Deontai Williams
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Who has been here for a few years? Gaylord, the back up tackle? Everyone else is currently a sophomore or younger.
Big Farniok would be better at OG according to several people I trust. Austin has said that his depth at OT is razor thin and that we're in trouble there if we have an injury at OT. We have some viable options at guard. Not so much at tackle. Don't get me wrong, I think some of the young guys we have can be good players down the road. I just think that IF you think you can upgrade your talent pool especially at OT via the JUCO ranks you do it and worry about your numbers later. As we've seen this past off season, that scholarship distribution can change pretty quickly when a guy finds out he's 4th team.
If we can get that JUCO OT from GCCC (Olaseni), we can move Farniok inside. It would be even better, if he could play LT, so we could move Jaimes back over to the right side. Could have Jaimes and Olaseni at OT, Wilson and Farniok at OG and Bland at C. Would seem to be a much better group, on paper.
Please let me know the juco Olinemen that are better than what we currently have on the roster.
Everyone expects Bland to come in and start right away, what if he is like Woodyard, Williams, Williams, and Honas, and not better than what is already here.
Everyone thinks Juco, equals starts right away, 4 of the 5 Jucos that came in last year, aren't really any better than the "scrubs" Pelini and Riley recruited.
OT depth is thin,.,... this year. But you return all 4 for next year.
Gates was better at Guard than Tackle, but if you are one of the best 5 linemen, you play where you are needed, not where you may be your best. If you are thin at Tackle, you don't move a guy from tackle.
Kansas St chases JUCOs every year. No thanks.
You move a guy from tackle back inside IF you can recruit a guy who is a better tackle than him and in Farniok's case that may be possible. That said, I don't disagree with your sentiment about going heavy JUCO's every year. I think right now,Frost needs to do what he needs to do to field a competitive roster while he builds high school linemen. We are in dire need of OTs and I don't see them on the roster. Using a JUCO big fella is a GREAT way to stretch your scholarship years IF you think he can play right away. That way you don't have him eating a scholarship for 2-3 years before he's ready to play. Ideally you recruit a true freshman who maybe can play right away or maybe only needs a redshirt year to get ready but that's the exception rather than the rule.
I just went through 247 Juco linemen who aren't already committed.
Exactly one has a Nebraska offer, Bamidele Olaseni from Garden City.
So either Austin and Frost are cool with what they have, the talent at the Juco level isn't better than what they have on the roster, or they agree with me that Juco's are great to fill one hole.
There is even a player from Arizona Western, that plays with Bland, no offer.
Exactly one has a Nebraska offer, Bamidele Olaseni from Garden City.
So either Austin and Frost are cool with what they have, the talent at the Juco level isn't better than what they have on the roster, or they agree with me that Juco's are great to fill one hole.
There is even a player from Arizona Western, that plays with Bland, no offer.
Sure, Juco anything is a big risk. A bigger risk than freshmen of course. But it's possible we could get one or two that could be a OLine upgrade "now". It would be hugely worth it to cut a couple WR or whatever recruits to possibly get a road grader or two. Without huge improvement with our OLine we're simply not going to have a good run or pass game anyway.
Geesh, can't you see we need serious, serious help? We simply can't block anybody.....what could possibly be a higher priority?
No one is saying take the "JUCO" way every year. Just "one" year.......we have the need to say the least.
The key is "are they better than what we have?" and clearly Austin doesn't think they are. That doesn't mean we don't have a need. It just means we can't fill it from the JUCO ranks at that specific position right now. Finding O linemen who can move like the guys Ohio and Bama have is not an easy task and I've been saying for years we need to build OTs from high school TEs, JMHO and that takes time. It would be fun to see us do that from walk on TEs who don't cost us a scholarship while under construction. Give me a little bit undersized high school O linemen who can move any day over a big dude with heavy feet. We can make em bigger. It's tough to make em quicker.
Then what is the argument? If the fix isn’t at the JUCO level, why is everyone clamoring for JUCO linemen? Multiple at that?
