Enough with the Suh revisionism

[DaddyBoi]

I have followed Suh his entire career, had the pleasure of seeing him play in person while at Nebraska. I’d go as far as to say he’s the best DL ever at Nebraska, and giving Ingram the Heisman was absolute robbery.

He is not the cleanest player to play the game, he plays with an almost unrivaled aggression that borders on being unsportsmanlike. That said, upon rewatching his dirtiest plays, comparing him to 44 from Colorado is ridiculous.

The dirtiest play of his career was the stomp against Green Bay:


Now if you watch, the GB player was trying to drive Suh into the ground when he was already on his knees, or effectively beaten. Suh was able to shift his weight and come out on top where they obviously exchanged words, and in a unsportsmanlike fashion, Suh held his head to the ground before being forced up by a total of 3 GB offensive lineman where I assume more words were exchanged.

To me, it appears as if Suh lost his footing when he attempted to push the OL back to the ground with his foot, admittedly a dirty move, resulting in him kicking the OL’s middle bicep which didn’t cause any injury. If you think getting kicked in the arm is a painful injury, my guess is you’ve never played football past middle school or experienced a helmet to a forearm.

Now compare that to Colorado’s 44, at the bottom of a pile, unprovoked by any other player twisting on the ligaments of a guy 100 lbs lighter than the guy Suh kicked. Suh’s aggression is “smash you in the mouth if you’re in the way”, not calculated efforts on how to severely injure skill positions.

I get us Husker fans take pride in being the most gracious of fans, but the Suh-related guilt is frankly soft and demonstrates a lack of knowledge over a violent sport.

 

[BeautifulDayintheNeighborhood]

I don’t think vontaze burfict is dirty. Just plays hard.

 

[huskerssalts]

Biggest and main difference between Suh and Colorado’s dirty douche bag player Number 44 (I won’t even say the douches name), is that Suh is on an NFL team playing for the Lions/Dolphins/whom ever else and done against another NFL players. Douche bag number 44 is in college playing for Colorado and pull said dirty move off against our Huskers. Naturally, as Husker fans, we have an issue with this.

As for Suhs deal, it wasn’t against a Fluffalo or even in the college level. Colorado Fluffalos have no bones in Suhs issues. Now if Suh did it against a Fluffalo, then maybe...They have no reason to even try and compare the two. And if you do, then the douche bag number 44 from the Fluffalos should be fined and suspended for his dirty move. Suh was punished and also had to pay out of pocket for his issue. 44 is hiding underneath his Head coaches skirt and playing innocent. While there AD shows his real colors. Straight biotch move. But then again, they are the Colorado Fluffolas, they will never be men, let alone man up.

 

[Solana Beach Husker]

Nice Try Buddy



Suh is a dirty *** player and a grown *** man. He is absolutely garbage...#44 is a college kid...Suh has a chance to be a hall o' famer who for some reason thinks stepping on people after a play is over is competitive. He plays like his mentor Bo...watch the clip and search for dirty clips, he has chop blocks, chokes, and like his dad,Bo, he hurts his team and has no apologies for it. He is the final residue of the Bo era.

I have followed Suh his entire career, had the pleasure of seeing him play in person while at Nebraska. I’d go as far as to say he’s the best DL ever at Nebraska, and giving Ingram the Heisman was absolute robbery.

He is not the cleanest player to play the game, he plays with an almost unrivaled aggression that borders on being unsportsmanlike. That said, upon rewatching his dirtiest plays, comparing him to 44 from Colorado is ridiculous.

The dirtiest play of his career was the stomp against Green Bay:


Now if you watch, the GB player was trying to drive Suh into the ground when he was already on his knees, or effectively beaten. Suh was able to shift his weight and come out on top where they obviously exchanged words, and in a unsportsmanlike fashion, Suh held his head to the ground before being forced up by a total of 3 GB offensive lineman where I assume more words were exchanged.

To me, it appears as if Suh lost his footing when he attempted to push the OL back to the ground with his foot, admittedly a dirty move, resulting in him kicking the OL’s middle bicep which didn’t cause any injury. If you think getting kicked in the arm is a painful injury, my guess is you’ve never played football past middle school or experienced a helmet to a forearm.

Now compare that to Colorado’s 44, at the bottom of a pile, unprovoked by any other player twisting on the ligaments of a guy 100 lbs lighter than the guy Suh kicked. Suh’s aggression is “smash you in the mouth if you’re in the way”, not calculated efforts on how to severely injure skill positions.

