All-American/Heisman/Hall of Fame players do not become great coaches. Just watched a documentary about Mike Singletary. One of the greatest NFL players of all time, very lovable, highly intelligent, has amazing character...has a football IQ through the roof...couldn't get it done at San Fran, and hasn't been hired since. I worry that sometimes a coach naturally demands such awe from players that they play tight, that they play for the coach, not to disappoint the coach, or let them down. Hope this isn't a pattern with Frost at this point, but a number of guys had pointed out that they hate disappointing their coach with their poor play. They should be playing for the love of the game, for the glory of the deed, not for a coach they barely know. Hopefully Frost joins the short list of Great qbs to be great coaches.
One worry about Frost...
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Hopefully Frost joins the short list of Great qbs to be great coach
He already has....at UCF
He already has....at UCF
You can always set yourself on fire.
I’ll start - Steve Spurrier says hello.
Also adding that Frost was not an All-American; he was 2nd and 3rd team all-conference.
And I’ll add Pat Fitzgerald because I don’t want to say Jim Harbaugh.
Maybe the better point is that Frost was not a particularly decorated individual player. Maybe more like the workmanlike role players that you frequently see rise to the top of the coaching ranks.
Also adding that Frost was not an All-American; he was 2nd and 3rd team all-conference.
And I’ll add Pat Fitzgerald because I don’t want to say Jim Harbaugh.
Maybe the better point is that Frost was not a particularly decorated individual player. Maybe more like the workmanlike role players that you frequently see rise to the top of the coaching ranks.
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THE GUY RECEIVED MULTIPLE COACH OF THE YEAR AWARDS FROM MULTIPLE ORGANIZATIONS IN THE SPORTS REPORTING BUSINESS AND COACHING ASSOCIATION/ORGANIZATIONS
THAT WASN'T BY ACCIDENT OR TOKENISM
Mike Singletary had leadership experience and little coaching background. We all know Frost's background in coaching. And I am quite confident Scott Frost will not pull his own pants down during any halftime speeches.
I wish you would have saved this for a little later. I wanted to see just how far SBH was going to go with it
Look Frost, popped one great season, with a ton of toss of games that could have gone one way or another. Anybody familiar with sports data knows that winning close games is indicative of luck , not coaching talent. That is why +/- is a much better predictor of talent or success. If he loses two of those games, he loses quite a bit of luster. Singletary was 5-2 as interim coach, was given the job and finished 12-20 before he was fired. Frosty is a very charismatic coach, but so was MS, remember he was the guy who sent Vernon Davis to the showers in his first game as interim coach. People loved Mike, including his players, and most were sure he would be a great success. And then it didn't happen. Right now Frost is coaching a team that players VERY tight, makes a TON of mistakes that they do not make in practice, and makes HUGE mistakes late in games when the pressure is high. We have a team that chokes, more than loses right now. That could be indicative of a team playing with too much pressure.
Who cares what the media does? They are a bunch of idiots...and the coaching world knows about as much as they do. Coaches do not pay attention to other coaches, they are too busy...hence the reason we moved away from the polls. Effin Akron announcers anointed Scott Frost as the next Nick Saban before he even coached a game, Colorado announcers thought we were going to blow out Colorado in the 2nd half, Troy announcers thought we would roll Troy, and Michigan announcers thought we might be competitive. I love Scott and will support his if he averages 8 wins a season for next 20 years...because he is interesting to listen to, he is a leader, and he cares about doing the right thing. But there is not a lot of precedent for a player of his caliber becoming a great coach. Part of this is his "celebrity" can put pressure on the kids. Pressure that we cannot afford right now at least.
Could also be indicitive of a losing mentality installed by a prior staff that might take some time to change, or lack of S and C, or a while new system, or just dumb luck on a few plays against Troy and CU.
I think what the OP posted makes sense when you look at natural athletic ability. Just because a person has natural gifts, doesn't mean that person will be a good coach or not. I think they are unrelated skills.
I am not sure you can put Scott in that great athlete category either. While I do think he is a good athlete, his parents being coaches and having those kinds of role models including Tom, gives Scott a chance to exceed his abilities as a player.
