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jeans15 said:
I have seen a team of 3 stars play good defense.

2009 Defense comes to mind.

3 4 star players. Best Nebraska defense ever.

Coaching matters in college football.
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Does coaching that much? Or does it matter more in recruiting? UCF is still undefeated with a first year coach???
 
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kylemhs31_rivals81916

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Tuco Salamanca said:
But But But, here is a list of the 4 and 5 stars that could have been contributors on the 2015-2017 seasons


Todd Peat
Charles Jackson
Aaron Green
David Santos
Bubba Starling
Ryan Klachko
Tyler Moore
Ryan Reeves
Paul Thurston
Greg McMullen
Adam Taylor
Monte Harrison


There are always going to be busts, injuries and transfers. It can always be an excuse if you let it.
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I wanna know how many 4 stars Purdue brought in between 15-17
 
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8541Boiler

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Apologies if this formatting is a disaster, I'm mostly a long-time lurker. I peruse your board due to being a closet Husker fan (best friend from the Corps was a huge Nebraska fan, we've semi-adopted each other's team. Visited for the Purdue game in '14 and had a great experience.) Was reading this thread and had one of those "is my world view a total sham?" moments when reading that Purdue had more talent on the field than Nebraska. Did some quick Rivals searches, which I know aren't perfect, but Bama doesn't start many Rivals 2-stars do they. Anyway, here's a quick down-and-dirty type up of what I found.

QB: Purdue-Blough 3 star 5.7
Nebraska-Martinez 4 star 5.9
"Advantage"-Nebraska
RB: Purdue-DJ Knox 2 star 5.4
Nebraska-Ozigbo 3 star 5.6
"Advantage"-Nebraska
WR: Purdue-Jared Sparks 2 star 5.3 quarterback
Rondale Moore 3 star 5.7
Isaac Zico 2 star 5.4
Nebraska-Stanley Morgan 4 star 5.8
Kade Warner unrated walk-on
JD Spielman 3 star 5.7 ATH
"Advantage"-???
TE: Purdue-Brycen Hopkins 2 star 5.4
Nebraska-Jack Stoll 3 star 5.6
"Advantage"-Nebraska
OT: Purdue-Grant Hermanns 2 star 5.4
Eric Swingler Not in Database
Nebraska-Brendan Jameis 3 star 5.7
Matt Farniok 3 star 5.7
"Advantage"-Nebraska
OG: Purdue-Dennis Edwards 2 star 5.3
Matt McCann 3 star 5.6
Nebraska-Boe Wilson 3 star 5.6
Jerald Foster 3 star 5.7
"Advantage"-Nebraska
C: Purdue-Kirk Barron 2 star 5.4
Nebraska-Tanner Farmer 4 star 5.9
"Advantage"-Nebraska

DE: Purdue-Giovanni Reviere 2 star 5.3
Kai Higgins 2 star 5.4
Nebraska-Freedom Akinmoladun 3 star 5.6 TE
Ben Stille 3 star 5.6
"Advantage"-Nebraska
DT/NG: Purdue-Lorenzo Neal 2 star 5.4
Anthony Watts 2 star 5.4
Nebraska-3 star 5.7
"Advantage"-Nebraska
LB: Purdue-Marcus Bailey 3 star 5.5
Cornel Jones 2 star 5.4
Derrick Barnes 2 star 5.2
Nebraska-Tyrin Ferguson 3 star 5.6
Dedrick Young 3 star 5.7
Mohamed Barry 3 star 5.5 (love this guy, wish we had him)
Luke Gifford 3 star 5.6 ATH
"Advantage"-Nebraska
CB: Purdue-Antonio Blackmon Not in Database?
Tim Cason 3 star 5.6
Nebraska-Eric Lee 4 star 5.9
Dicaprio Bootle 3 star 5.5
"Advantage"-Nebraska
S: Purdue-Jacob Thienman Not in Database
Navon Mosley 3 star 5.5
Nebraska-Aaron Williams 3 star 5.6
Tre Neal 2 star 5.4
"Advantage"-???
 
