Lets pretend....

[redwine65]

to me it seems like if you want to be a pro qb and make a lot. you might want to be second string and not get beat up in college.
sure you might not get that first year in the NFL high draft pick money.

but I seen a lot of Nebraska qb's get hurt and the second string qb get a shot. remember ohio state knocking Armstrong silly? and Armstrong was a tough qb built for hits.
plus the NFL scouts seem to be locked on to physical features for players, so if you could get thru college at second string,remain healthy, and have a good showing when you get the ball, and do well at the nfl combine...seems like you could still get the big money if you was good.

 

[RealTucoSalamanca]

Maybe Frost did tell them that privately and that's what he was planning to do. There's a difference between what a coach says to his players and what he says to the media.

So he told them privately, but only after it was made public did Gebbia skip practice and decide to transfer? makes sense.

If that were true, which it isn't, wouldn't that mean that Gebbia didn't make a rash decision 24 hours after being told of his back up status?

If Frost is telling the media different than what is really happening, maybe Gebbia told him a week ago he was transferring, you know when he found out that he was going to be the back up in the private meetings that he, Martinez and Frost were having.

 

[oldjar07]

So he tells his players the truth but he lies to the media and the public? Why? What would be so controversial in telling the public the truth here? Namely, that the competition is very close and will continue into the season.... Martinez will start but Gebbia will get his shots too. Why hide that if that is what he told the players? What does Frost have to gain here by lying to the public? I think you are reaching here oldjar

Frost is weird when it comes to the media. I can tell you he doesn't always tell the truth...

 

[ZJSARENOTFREE]

I call BS. I don't think many at all were expecting Gebbia to transfer this year when he was still here after the Spring Game. The vast majority of posters on here didn't want us to go after another qb this year, either because they were fine with what we had or were afraid of a transfer. If the staff brought in another qb and Gebbia left either in the spring or just like he did, the coaches would have caught a lot of grief for that.

WTF are you talking about? What are you calling BS on? This is a hypothetical of what I would have done.

 

[oldjar07]

WTF are you talking about? What are you calling BS on? This is a hypothetical of what I would have done.

I call BS that you would have hypothetically done that. Where was this knowledge of yours after the Spring game when Martinez seemed to be our most talented qb? Seems to be a lot of Captain Hindsights in here who could have done things better than the coaches. But I bet none of you saw this coming that we'd have our backup qb transfer a week before the season starts.

 

[ZJSARENOTFREE]

I call BS that you would have hypothetically done that. Where was this knowledge of yours after the Spring game when Martinez seemed to be our most talented qb? Seems to be a lot of Captain Hindsights in here who could have done things better than the coaches. But I bet none of you saw this coming that we'd have our backup qb transfer a week before the season starts.

All of this is hindsight and hypothetical. I never said Frost did anything wrong. The questions is what you would have done. For me it would have began back when he took the rains over. You're a gem.

 

[Bobs Polska Kielbasa]

Old Jar is right in talking about the Captain Hindsights. I see a lot of folks talk about prolonging this battle into the season. We have a freshman quarterback who desperately needs reps with his team. Would you really make a decision to cut his reps in half so you could trap the 2nd string guy into staying? Seems kind of ludicrous.

 

[ZJSARENOTFREE]

Old Jar is right in talking about the Captain Hindsights. I see a lot of folks talk about prolonging this battle into the season. We have a freshman quarterback who desperately needs reps with his team. Would you really make a decision to cut his reps in half so you could trap the 2nd string guy into staying? Seems kind of ludicrous.

Read the thread title again. Let's pretend..... All of this is hindsight because it happened..... Not sure how this is so hard to understand that this is a hypothetical thread and all opinion? SMH

 

[Pennsyhusker_rivals246774]

Frost is weird when it comes to the media. I can tell you he doesn't always tell the truth...

You "can tell me" he does not always tell the truth? How do you know this? Do you have inside information? Have you seen it first hand? Or are you just making **** up? lol. Just kidding.

 

[GeorgeFlippin]

Let’s pretend.... that Gebbia never transferred.

 

[MOhusker12]

Gebbia was really the 3rd best QB and Bunch was demoted to 3rd simply to keep Gebbia from transferring. So you can't take the staff at their word.

You need to pay better attention.

I actually agree with this based on the Spring Game, but that was one game/practice so I really have no idea if Bunch is better. I do know this, Bunch is not your typical walk-on. I believe he was rated a 3 star who went o JC to better his chances, but ultimately decided to walk-on to Nebraska.

