agrees with that assessment (i.e., look at what they have all done coaching-wise since NU) should lead you to the correct assessment of his tenure. If Bo is such a diamond in the rough, why isn't he coaching at a prominent school?
We could always just start a Bo thread and talk about his first 3 years versus his last 3 and which way those 7 years of results and his management of the team were trending.
Didnt he have a few husker guys in that team? Hasnt dont much since. Whats he done with players that were all his recruits
for clarification I am not arguing that right now Frost should be winning at the same rate as Pelini did - agree circumstances are different ... but after 3 years or so the expectation should be at least similar results and hopefully better than what Pelini was able to achieve - which was win or tie for the division championship regularly -(50% of the time) and regularly play in the conf championship game. Doing a better job than Pelini would entail the above + winning conf championships and getting into the top ten. I realize it is going to take Frost some time.
Things would have gotten steadily worse under Bo and losing seasons were inevitable. The guy started out with a roster of Callahan recruits (Suh, etc) that helped him get off to a good start. As the years went by and his own recruiting took hold and the Big 10 solidified under better coaches NU had to act. What I don't understand is how a portion of the fan base rallied around the Pelinis and considered them part of NU's old guard, as opposed to outsiders Callahan and Riley. The only tie Bo and Carl had to NU was being on the staff during Solich's last year. They were far removed from NU's culture and era of greatness.
Well duh. You can’t act like you are Nick Saban when you lose four games every year.
He does well with other coaches recruits. How are things looking in year four at YSU with all his players? How did he look at Nebraska after Callahan’s players left?
I think we can all agree that Peelini sucked. Now, was that so hard?
Bad head coach - great recruiter. There is a difference...
Just because Callahan & Riley were bad doesn't mean that Pelini should've stayed at Nebraska.
It's okay for you to admit that Pelini was not a good fit for Nebraska and needed to be shown the door.
Pelinis antics made his departure necessary. But let's not engage in false equivalencies. Callahan and Riley were in a league of their own.
No one was trying to equalize them. It's a known fact that if Nebraska didn't have Frost at the helm, that bshirt73 would want Pelini running the show. And I don't mean Pelini over just Callahan or Riley.
A dude in his mid-40s with no pads on going after 250 pound monsters with pads on? I'd probably watch and laugh.
In Moss's defense, the clerk at the residence hall convenience store was slow in making change on his purchase.
Total Horsesh*t. Bo simply couldn't break through to greatness so he had to go. Never-the-less he wasn't anywhere close to being the grossly inept Clownahan or Smiling Mike.
Yes, I know you're still heart broken that your mighty hero Smiling Mike is long gone. Nobody could possibly dream of daily excuses for him like you......that's for sure. But you'll get over it with time.....hang in there.
Once we got Frost I was totally okay with Riley being canned.
Like I predicted months ago, you'll bring up Riley way more often than I will and that's holding true even today. Good work.
I am not convinced Callahan was worse than Pelini. Callahan was not good and even worse when he decided Cosgrove was more important than being good. He however did not leave the program in worse shape than he found it. Not going to comment on Riley... Pelini did leave the program in worse shape!
Had Pelini coached ‘15 he would have won 9 games. We had two defensive lineman that turned pro early. We had talent, just not all around. Bo > Callahan > Smilin Mike
Damn Eichorst should have never hired smiling Mike (Jake Benny) Riley in the very first place..
Ridiculous. Callahan took over a team that went 10-3 the year before, and he had juniors and seniors that came from two top 10 recruiting classes.
Stop. This very site which existed as Bobby Burton/Rivals had them in the top 10 in 2000 and 2001. Frank also had one in '98.