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Solana Beach Husker said:
So you are saying that the current staff is to blame? Riley invested huge amounts of energy to recruit the west coast and nearly every west coach kid was a bust...that meant the recruiting time spent on others was limited and our haul outside of his california connections was weak. Another thing...we lose 85% of our 4 stars we are a 3 star team. That puts us in the range of the top 50 in recruiting. Throw in 3 defensive coordinators, 2 offensive systems in 3 years and that puts our efficiency in the 70 to 80 in the NCAA...throw in transfers and a losing streak and it is what it is. One last thing...many of Bo's kids on your list played and contributed...many of Rileys never made it campus to even provide depth and competition. And then a new coach takes over and more of them jump ship. In many cases Frost barely had a chance to turn them into good players...they just left because Riley recruited them for the NFL not for NU.
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You are making excuses for Frost and him not having talent. I gave you a list of players, that would have made a difference on the 2015 team, that were either busts, transfers or injured before Riley got here. But in 2015 everyone thought there was enough talent on the team to win, maybe, maybe not.

A couple of those guys contributed before 2015, not after.
 
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I thought this was about our actual talent level, don't really care about Purdue. Like a 2-3 team is some model because they beat the crap storm that is Nebraska football. So did Troy, should we compare rosters to them and try to recruit like a Sunbelt team?
 
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Tuco Salamanca said:
You are making excuses for Frost and him not having talent. I gave you a list of players, that would have made a difference on the 2015 team, that were either busts, transfers or injured before Riley got here. But in 2015 everyone thought there was enough talent on the team to win, maybe, maybe not.

A couple of those guys contributed before 2015, not after.
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IMO, there's some holes on the roster but that's not an excuse for 3 of our losses. New systems, a freshman QB and a Diaco hangover are part of it IMO. But, it appears pretty evident to me that the blame for the 3 losses are largely due to a failure in coaching preventable mistakes.. The things is, we've been making ALL of those same mistakes for the past 10 years. Stupid personal fouls, ill advised passes, blown assignments by linebackers and safeties in particular have been a problem. At some point IF we stay the course, keep the same defensive system in place and get more offensive experience I think those things will improve. You will always have players make dumb mistakes but as Frost builds depth so that he can reward numbskulls with pine time I think the penalties will dip as well.
 
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jeans15 said:
Amazing he won and loss just as many games without Suh...And went to 2 conference title games with a Dline that had a converted OT at DL.

With basically all 3 star players.
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Pelini was a great defensive coach...has decent offensive guys at times...but was garbage in EVERY other category. He turned his team against the fans, the same people that pay for all their shiny things, he acted mentally ill at times, and was stubborn to the point it appeared he had dementia. Every time you compare Frost to Pelini you have to remember everything else that Frost does well outside of coaching...Frost will last 25 years if he goes 9-4 every year, Pelini was paid millions to GTFO!
 
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jeans15

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Solana Beach Husker said:
Pelini was a great defensive coach...has decent offensive guys at times...but was garbage in EVERY other category. He turned his team against the fans, the same people that pay for all their shiny things, he acted mentally ill at times, and was stubborn to the point it appeared he had dementia. Every time you compare Frost to Pelini you have to remember everything else that Frost does well outside of coaching...Frost will last 25 years if he goes 9-4 every year, Pelini was paid millions to GTFO!
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The fans deserved it....The players have and always will play for each other before they play r the fans who over criticize every play. At every school in America and in every sport.

Nebraska fans need to get over themselves as well
 
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Solana Beach Husker said:
Pelini was a great defensive coach...has decent offensive guys at times...but was garbage in EVERY other category. He turned his team against the fans, the same people that pay for all their shiny things, he acted mentally ill at times, and was stubborn to the point it appeared he had dementia. Every time you compare Frost to Pelini you have to remember everything else that Frost does well outside of coaching...Frost will last 25 years if he goes 9-4 every year, Pelini was paid millions to GTFO!
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He was far from a great defensive coach outside of two seasons (2009 and 2010).
 
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TheBeav815 said:
Yeah, there's got to be an element of salience in there. When a walk-on who never played quits, you don't even notice. When a 4* can't crack the 2-deep you talk about it.

