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chipotlehusker

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why do we Huskers care? On the other foot, would you opine differently? Most likely, you would. Save your energy for our Huskers. oTSU will do what they think is best for their University & ft ball team. We would do the same (or at least most of us-? Don’t get carried away. ) Lots of hypocrisy & misplaced energy here !
Concentrate on our soon to be superior program!!
 
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Well if they didn't want the whole world to know, the press conference would have been held on some sort of closed circuit TV that only those in Columbus could watch.
 

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We would do the same (or at least most of us-? Don’t get carried away. ) Lots of hypocrisy & misplaced energy here !
You need to check yourself with truly stupid comments like these. Maybe you are ok with a coach that keeps a wife beating dirt bag on his staff at two different schools for years on end, lies about it, covers it up, then lies about it some more, but I would prefer that you don't paint me with your broad brush. No, I wouldn't be OK with a coach here doing the same thing.
 
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You need to check yourself with truly stupid comments like these. Maybe you are ok with a coach that keeps a wife beating dirt bag on his staff at two different schools for years on end, lies about it, covers it up, then lies about it some more, but I would prefer that you don't paint me with your broad brush. No, I wouldn't be OK with a coach here doing the same thing.

Disagreeing with somebody doesn't automatically make anyone's comments stupid.

He said "most of us", and I agree with that statement. I want would him to stay, I admit it.
 
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As an employer I have zero clue on what my guys do on their time off, unless they make the news. (Thats another story). If I were to discover that one of my guys physically or verbally abused their spouse, I would definitely sit down with them and discuss the situation. Depending upon how valuable they are to me is whether or not I would terminate them. I would keep it as low-key as possible and try to keep any of that from surfacing to the other employees. I can understand where Urban said he was caught off guard at the Big Ten media days and can see why he said what he said.

Until you're sitting in the chair of having to make these types of decisions, it is extremely easy to throw stones. There's a lot more that goes into it then just pulling the trigger to fire people. I'm not sure there was the perfect solution to this, and not sure there ever will be.
 
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As an employer I have zero clue on what my guys do on their time off, unless they make the news. (Thats another story). If I were to discover that one of my guys physically or verbally abused their spouse, I would definitely sit down with them and discuss the situation. Depending upon how valuable they are to me is whether or not I would terminate them. I would keep it as low-key as possible and try to keep any of that from surfacing to the other employees. I can understand where Urban said he was caught off guard at the Big Ten media days and can see why he said what he said.

Until you're sitting in the chair of having to make these types of decisions, it is extremely easy to throw stones. There's a lot more that goes into it then just pulling the trigger to fire people. I'm not sure there was the perfect solution to this, and not sure there ever will be.

And if you keep it low-key and keep the person employed when your employee is on the news arrested for beating his wife...again. The rest of your employees are going to question your decision making, especially your female employees Jmho
 
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I can understand where Urban said he was caught off guard at the Big Ten media days and can see why he said what he said.
How in the hell could Urban be caught off guard when he fired the person the day before and his AD told him to get out in front of this at Big Ten media days by referencing the 2009 and 2015 incidents?
 

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Not sure why we "care", but I'll admit the situation is fascinating to me because I can't figure out why a coaching giant like Urb would risk keeping a wife-beating piece of crap like this on staff. Was he that great of a WR coach/recruiter? Considering that Urb has a revolving door at offensive coordinator and still succeeds, I doubt his coaching ability was the main factor. I just think ol' Zach and Urb have a bromance, two peas in a pod.
 

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Not sure why we "care", but I'll admit the situation is fascinating to me because I can't figure out why a coaching giant like Urb would risk keeping a wife-beating piece of crap like this on staff. Was he that great of a WR coach/recruiter? Considering that Urb has a revolving door at offensive coordinator and still succeeds, I doubt his coaching ability was the main factor. I just think ol' Zach and Urb have a bromance, two peas in a pod.

If Mike Osborne coached the tight ends, he might be given a little more elastic than perhaps some other coach without lineal ties to the program. Not saying that it is right, but loyalty is a funny fickle thing.
 

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And if you keep it low-key and keep the person employed when your employee is on the news arrested for beating his wife...again. The rest of your employees are going to question your decision making, especially your female employees Jmho

They shouldn't because the court of law is supposed to decide these things. Charges are filed...the prosecutor determines if there is a case, if a criminal case is warranted then you begin to look at the available evidence and make decision. Too many times people have been accused of misconduct only to have the case thrown out and a person out of a job with a ruined reputation. Being falsely accused of a terrible crime, losing a career and any prospects is as bad as the possible crime itself. Urban was unwise in hiring him a 2nd time, but being unwise and trusting an untrustworthy person does not warrant firing.
 