I get us Husker fans take pride in being the most gracious of fans, but the Suh-related guilt is frankly soft and demonstrates a lack of knowledge over a violent sport.

 

[huskerssalts]

Nice Try Buddy



Suh is a dirty *** player and a grown *** man. He is absolutely garbage...#44 is a college kid...Suh has a chance to be a hall o' famer who for some reason thinks stepping on people after a play is over is competitive. He plays like his mentor Bo...watch the clip above and tell me again that Suh is better than #44...ridiculous!

Suhs been punished and payed for his mistake/s. 44 is a chicken **** that’s playing innocent and hiding under his HCs skirt. I haven’t watched the NFL in years so I have no clue when Suh last pulled off a dirty Move but 44 just did his this past Saturday against our Huskers. My issue is the chicken ****, not something Suh done years ago.

 

[Ewooc]

Suhs been punished and payed for his mistake/s. 44 is a chicken **** that’s playing innocent and hiding under his HCs skirt. I haven’t watched the NFL in years so I have no clue when Suh last pulled off a dirty Move but 44 just did his this past Saturday against our Huskers. My issue is the chicken ****, not something Suh done years ago.

Yep, and I love people that justify what #44 did "because Suh does this or Philips did that." It doesn't matter who did what. It was in the past and it doesn't make any of it ok or acceptable. 2 wrongs don't make a right. #44 is piece of ****. Regardless of what anyone else did in the past. Should be suspended for the rest of the year.

 

[Solana Beach Husker]

Yep, and I love people that justify what #44 did "because Suh does this or Philips did that." It doesn't matter who did what. It was in the past and it doesn't make any of it ok or acceptable. 2 wrongs don't make a right. #44 is piece of ****. Regardless of what anyone else did in the past. Should be suspended for the rest of the year.

#44 pushed on a kid that had already awkwardly fell in a pile...a crap move, but a singular move that has not garnered punishment..probably with cause...#1 beat the **** out of a woman, attempted to kill some kids, did kill his cell mate, and then himself, #93 has attempted to hurt players after the whistle or in defenseless situations a dozen times at least. Please leave #44 out of the discussion with those two guys.

 

[RealTucoSalamanca]

Yep, and I love people that justify what #44 did "because Suh does this or Philips did that." It doesn't matter who did what. It was in the past and it doesn't make any of it ok or acceptable. 2 wrongs don't make a right. #44 is piece of ****. Regardless of what anyone else did in the past. Should be suspended for the rest of the year.

I haven’t once defended what any of them have done. I said it’s football and that **** is going to happen. It’s a dirty play. Fine. But the players hasnt been suspended and likely wont be.

As I said earlier if the play was so egregious, it should have been easy for the PAC 12 to see and suspend.

My issue is with our fan base who has no problem calling this player names but will justify the actions of former Nebraska players as something less than dirty plays they were. We celebrate players like Suh and Peter here and that is great. But when you celebrate them you get all they did not just what you want to see.

 

[Ewooc]

#44 pushed on a kid that had already awkwardly fell in a pile...a crap move, but a singular move that has not garnered punishment..probably with cause...#1 beat the **** out of a woman, attempted to kill some kids, did kill his cell mate, and then himself, #93 has attempted to hurt players after the whistle or in defenseless situations a dozen times at least. Please leave #44 out of the discussion with those two guys.

Once a **** head, usually always a **** head. It tends to follow people throughout their life. My guess is #44 has always been and always will be. Again still doesn't make it any less wrong. Or that he shouldn't be punished.

 

[huskerfan1414]

Late hits happen. Smal stuff happens. Punching happens. Pinching. Hell sack tags. Brawls or late hits. Players will mean to hurt opponents.
what 44 did is different. The difference is in more than one way.
First and foremost, his intent was injury. Ripping and twisting and rolling on a knee or ankle is intent to injure. You just dont do that. Injuring is different than a punch or shove for instance.
Secondly, his victim was not a player in a normal contact situation. Its not a db vs wr, lb vs ol or rb. Its an intent to injure the qb after the play.
Its the lowest of low.

 

[timnsun]

#44 pushed on a kid that had already awkwardly fell in a pile...a crap move, but a singular move that has not garnered punishment..probably with cause...#1 beat the **** out of a woman, attempted to kill some kids, did kill his cell mate, and then himself, #93 has attempted to hurt players after the whistle or in defenseless situations a dozen times at least. Please leave #44 out of the discussion with those two guys.