 

[TheNewNU_rivals50820]

In 2016 Mckenzie Milton was buried at least 3 deep on the depth chart to start the season ... so I'm not sure this staff - or any staff - can accurately predict who their best QB will be without seeing them play in a game

Milton didnt get there til fall camp and then got dinged. But Frost says he was ready to start as soon as he got there.

 

[RealTucoSalamanca]

I actually agree with this based on the Spring Game, but that was one game/practice so I really have no idea if Bunch is better. I do know this, Bunch is not your typical walk-on. I believe he was rated a 3 star who went o JC to better his chances, but ultimately decided to walk-on to Nebraska.

So you believe that Frost demoted Bunch to 3rd to keep Gebbia from transferring? How did that work out?

 

[MOhusker12]

So you believe that Frost demoted Bunch to 3rd to keep Gebbia from transferring? How did that work out?

No I am simply agreeing that Bunch looked better in the Spring game, but that was just one game/practice.

 

[RealTucoSalamanca]

No I am simply agreeing that Bunch looked better in the Spring game, but that was just one game/practice.

Fair enough.

 

[inWV]

1. According to Frost, Milton was very much in the mix as a frosh at QB, but was dinged up early. FWIW, both Milton and Bunch were rated as 5.5 3*s coming out of HS.
2. Vedral followed Frost home to NU.
3. Frost could have slowed played Gebbia and not named a clear cut starter, but
a. didn't think of it
b. didn't want QB controversy leaking into the season
c. considered it but decided not to deviate from his plan
d. the competition wasn't as close in Frost's eyes as was being offered up for public consumption (I think it's d, and I believe Frost didn't think Gebbia would transfer this close to the beginning of the season and Gebbia probably wasn't giving that vibe at all.)

 

[kaz36_rivals189319]

Option 3: Don't just assume that everyone is/will be happy with where their position is on the depth chart and that you won't have any transfers. Over recruit the QB position so you aren't shocked when one of your QB's transfers and it leaves you short on depth.

 

[Ewooc]

Frost is weird when it comes to the media. I can tell you he doesn't always tell the truth...

A Friend/ former player said from the practice he witnessed Gebbia and Martinez did not look close. He said he was confused as to why Frost kept saying things were so close, from what he could see Martinez was by far the better guy.
Granted he was only at one practice, so this could have just been a day that Gebbia had a bad day and Martinez a good one.

 

[TheBeav815]

IMO, you don't know for sure what you're going to get out of a freshman QB until he's seen live game action. IMO, Frost should have continued the QB competition through Akron and then let the chips fall where they may. I heard a little too much "the starter is going to have a long leash" and not enough of "we're going to evaluate the position each and every week". Even if you name your starter and don't change it, the other guy has to at least know he has a reasonable chance at playing.

This. As soon as I heard the "long leash" stuff I was just about sure it was Martinez's job. The staff is catching some brutal lessons this week, and one of them is about why some coaches don't say much outside of pre-rehearsed coachspeak BS.

You say something like that and if I'm the #2 kid what I hear is, "Even if this guy is blowing it out there, you'll still be wearing a headset, not a helmet."

 

[Ewooc]

This. As soon as I heard the "long leash" stuff I was just about sure it was Martinez's job. The staff is catching some brutal lessons this week, and one of them is about why some coaches don't say much outside of pre-rehearsed coachspeak BS.

You say something like that and if I'm the #2 kid what I hear is, "Even if this guy is blowing it out there, you'll still be wearing a headset, not a helmet."

I really hope Frost isn't one of those type of coaches who sticks with a guy no matter how crappy they are playing. I understand the mentality of sticking with a guy, but if a guy is having a bad day. It is nice to be able to have someone to step in and maybe give the #1 guy time to clear his head for a play or a game. A long leash shouldn't mean he is the guy no matter what happens.

 

[SnohomishRed]

You continue to make things up. What history? Vedral played in games where UCF was up big, At Oregon Lockie played in blowouts and when Vernon Adams was injured. In 2016 at UCF, Patti and Holcomb played the majority of their snaps before Milton was named the starter or the game Milton missed with injury.

The overwhelming majority of the snaps for the backups came from the starter being injured or blowouts. That isn't giving them snaps to show what they are made of, those are blowout snaps. There is a huge difference.

