Well I wish him the best but he isn't going to get kids into his program to run the system he is now.
Enough with the Oregon hurry up playbook
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Why won’t he be able to beat teams in the B1G with this system? They’ve only had this system in place for 4 games now, a little too early to say what he can or can’t do. Reminds me of all the SEC homers saying UM’s gimmicky system wouldn’t work down there yet he managed to win 2 titles with it. Thats not to say Frost will match but his system isn’t all that unique to college football or the B1G.
Not saying he will or he won't but it's his style now, not the option. My high school in Florida ran to the option also back in the 80's. A bunch of farm boys taking on and beating all the big city high schools for state championships. Today they playing for state championships running modern offense. Then again, my dad played football wearing a facefaskless leather helmet...things change. Cavalry charges against machine guns did far too well, nor does the option today. Ask, Army, Navy and GT.
You realize that “lower level” team he left would beat you by about 50 points right now. And about 5-6 teams from that conference would beat you by 20+? And those “lower level” teams are something like 8-3 in New Years Bowl games against “upper level” teams?
This ridiculous thinking is why you have been wallowing in mediocrity for 15 years. The game is passing you by and you don’t even recognize it.
Rich Rod's West Virginia teams destroyed OU and beat Georgia in bowls. Charlie Strong at Louisville crushed Florida and Miami in bowl games. How did they do when they moved up to a big-boy league?
This isn't about UCF vs the worst Nebraska team in school history. Of course a roster that Frost built and coached would crush one that Mike Riley built. But playing the likes of Ohio State, Penn State, Michigan, Wisconsin, Michigan State, etc. week in and week out, is quite different than playing mostly teams like UConn and East Carolina. The quality of coaches in the Big Ten is on another level compared to the AAC.
But the point of the post is that I question whether Frost will be able to recruit the athletes needed to run his offense to Lincoln, Nebraska, that can beat the top defenses in the Big Ten. Having a roster of Florida athletes vs. the likes of UConn and Temple is a major advantage. Now Frost will have to take a roster of 3-star guys against the 4 and 5 star athletes of Ohio State, Penn State, and Michigan.
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The Army team that took Oklahoma to overtime last week? The Navy team that seems to beat Notre Dame fairly often? Georgia Tech who has been to 2 more BCS bowls than we have in the last decade?
Nebraska hired Scott Frost to be the head coach, not play QB.... His winning career as a "coach" was racing porshes'... Nobody expected him to come in and install Osborne''s offense....
Time to find a new team. We will be a zone read offense for the five years minimum
How long are we going to be blaming Riley? Frost and Duval have been in charge of lifting for 10 months, long enough to see results
The Army team that in the last 20 years are 70 and 168? The Navy team that since 98 average nearly 6 losses a year? GT, a team that has won 9 or more games only 7 times in the last 20 seasons...
And how has Nebraska done since we stopped running the option? How many championships? How many Top 10 teams have we beaten?
We need to revamp of the offensive line which is not giving Martinez time to throw to the receivers and blocking for the running backs, the defense is not showing any progress which could be because of Erik Chinander scheme so maybe we need new defensive coordinator by year 3 if we don't see any progress by next yr. Scott and Erik are buddies but that can't halt the progress of the team so he might have to let him go if there are no improvements of the D. And bench the players that are getting silly penalties. Could it be that those players that were recruited by Riley are not happy with his firing and don't want to care about this staff? Who knows.
Nebraska??? Thats real easy... In the last 14 years since they went away from the option...
They have won 112 games (more than Army has in 20 years)
Averaged 4 losses per season, (less than Navy has)
Nebraska has had 9 9+ win seasons (more than GT has had in 20 years)
The whole point is is that none of the examples that you gave of the service academies would be acceptable by NU standards...
You think this a west coast offense? Lol
He was brought back because of his Nebraska legacy, if it was for a hurry up offense then a mistake was made. It will never work in Lincoln the athletes to run it will not go to Nebraska. Plus this is the Big 10 it will not work against the power teams.
You’re an idiot. You probably don’t know a seal block from a kick block. Leave the scheming to the people that are experts and stop acting like you know the game of football. People like you are really starting to get annoying.
You are right they have overwhelmed teams like Wisconsin, Ohio State,Penn State, Michigan,Northwestern, Michigan State, et al. And this year could be the best of all. The problem may be the offense is not running the plays fast enough. They probably would have beat that powerhouse Purdue team if they left more time on the clock. The option will work if it's run right with the right players, and many of those could come from Nebraska or the midwest.
Sorry if facts hurt your feeings bud. On second thought, I’m not, actually. And FYI..the offense we run is a form of the optionLaughing
All I know is that the second he came out in the shotgun with no blocking backs on 4th and 1, I stopped worrying about Frost doing anything for a while.