I disagree that he “pushed on a kid”. Maybe you didn’t see the ground level clip? If you haven’t, I recommend watching it.

If you have, I recommend you get your eyes checked.

 

[Bobs Polska Kielbasa]

Late hits happen. Smal stuff happens. Punching happens. Pinching. Hell sack tags. Brawls or late hits. Players will mean to hurt opponents.
what 44 did is different. The difference is in more than one way.
First and foremost, his intent was injury. Ripping and twisting and rolling on a knee or ankle is intent to injure. You just dont do that. Injuring is different than a punch or shove for instance.
Secondly, his victim was not a player in a normal contact situation. Its not a db vs wr, lb vs ol or rb. Its an intent to injure the qb after the play.
Its the lowest of low.

I don't understand how people cannot see that the intent to injure is way different than the things you mentioned. You have to wonder who has played send who hasn't.

 

[huskerfan1414]

I don't understand how people cannot see that the intent to injure is way different than the things you mentioned. You have to wonder who has played send who hasn't.

Agreed. It doesnt mean, however, that cheap shots or late hits should be acceptable. It doesnt mean theyre ok. But what this guy did was at another level of low.

 

[DaddyBoi]

Nice Try Buddy



Suh is a dirty *** player and a grown *** man. He is absolutely garbage...#44 is a college kid...Suh has a chance to be a hall o' famer who for some reason thinks stepping on people after a play is over is competitive. He plays like his mentor Bo...watch the clip and search for dirty clips, he has chop blocks, chokes, and like his dad,Bo, he hurts his team and has no apologies for it. He is the final residue of the Bo era.

Nice try Grandpa, but stepping on someone isn’t even in the same league as trying to twist someone’s leg around to tear a ligament. I gave a pretty detailed analysis on the clip that i’m guessing you couldn’t read atop your ivory tower.

Also, the “college kid” argument is a crock of ****. Dudes 6’2”, 250lbs at 21 years old and you talk like he’s a toddler that stole a candy bar.

 

[RealTucoSalamanca]

The only real difference is that the Colorado player doesn’t play at Nebraska. If he did, we would all be justifying the action and saying things like you can’t prove intent.

Let’s start another thread to discuss this though since the last one wasn’t enough.

 

[litespeedhuskerfan_rivals19671]

Suh can be an idiot, doesn't make somebody else's similar actions defensible. I wish Suh would quit doing that crap, it's bush league. There. Now it's your turn.

 

[o_Hit]

Stupid thread.

 

[73 Red I]

Suhs been punished and payed for his mistake/s. 44 is a chicken **** that’s playing innocent and hiding under his HCs skirt. I haven’t watched the NFL in years so I have no clue when Suh last pulled off a dirty Move but 44 just did his this past Saturday against our Huskers. My issue is the chicken ****, not something Suh done years ago.

If you were Colt McCoy, you might have a different perspective of a dirty college player. Suh would not be able to get away with his aggressive attitude if he were playing college football today. Nebraska fans would be calling for his head and to be punished for what in today's climate would have been personal fouls alla Reeds penalty this past Saturday.

 

[huskerfan1414]

The only real difference is that the Colorado player doesn’t play at Nebraska. If he did, we would all be justifying the action and saying things like you can’t prove intent.

Let’s start another thread to discuss this though since the last one wasn’t enough.

the fact is that what 44 did was cheap and dirtier than a typical late hit. Argue otherwise or STFU and stop telling us we wouldnt care if a husker did it.

 

[KingCorn_rivals490084]

Nice try Grandpa, but stepping on someone isn’t even in the same league as trying to twist someone’s leg around to tear a ligament. I gave a pretty detailed analysis on the clip that i’m guessing you couldn’t read atop your ivory tower.

Also, the “college kid” argument is a crock of ****. Dudes 6’2”, 250lbs at 21 years old and you talk like he’s a toddler that stole a candy bar.

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[RealTucoSalamanca]

the fact is that what 44 did was cheap and dirtier than a typical late hit. Argue otherwise or STFU and stop telling us we wouldnt care if a husker did it.

I never said it wasn’t cheap. I just think, in typical hypocritical fan boy mode, we make a bigger deal of it because it was a Nebraska player on the receiving end.