What say you today after the nu coaches gave their take on how it happened. Do you feel differently about Gebbia's timing? Or does it appear he was misleading the coaching staff?

 

[TheBeav815]

Old Jar is right in talking about the Captain Hindsights. I see a lot of folks talk about prolonging this battle into the season. We have a freshman quarterback who desperately needs reps with his team. Would you really make a decision to cut his reps in half so you could trap the 2nd string guy into staying? Seems kind of ludicrous.

Nick Saban would.

 

[1NebrFan]

This. As soon as I heard the "long leash" stuff I was just about sure it was Martinez's job. The staff is catching some brutal lessons this week, and one of them is about why some coaches don't say much outside of pre-rehearsed coachspeak BS.

You say something like that and if I'm the #2 kid what I hear is, "Even if this guy is blowing it out there, you'll still be wearing a headset, not a helmet."

I don't think there have been any brutal lessons learned......I think after seeing all of our QB's for what 8 months?.....Frost was just stating what he believed. He determined that AM was our best option and he was going to give him time. You seem to be concerned about what our second string QB might think. Would you have preferred him say " I'm going to have AM on a short leash and as soon as he makes one mistake TG you are in " : ) I can see how you might have preferred he say nothing, but I have no problem with how he handled the situation.

 

[RealTucoSalamanca]

What say you today after the nu coaches gave their take on how it happened. Do you feel differently about Gebbia's timing? Or does it appear he was misleading the coaching staff?

It changes nothing about my opinion. He reacted to a situation, slept on it, probably contacted his parents then decided to go a different route. There is no misleading.

Gebbia left because he didn't want to be a 4 year back up. He needed to act fast in order to find a school that had an opening, wanted him, and one that hasn't started classes yet so he could transfer this year.

 

[jeans15]

Nick Saban would.

He has a roster to do anything he wants. Laughing

 

[oldjar07]

This. As soon as I heard the "long leash" stuff I was just about sure it was Martinez's job. The staff is catching some brutal lessons this week, and one of them is about why some coaches don't say much outside of pre-rehearsed coachspeak BS.

You say something like that and if I'm the #2 kid what I hear is, "Even if this guy is blowing it out there, you'll still be wearing a headset, not a helmet."

At the time he said it, I honestly didn't like it either. I think he said it to quell any controversy from the fanbase about who the #1 qb is right now. That doesn't mean Martinez gets every snap, I think the backup would have gotten plenty of snaps in games.

And I doubt what Frost said to the media had any effect on Gebbia's decision. He already had his bags packed and one foot out the front door by the start of fall camp.

 

[oldjar07]

Option 3: Don't just assume that everyone is/will be happy with where their position is on the depth chart and that you won't have any transfers. Over recruit the QB position so you aren't shocked when one of your QB's transfers and it leaves you short on depth.

Thanks Captain Hindsight. I was one who was arguing strongly for us to recruit another qb before the signing date for this year, and very few agreed with me at the time. Most of public opinion was that we didn't need another qb this year.

 

[NikkiSixx_rivals269993]

Someone may have alluded to it already, but it's possible Bunch was the actual backup anyway..

We have seen this from coaches before, where they call up the 3rd string guy over the supposed backup during a game and then make up some excuse as to why after.

The other thing is, everybody lies.. you tell your wife her hair is nice when it looks more like your dog's behind and sometimes I 'like' posts on here that I don't actually like too..

It's how we get along in society without killing each other.

 

[RealTucoSalamanca]

Thanks Captain Hindsight. I was one who was arguing strongly for us to recruit another qb before the signing date for this year, and very few agreed with me at the time. Most of public opinion was that we didn't need another qb this year.

I don't disagree. I just think if you were going to get an additional QB, it had to be a JUCO or grad transfer. But outside of Dawkins, Burrow and Wilson, who was there?


Now if you bring in a JUCO or grad transfer with more than 1 year of eligibility, you ran the risk of Gebbia leaving anyway. Especially if it was a dual threat guy. You knew what you have with him, you really don't know what Dawkins or Wilson can bring to the table. All things being even, I can see the logic.

If you look at it in foresight, if you didn't think Gebbia was going to transfer, you have two freshman QBs on the roster, a kid that will be the same class next year in Vedral and you knew you were getting at least one recruit for the 2019 class, add in Bunch and you have 5 QBs.

Bringing in another quality freshman wasn't going to happen, especially after Frost landed Martinez.