Well we have offered at least one and I hope he gets one because he looks like a stud. I'm not panicked that's for sure like some. IMO, our O line problems have more to do with execution of the scheme than it does the slightly deficient talent level of some of the guys. I'm hoping another year in the system and maybe some immediate help from at least one JUCO will get us to a better spot. Excuse me if my post-op stupor perception was that you were arguing against all JUCO O linemen. Versed and hydrocodone are wonderful drugs.
We should start a new poll. How many of you have posted while under the influence of narcotics?.yes or no. SoFlHusker need not answer.And we're likely going to come up short on the roster limit by 2019 fall camp if we recruit 28. Unless all that talk about him not wanting players who don't want to be here is BS, there's going to be a lot of attrition in the next year.
Well we have offered at least one and I hope he gets one because he looks like a stud. I'm not panicked that's for sure like some. IMO, our O line problems have more to do with execution of the scheme than it does the slightly deficient talent level of some of the guys. I'm hoping another year in the system and maybe some immediate help from at least one JUCO will get us to a better spot. Excuse me if my post-op stupor perception was that you were arguing against all JUCO O linemen. Versed and hydrocodone are wonderful drugs.
I don’t have a problem with a JUCO OL every now and again. I even posted that I think taking some Juco oline this year would be good, as long as the fit into the RS Fr or Soph class.
You know the other factor right now is that we're not even to the half way point of the JUCO season yet. There could be some guys who show up this year yet that would be worth signing. Bottomline, I trust Frost and Austin to do the best they can and I think that eventually that will be good enough. That's all I can ask.
I'm not sure Frost wants that. Like was mentioned earlier, he gave a scholarship to Vaha and the corner who was on the team for a month before he gave one to a walk on. I don't think leaving room to give scholarships to walk ons is a big priority for him.
I don’t know how next season will be, or the end of this season for that matter but if we’re like this a couple of years down the road then I think we have a problem. Right now I think we’re going to need some patience for the reason you mentioned. I think we’re sitting somewhere in between by having some guys who are fully capaple as well as some deficiencies. Time in the scheme is the fix and then I think we can evaluate how good these guys actually are. We’re just a mess on the football field right now and until the team gets it any one player will not change the situation.
Get our execution to a much better level and maybe we’ll be surprised.
Well Milton would and UCF's center would be a good start at fixing things....but no one recruit is going to fix it. I'm hopeful after listening to Zatechka that we will see steady improvement over the next season and a half.
Weighing in on Tuco’s side. Next year NU will have four scholarship Oline Juniors and will rely on three to play a lot, with the possibility of getting something out the Senior Gaylord. Barnett should get him s degree and move on. They hope Bland can give them some help. A three for two guy would be a nice find actually, only Bando and Sichterman are now in that cohort. Get a guy in and RS him. Maybe find an athletic guy with a nice frame and let Duval go to work.
But this is a build that will take several years. Recruiting misses/busts plus poor development in multiple years. The Stache got murdered on this board and yet he coached all Americans and guys who are in the league. My defense of Cav was completely misplaced.
Barney Cotton was a much better coach than he ever got credit for. We never had great passing protection under him, but our OL was able to physically dominate most teams if we were committed to the run. I guess the other problem is our OL would inexcusably not show up to play in certain games. But when they did show up, we actually had pretty good line play under Cotton.
I keep forgetting about Gaylord. When asked by an outgoing player last year who we should watch this year on the O line, he said Gaylord. Yet I don't hear his name much.
Neal isn't very fast. He just knows the defense inside and out. He plays the game the way the coaches want him to. I think that is part of the deal as well . That said A Williams has been our best safety and I think D Williams has impressed more than the others with much less PT. My guess is that he is the most talented and is just behind a bit in knowing the defense. That said if/when he does he could easily become the best of the bunch. He's more athletic and faster than all of them.
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Good to hear from you oh great one. Weigh in more often when you can pry yourself away from the elite board..