 

[DudznSudz]

I actually think the OP nailed it: Suh plays with a level of aggression and violence that borders on unsportsmanlike, and every once in a while, it is. I've seen him do very questionable stuff, however, like annihilating a guy on a punt return that looked awful, but a friend pointed out was a perfectly legal hit in the NFL until the year prior. Now, he still did it and shouldn't have, but my point (and a point brought up on this thread) is, this is a VERY violent game.

I felt worse for college kids having to play Suh; that was honestly flat out unfair at times, and he wasn't even doing as much violent stuff back then, though there certainly was some. I think in the NFL I have less sympathy; he gets called and fined for things, and he's doing it against guys who are getting paid a lot of money and who are also gigantic, egotistical, violent freaks like he is.

I think it's fair to say we're proud of the monster player Suh was for us, and is in the NFL, but that the guy definitely has a violent streak that should give anyone pause. Also, every time I've seen him interviewed, he's very calm and pretty thoughtful about things, further suggesting that the violence is just how he plays a very violent game, because he CAN. Aaron Rodgers pointed to him in saying "This is probably this most game-changing player of his generation." I think there's a reason for that.

 

[gw2kpro]

I didn't see Suh suited up attempting to tear the leg off Montez but maybe I should watch the game again.

 

[Ewooc]

If you were Colt McCoy, you might have a different perspective of a dirty college player. Suh would not be able to get away with his aggressive attitude if he were playing college football today. Nebraska fans would be calling for his head and to be punished for what in today's climate would have been personal fouls alla Reeds penalty this past Saturday.

I don't understand people defending this dirt bag player. There is ZERO defense, ZERO! It doesn't matter what anyone else has done in the past. Comparing a late hit, or punch or shove or an extra hard hit, is not even close to the same as knee twist. #44 was deliberately and intentionally attempting to end a guys season. Anyone who can't see that is either A. blind as a bat or B. a crappy human being. This was not a in the heat of the moment late hit. This type of play/ player is inexcusable. It shocks and disgusted me there are actual people, let alone husker fans defending this type of action.

 

[RealTucoSalamanca]

I don't understand people defending this dirt bag player. There is ZERO defense, ZERO! It doesn't matter what anyone else has done in the past. Comparing a late hit, or punch or shove or an extra hard hit, is not even close to the same as knee twist. #44 was deliberately and intentionally attempting to end a guys season. Anyone who can't see that is either A. blind as a bat or B. a crappy human being. This was not a in the heat of the moment late hit. This type of play/ player is inexcusable. It shocks and disgusted me there are actual people, let alone husker fans defending this type of action.

NO ONE IS DEFENDING THE PLAYER FOR HIS ACTIONS. You are confusing calling out our fan base for being holier than thou, and defense of the Colorado player's action.

It was a ********, dirty play. That wasn't punished. Time to move on.

 

[mgbreeze]

I can't believe no one brought up Christian Peter poking Chad May in the eye in a pile, or did I miss it? Football is dirty. I'm not about to start ranking dirty plays on the scale of "how dirty?".

 

[RealTucoSalamanca]

I can't believe no one brought up Christian Peter poking Chad May in the eye in a pile, or did I miss it? Football is dirty. I'm not about to start ranking dirty plays on the scale of "how dirty?".

Was Peter suspended by the league or Coach Osborne for that eyepoke?

 

[mgbreeze]

More along the lines of gleefully celebrated. Not by TO of course...

 

[Spartanhusker]

I didn't see Suh suited up attempting to tear the leg off Montez but maybe I should watch the game again.

MADE ME LAUGH....

 

[mgbreeze]

Just to be clear... I'm also not justifying 44's actions. It's more like, shrug and move on.

 

[Solana Beach Husker]

Nice try Grandpa, but stepping on someone isn’t even in the same league as trying to twist someone’s leg around to tear a ligament. I gave a pretty detailed analysis on the clip that i’m guessing you couldn’t read atop your ivory tower.

Also, the “college kid” argument is a crock of ****. Dudes 6’2”, 250lbs at 21 years old and you talk like he’s a toddler that stole a candy bar.

Suh has so many transgressions that this clip does not show all of them...he also chokes people, chop blocks them from behind when they aren't in the play, and slams heads and necks into the ground after he has already ripped off their helmet. The OP compared SUH to #44 and said #44 was worse....that is the most ridiculous statement, I am refuting that claim...I admitted that #44 was dirty...but Suh is on another level. #44 would literally have to do this 10-12 times to be in a SUH category. Put away your homer glasses and get real.