It may not have been about want and more about the pool of candidates weren't up to what Frost wanted. just an opinion

 

[TheBeav815]

I don't think there have been any brutal lessons learned......I think after seeing all of our QB's for what 8 months?.....Frost was just stating what he believed. He determined that AM was our best option and he was going to give him time. You seem to be concerned about what our second string QB might think. Would you have preferred him say " I'm going to have AM on a short leash and as soon as he makes one mistake TG you are in " : ) I can see how you might have preferred he say nothing, but I have no problem with how he handled the situation.

I would have liked to see them both in game action. From the sound bytes, it didn't seem that either of them had seized the job and been far and away better than the other on any consistent basis. You saw Crouch and Frost both, Newcombe and Crouch both. Berringer and Frazier both played in the Orange Bowl. Did the controversy tear those teams apart?

What happens now is they're gun-shy with the kid and don't wanna do exactly what won him the job: run him. If you had it in you to be scared of QB run game because of injuries then why'd you name him the starter? You're coaching scared of the thing that was supposed to make him the more dangerous weapon. How's that for irony?

For those who are so bullish on Bunch, I guess I'd ask why he still has no scholarship while Mazour and what's-his-*** the WR have em if he was secretly awesome the whole time.

 

[TheBeav815]

I don't disagree. I just think if you were going to get an additional QB, it had to be a JUCO or grad transfer. But outside of Dawkins, Burrow and Wilson, who was there?


Now if you bring in a JUCO or grad transfer with more than 1 year of eligibility, you ran the risk of Gebbia leaving anyway. Especially if it was a dual threat guy. You knew what you have with him, you really don't know what Dawkins or Wilson can bring to the table. All things being even, I can see the logic.

If you look at it in foresight, if you didn't think Gebbia was going to transfer, you have two freshman QBs on the roster, a kid that will be the same class next year in Vedral and you knew you were getting at least one recruit for the 2019 class, add in Bunch and you have 5 QBs.

Bringing in another quality freshman wasn't going to happen, especially after Frost landed Martinez.

It may not have been about want and more about the pool of candidates weren't up to what Frost wanted. just an opinion

Good thing they stayed away from Burrow, huh? You'd hate for them to have had any drama around the QB position or to have named a starter amid doubts as to how fair the competition truly was...

 

[F5Tornado]

In the end, life doesn't always turn out the way people want it, be it coaches, players, or fans. On to Saturday night!

 

[SnohomishRed]

Would gebbia have left when he finished 2nd behind POB? I wonder

 

[oldjar07]

I don't disagree. I just think if you were going to get an additional QB, it had to be a JUCO or grad transfer. But outside of Dawkins, Burrow and Wilson, who was there?


Now if you bring in a JUCO or grad transfer with more than 1 year of eligibility, you ran the risk of Gebbia leaving anyway. Especially if it was a dual threat guy. You knew what you have with him, you really don't know what Dawkins or Wilson can bring to the table. All things being even, I can see the logic.

If you look at it in foresight, if you didn't think Gebbia was going to transfer, you have two freshman QBs on the roster, a kid that will be the same class next year in Vedral and you knew you were getting at least one recruit for the 2019 class, add in Bunch and you have 5 QBs.

Bringing in another quality freshman wasn't going to happen, especially after Frost landed Martinez.

It may not have been about want and more about the pool of candidates weren't up to what Frost wanted. just an opinion

You're ok with the quality of our backup qb's then and have good enough depth to get us through the year? I know a lot of people think if they're walk-ons, they don't really count. I disagree with that viewpoint. Sure Fyfe was bad, but Ganz was a walk-on too and he did pretty well for us.

 

[RealTucoSalamanca]

You're ok with the quality of our backup qb's then and have good enough depth to get us through the year? I know a lot of people think if they're walk-ons, they don't really count. I disagree with that viewpoint. Sure Fyfe was bad, but Ganz was a walk-on too and he did pretty well for us.

I am not ok with the depth. I said in foresight, perhaps the reason they didn't go after another QB is that the pool of candidates wasn't what the thought would help. I am sure there are plenty of walk on Nebraska kids that could have been brought in for warm bodies. I don't think that was the plan.

 

[oldjar07]

I would have liked to see them both in game action. From the sound bytes, it didn't seem that either of them had seized the job and been far and away better than the other on any consistent basis. You saw Crouch and Frost both, Newcombe and Crouch both. Berringer and Frazier both played in the Orange Bowl. Did the controversy tear those teams apart?