The attrition of the best players in already so-so classes has been an absolute killer. You're dead right about Purdue having equal or better talent than NU does. Frost has said it repeatedly, but I'm not sure most fans really get it. The talent level on this team is B.A.D. Like really bad. They seem to have some kids who can play, some kids who can think, and not a lot of kids who can do both.

That thought has been on my mind lately, wondering if we were eating other teams' leftovers sometimes with the 4* kids we had been getting, not with their physical skills but their mental skills.

Was talking to my neighbor, he said they have this kid who is a freak and EVERYONE is offering him. I mean everyone. Well, turns out this kid literally has to be told by the player behind him which way to go on every play. He doesn't know thing one about the playbook.

My neighbor was like, "Yeah I'd love to have him on my side of the ball from a physical standpoint but he's not smart enough to do it."

You think they tell that to SEC and B1G coaches when they call up? I bet they don't. You don't torpedo a kid like that, you're his coach, your job is to talk about what a good kid he is.

It really made me think about how often a guy like that gets to campus and you give him a playbook and then practice rolls around and he knows NOTHING about football theory and you go, "Oh f***. This kid is a three-year project at the very best."
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High school coaches generally tell the truth about their guys. Coaches aren't going to sacrifice their reputations for one kid to a get a scholarship to a Power 5 school.
 
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Tuco Salamanca said:
Only part of the equation. all talent, no chemistry - may have a bad season
no talent no chemistry - sucky team
no talent all chemistry - may have a 500 season
all talent all chemistry - CFP

So while he can say it's about chemistry all he wants, the fact is, without a bunch of talented players, his team would not be in the CFP at all.
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No doubt about it.
 
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Tuco Salamanca said:
Only part of the equation. all talent, no chemistry - may have a bad season
no talent no chemistry - sucky team
no talent all chemistry - may have a 500 season
all talent all chemistry - CFP

So while he can say it's about chemistry all he wants, the fact is, without a bunch of talented players, his team would not be in the CFP at all.
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People can't get that through their heads. Just because some teams with a lot of good players aren't that great doesn't mean the answer is don't have any good players.
 
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Kind of tired of all the star crap. Just recruit the right players and develop them to the fullest.
 
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Call it stars, or call it players, but we need to upgrade our talent. Yes you can always find diamonds in the rough, but for the most part, I think if you took off the star rating system, most of these schools are going to recruit the same kids. You watch their film, and they pop off the screen. I think people get wrapped up in stars, but talent is talent. If you see the talent, recruit the talent.
 
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TheBeav815 said:
We'll relent when teams without top recruiting classes start winning national championships. Until then, looks like you need really good players to be a really good football team.
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Exactly, the next time heart and hard work alone win titles, I will stop looking at the stars
 
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I am too ignorant of what it takes to be a high level athlete at the championship level. That is why we pay Frost 5 million a year. Part of the reason we pay him that much money is that he supposedly has an eye for such things. So do his assistants. High Stars.... Low Stars.... Walk ons..... Juco transfers.... Grad transfers....
I am too dumb to figure all of that out.
All I know is this. I am really tired of losing. And I am really tired of changing coaches every 3-7 years.
At this point I would be thrilled with a team filled with solid three star types that have been coached into a great system and perform like Wisconsin does. Performing like OSU or Bama will have to wait.
Just win damn it.
 
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Pennsyhusker said:
I am too ignorant of what it takes to be a high level athlete at the championship level. That is why we pay Frost 5 million a year. Part of the reason we pay him that much money is that he supposedly has an eye for such things. So do his assistants. High Stars.... Low Stars.... Walk ons..... Juco transfers.... Grad transfers....
I am too dumb to figure all of that out.
All I know is this. I am really tired of losing. And I am really tired of changing coaches every 3-7 years.
At this point I would be thrilled with a team filled with solid three star types that have been coached into a great system and perform like Wisconsin does. Performing like OSU or Bama will have to wait.
Just win damn it.
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The truly stupid part of all of this is we still have fans talking championships. Let’s pump the breaks a bit and save the “we should be signing five stars” talk for a year or two. We found out recruiting low character four stars doesn’t work.
 
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