In short, Scott may end up a better coach than he was a player.
I am not sure you can put Scott in that great athlete category either. While I do think he is a good athlete, his parents being coaches and having those kinds of role models including Tom, gives Scott a chance to exceed his abilities as a player.
In short, Scott may end up a better coach than he was a player.
All-American/Hall of Fame athletes rarely go into the coaching profession. With football especially, because it is a lot of work and you have to start at the bottom and pay your dues to move up in the business. All of the breaking down of film, scouting opponents, playbooks that are hundreds of pages, recruiting, dealing with player issues of the field, and rarely seeing your families during the season. It takes a certain person to manage that grind as a career. You have to live it 24/7.
Frost started at the bottom and worked his way up. He wasn't just given a head coaching job because he was a great player, like Fred Hoiberg or Penny Hardaway or Darin Erstad. Not many great players would be willing to start as a GA and then coach at a I-AA school like Frost did. He did rise through the ranks faster than most coaches, but after last year it's pretty easy to see why.
Frost started at the bottom and worked his way up. He wasn't just given a head coaching job because he was a great player, like Fred Hoiberg or Penny Hardaway or Darin Erstad. Not many great players would be willing to start as a GA and then coach at a I-AA school like Frost did. He did rise through the ranks faster than most coaches, but after last year it's pretty easy to see why.
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So what you’re saying is, Mike Riley in 2015 very well could have been an excellent coach, one of the best even, just unlucky.
Got it.
A couple of you back up each other up on this, I wonder why. Whats the point? The guys gonna get his shot whether you like it or not. This constant sky falling crap is played the ef out. Its old. But who am I right? Continue to beat that horse.
Like Harbaugh (all American QB, Heisman candidate, all pro QB) who took San Fran to a Super Bowl after Singletary? By the way he won 10 games in each of his first 2 years at Michigan and he "cleaned house" his first year also with a team that won 5 games the year before. This quirky coach also took Stanford to an Orange Bowl.
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Mark Mangino took Kansas to the Orange Bowl.... Just thought I'd throw that out there.
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The worry about frost is he is coaching Nebraska. We’ve given up more than 50 points to every team in the BIG except for Rutgers and we’ve been in the BIG for like 6 years. Iowa has only lost by 50 once to one team since they’ve been in the big ten. Let that sink in guys.... we suck ***
To be fair so did Gene Chizik and Terry Bowden. One elite season does not automatically cement your legacy as an elite coach. Frost will have plenty of years here to show he is elite.
Being a good coach and being a good player are different skill sets. Some people have both.
No, what I am saying is, lets say he ends the season with 400 pf and 200 pa, but loses 4 games by a combined 7 points...that is a good team, that won by 18 ppg or so, but had some bad luck in close games. Probability would tell us in 10 seasons with that +/- you would win 11 or 12 games most of the time...Riley couldn't blow anybody out, and played very mediocre teams along the way, and then was blown out in big games...that shows his team could have easily been 5-8 instead of 9-4. And the 2015 team was more likely a 7-6 team, than a 9-4 team.
Going out on a limb that you are a bit confused.
You say we when talking about the huskers... they when talking about Iowa. But you are an obvious Iowa fan. What that means is when you are talking about Iowa, that’s when you say we. When talking about the huskers, that’s when you say they.
I see that you are brand new here, just starting today. I though I would share with you the proper way to present yourself.
I hope he does because he ought to be given the chance, first, and not crucified after 3 games as he inherited real problems. I hope he can get them fixed over time and if given the time. These critical experts must have crystal balls to be able to make such expert judgments so soon after the 3 game season we've had so far. that is sarcasm by the way Those 2 guys had pretty decent players to begin with, as I recall, but couldn't keep up the quality of recruiting. Hopefully, that will not take place here and everything will improve as time will tell.
You also didn’t know Scott Frost wasnt an “All-American/Heisman/Hall of Famer”, then claimed Singletary hasn’t been been hired since being at San Francisco, despite him being at the Rams and Vikings from 2011-2016 and recently hired as head coach of an AAF team.
Feel free to add yourself to the list of “not mental juggernauts” lmao. Sorry.
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