What happens now is they're gun-shy with the kid and don't wanna do exactly what won him the job: run him. If you had it in you to be scared of QB run game because of injuries then why'd you name him the starter? You're coaching scared of the thing that was supposed to make him the more dangerous weapon. How's that for irony?

For those who are so bullish on Bunch, I guess I'd ask why he still has no scholarship while Mazour and what's-his-*** the WR have em if he was secretly awesome the whole time.

That what's his *** at WR has started in multiple games the last 2 years. The coaches are very high on Mazour at a critical position in this offense. There's only so many spots we had to award a scholarship and all who were awarded were very deserving.

 

[huskernorm]

This is why we should have brought on a transfer QB from the beginning. Having two guys who are both Freshman compete for the job was bound to end badly. We could have had Joe Burrow here for two years as the starter. Gebbia and Martinez could have battled it out to see who would be second string with the knowledge that the loser probably transfers. Martinez would have won the job for second string, redshirted, and had three years as the starting QB after Burrow graduated. This would have been the ideal situation.

 

[jlb321_rivals110621]

That what's his *** at WR has started in multiple games the last 2 years. The coaches are very high on Mazour at a critical position in this offense. There's only so many spots we had to award a scholarship and all who were awarded were very deserving.

Reimers is a senior and appears on the 2 deep

Mazour and Weinmaster are Juniors - take up scholarships for 2 years and do not appear on the 2 deep -where some positions list 3 or 4 players due to "or"

hopefully Mazour and Weinmaster play significant roles during meaningful minutes - I trust the coaches feel they definitively will otherwise, I can't imagine putting them on scholarship as juniors

 

[1NebrFan]

I would have liked to see them both in game action. From the sound bytes, it didn't seem that either of them had seized the job and been far and away better than the other on any consistent basis. You saw Crouch and Frost both, Newcombe and Crouch both. Berringer and Frazier both played in the Orange Bowl. Did the controversy tear those teams apart?

What happens now is they're gun-shy with the kid and don't wanna do exactly what won him the job: run him. If you had it in you to be scared of QB run game because of injuries then why'd you name him the starter? You're coaching scared of the thing that was supposed to make him the more dangerous weapon. How's that for irony?

For those who are so bullish on Bunch, I guess I'd ask why he still has no scholarship while Mazour and what's-his-*** the WR have em if he was secretly awesome the whole time.

You are assuming from " sound bytes " that neither of them had seized the job...can we be sure about that? Seems obvious to me that SF thought AM was the best option.

Honestly as long as we are engaging in hypotheticals....what happens if AM knocks it out of the park and TG ( had he stayed ) never takes a meaningful snap? Would you have felt that we did the right thing by TG? You are looking at things from the perspective of what YOU would have like to have seen , but not taking into account what TG thought was best for him. I certainly don't know who would have been the best choice at this point, but what I do know is who SF thought was the best choice and that is all that matters.

Also you are right about Berringer/Frazier and Newcombe/Crouch not tearing the team apart.....because nobody left when it was announced that they wouldn't start : )

 

[TheBeav815]

You are assuming from " sound bytes " that neither of them had seized the job...can we be sure about that? Seems obvious to me that SF thought AM was the best option.

Honestly as long as we are engaging in hypotheticals....what happens if AM knocks it out of the park and TG ( had he stayed ) never takes a meaningful snap? Would you have felt that we did the right thing by TG? You are looking at things from the perspective of what YOU would have like to have seen , but not taking into account what TG thought was best for him. I certainly don't know who would have been the best choice at this point, but what I do know is who SF thought was the best choice and that is all that matters.

Also you are right about Berringer/Frazier and Newcombe/Crouch not tearing the team apart.....because nobody left when it was announced that they wouldn't start : )

Either Gebbia would have transferred in December and we'd have shrugged it off like we did with O'Brien because his replacement would be on the way to campus or Martinez would have gotten hurt and Gebbia would have been needed and they'd prly have done a competition again in the spring with TG transferring if he lost it at that point.

And Crouch damn near left. They pretty much talked him off the ledge. But Newcombe had a partial tear in his knee and was struggling. They didn't give the job to Bobby and just let him have all the long leash he needed.

When Newcombe was back healthy they had a plan to get him on the field and he was still a big part of the plan at QB if Crouch had gotten hurt.