 

[NikkiSixx_rivals269993]

Nice Try Buddy



Suh is a dirty *** player and a grown *** man. He is absolutely garbage...#44 is a college kid...Suh has a chance to be a hall o' famer who for some reason thinks stepping on people after a play is over is competitive. He plays like his mentor Bo...watch the clip and search for dirty clips, he has chop blocks, chokes, and like his dad,Bo, he hurts his team and has no apologies for it. He is the final residue of the Bo era.

WRONG.. watch the clip again. The guy from green bay had bent Suh's legs back and was twisting on his foot as he was trying to get up, that is when Suh started fighting back. You can clearly see when his leg is released that he had a hold on his foot and was trying to torque it.

When someone is doing that to you, you damn well fight back. I can't believe people are so stupid to not see what is actually happening there.

 

[DaddyBoi]

No but what he did was cost Nebraska a win even with all their mistakes. Let that sink in. The fact that you feel like you have to come over here and defend him says enough.

Just think how you would feel if a NU layer did that to Montez. Enjoy your cheap win and be thankful sCUm got us on the first game because we were the much better team but you played mistake free football. Now run along the streetlights are the on. It’s past your bedtime.

Dude wtf are you talking about? I’m quite clearly a Husker fan if you notice that I started the thread lmao

Suh has so many transgressions that this clip does not show all of them...he also chokes people, chop blocks them from behind when they aren't in the play, and slams heads and necks into the ground after he has already ripped off their helmet. The OP compared SUH to #44 and said #44 was worse....that is the most ridiculous statement, I am refuting that claim...I admitted that #44 was dirty...but Suh is on another level. #44 would literally have to do this 10-12 times to be in a SUH category. Put away your homer glasses and get real.

Show me the evidence of Suh intentionally trying to cause injury.

 

[barney44]

It sucks, it’s a ****** deal but it’s something we just need to move on from. Our bitching will not change what happened.

 

[Ewooc]

#44 pushed on a kid that had already awkwardly fell in a pile...a crap move, but a singular move that has not garnered punishment..probably with cause...

Might want to take a closer look. Pushing and twisting on a leg are to very different things.

 

[DudznSudz]

Salt is salty!

 

[Solana Beach Husker]

Might want to take a closer look. Pushing and twisting on a leg are to very different things.

I watched it and seriously you are blinded by homerism...i'll eat crow if he is punished by a league, but actually objective observes do not think he did anything "unusual" for football. Hence why he hasn't been punished yet. Of course, HCSF is not an objective observer either, and he needs to protect his players, but to compare a guy giving a twist to a leg that he tackled is nothing like what SUH has done a dozen times. If this was the Bo years and colt mccoy had a twisted ankle, we would be jizzing our pants if Suh stomped on it or twisted it and then threw him on his face. I hate ignorant double standards...NU players are as dirty as any in history, accept it both ways, and deal with the reality of football or push for all players to stop the cheap shots...

 

[Solana Beach Husker]

Dude wtf are you talking about? I’m quite clearly a Husker fan if you notice that I started the thread lmao



Show me the evidence of Suh intentionally trying to cause injury.

Eat crow please...100,000 dollar fine...if you think this is a normal chop block.

 

[DaddyBoi]

Eat crow please...100,000 dollar fine...if you think this is a normal chop block.

No proof his intent was to injure, they were both running down the field in a live play.

You’re one of those soft Husker fans that was probably okay with Mike Riley for “being a nice guy and running a clean program.” Why don’t you get back to yelling at people for standing up at the stadium lmao

I watched it and seriously you are blinded by homerism...i'll eat crow if he is punished by a league, but actually objective observes do not think he did anything "unusual" for football. Hence why he hasn't been punished yet. Of course, HCSF is not an objective observer either, and he needs to protect his players, but to compare a guy giving a twist to a leg that he tackled is nothing like what SUH has done a dozen times. If this was the Bo years and colt mccoy had a twisted ankle, we would be jizzing our pants if Suh stomped on it or twisted it and then threw him on his face. I hate ignorant double standards...NU players are as dirty as any in history, accept it both ways, and deal with the reality of football or push for all players to stop the cheap shots...

Confirmed, I am embarrassed to have anything in common with you. Scott Frost, the guy who admitted the team he coached didn’t deserve to be called National Champions is not an objective observer? You are on a different planet dude.

Seriously, go root for Illinois or something.