What killed those super fast Oregon teams? Quality D-lines that can get penetration. That is what the B1G does, stout front 7s built to disrupt the run. Even Purdue and Indiana have NFL D-linemen, which makes it tough for the spread to work consistently. See Rich Rod at Mich or Tiller at Purdue after Drew Brees left and the league caught up. Need strong O-line who can move 300 lbers to succeed in this league, hard to have an O-line like that, full of road graders, when you run the hurry up spread.
The other side is that if you have a couple bad series and go 3-and-out, it can be a death sentence for your D against a bunch of teams in the B1G, much more so than any league he has coached in so far. Iowa, Wisconsin, Minnesota, MSU, Mich etc. all are capable of going on an 8 min 12 play drives that wipe you out physically. Puts a lot of pressure on the O to execute consistently when they only get 1-2 possessions per quarter.
'Husker power with Oregon/UCF speed' sounds amazing, but it is nearly impossible to achieve at the college level. Only Bama comes close, with their 10+ years of #1 recruiting classes, to being able to pull it off. 320lb tackles simply can't run 80-90 plays effectively, their bodies will break down. Good luck with it, we really need someone else in the West to step up and give us a real game every year, so I am actually hoping Frost can improve the program significantly. I just don't see it with this system in this league (which I have said since before he was hired, its not a simple overreaction to the start of this season) but he can make some adjustments and still have a heck of a run.
What killed those super fast Oregon teams? Quality D-lines that can get penetration. That is what the B1G does, stout front 7s built to disrupt the run. Even Purdue and Indiana have NFL D-linemen, which makes it tough for the spread to work consistently. See Rich Rod at Mich or Tiller at Purdue after Drew Brees left and the league caught up. Need strong O-line who can move 300 lbers to succeed in this league, hard to have an O-line like that, full of road graders, when you run the hurry up spread.
The other side is that if you have a couple bad series and go 3-and-out, it can be a death sentence for your D against a bunch of teams in the B1G, much more so than any league he has coached in so far. Iowa, Wisconsin, Minnesota, MSU, Mich etc. all are capable of going on an 8 min 12 play drives that wipe you out physically. Puts a lot of pressure on the O to execute consistently when they only get 1-2 possessions per quarter.
'Husker power with Oregon/UCF speed' sounds amazing, but it is nearly impossible to achieve at the college level. Only Bama comes close, with their 10+ years of #1 recruiting classes, to being able to pull it off. 320lb tackles simply can't run 80-90 plays effectively, their bodies will break down. Good luck with it, we really need someone else in the West to step up and give us a real game every year, so I am actually hoping Frost can improve the program significantly. I just don't see it with this system in this league (which I have said since before he was hired, its not a simple overreaction to the start of this season) but he can make some adjustments and still have a heck of a run.
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I think if we implemented a couple heavy sets we’d be just fine. Other teams across the country do it. Clemson runs probably the best I’ve seen. It’s not impossible to do. Ohio State, Purdue, Penn State, and Indiana all run similiar offenses to us in this league. Penn state and Ohio state have both had tons of success. This offensive scheme can and does work.
Rich Rod was a fraud who was lucky enough to stumble on to the zone read by mistake. Once people figured that out they figured him out and he hasn’t been the same since.
These offenses work everywhere in college football which is why they’re used. You’re not going to go from a pro style offense to a spread option and have well oiled machine in 4 games. Give it time..
And yet a team without his recruited players have put up nearly 600 yards of offense twice in the first four games. The offense isn't the problem, they're getting plenty of yards. It's the costly penalties, turnovers and poor place kicking that have hurt more than anything.
We've had the two highest offensive yards gained in the last 4 seasons in the first 4 games. It isn't perfect but claiming it won't work despite being effective is disingenous.
Are you telling me that we could have hired Tommie Turner, or Eric Crouch to install Osborne's offense and avoided the last 15 years of the poor football Nebraska has played??? Please tell me more... Better yet please apply for the AD position so that we can get this all straightened out and get the right coach in place...
Ask Oklahoma how difficult the options is to defend. They should have lost to army at home.
If you can't get the talent you have to run something nobody else is
Army put up under 400 yards of toatal offense and scored 21 points...If OUs offemse scores 50 plus like it should have nobody brings Army into this conversation....
IDK man, most big 10 teams run a variance of Spread, and are super successful when they have a running qb. Frost wants to add tempo to basically the same system that OSU, Penn State run. We aren't going to dominate the big 4 or 5 in the big 10, but tempo is a way to wear them down and create mismatches...the games are going to be close like they are between the best teams...Tim Beck's spread of 2010-2012 was good enough to win a big 10 championship, but the defense was not. The offense will be fine, but how will scott address the defensive scheme...that is going to determine his success like it does for all big 10 teams.
If he
If he had an offense that was seasoned he might have scored tds on most of of those 4th down plays using play action or a fly sweep. The defense sold out completely in the middle...he has a true frosh and an offense not completely ticking. I will look for your posts in the middle of next year.
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