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As an employer I have zero clue on what my guys do on their time off, unless they make the news. (Thats another story). If I were to discover that one of my guys physically or verbally abused their spouse, I would definitely sit down with them and discuss the situation. Depending upon how valuable they are to me is whether or not I would terminate them. I would keep it as low-key as possible and try to keep any of that from surfacing to the other employees. I can understand where Urban said he was caught off guard at the Big Ten media days and can see why he said what he said.

Until you're sitting in the chair of having to make these types of decisions, it is extremely easy to throw stones. There's a lot more that goes into it then just pulling the trigger to fire people. I'm not sure there was the perfect solution to this, and not sure there ever will be.

I’m an employer as well, so I do sit in that chair and while agree that it’s not a cut and dried issue I would lean toward termination in this situation regardless of the value of the employee. I would have a discussion with the employee and would likely offer help, but my biggest concern would be the safety of other employees and clients. My concern in that situation would be a lawsuit. If that employee did abuse another employee and it was made known that I, as the employer, knew of the previous abuse (especially abuse that lead to police intervention and arrests) could I be held liable if the abused employee decided to sue? And by keeping quite, am I displaying a lack of integrity toward my employees and clients. It’s hard to say, but IMO all employees are replaceable, ESPECIALLY if there is an integrity issue involved. I would also be concerned about the culture within the office. If I have a potentially abusive employee, over the long term it’s going to have a negative effect on culture and probably cost me even more valueable employees.

Just to demonstrate how this can impact a person or team you need look no further than Maryland and DJ Durkin. Durkin is a Myer protégé and I have to assume much of his coaching style is a direct result of Myer’s teaching. Essentially what Durkin has done boils down to the abuse of players, that ultimately resulted in the death of a player. If Smith is willing to abuse his wife, what was he doing to the players under his supervision, and how much of THAT abuse does Myer know? My guess is there are a ton of players who have played under both Smith and Myer that have long remained silent for one reason or another. That alone is why I would lean heavily in favor of termination of an abusive employee.
 
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They shouldn't because the court of law is supposed to decide these things. Charges are filed...the prosecutor determines if there is a case, if a criminal case is warranted then you begin to look at the available evidence and make decision. Too many times people have been accused of misconduct only to have the case thrown out and a person out of a job with a ruined reputation. Being falsely accused of a terrible crime, losing a career and any prospects is as bad as the possible crime itself. Urban was unwise in hiring him a 2nd time, but being unwise and trusting an untrustworthy person does not warrant firing.

Ok. And everyone in prison is innocent and were targeted. Sure being falsely accused sucks. But if you put yourself in a situation where you can be falsely accused you have some sort of blame. Also far more spousal abuse goes unreported than men who are falsely accused. I’ll take the people being falsely accused of it means more women report real abuse and aren’t afraid to report.
 

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You need to check yourself with truly stupid comments like these. Maybe you are ok with a coach that keeps a wife beating dirt bag on his staff at two different schools for years on end, lies about it, covers it up, then lies about it some more, but I would prefer that you don't paint me with your broad brush. No, I wouldn't be OK with a coach here doing the same thing.
TO played multiple players who assaulted women and other criminals..... and I’m fine with it.
 

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Ok. And everyone in prison is innocent and were targeted. Sure being falsely accused sucks. But if you put yourself in a situation where you can be falsely accused you have some sort of blame. Also far more spousal abuse goes unreported than men who are falsely accused. I’ll take the people being falsely accused of it means more women report real abuse and aren’t afraid to report.

Boy, I can't disagree any more with that statement. I have been on both ends of these deals. Had to do the investigations and make serious decisions with the person's career in the balance and was falsely accused at one time and the investigation, although bumbled ultimately proved my innocence. What I learned is that when someone threatens to get back at you for suspending their student, you might file that away should the person actually follow through with it a year or two later. People will do and say anything, the don't care who gets hurt or how bad it makes them look, and evidence isn't necessary these days.
 
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Sorry for your false acusation ordeal. It sucks. Doesn’t change my opinion that 90% of the time the person being falsely accused was in a situation that they shouldn’t have been. And that because there are people who falsely accuse, it doesn’t mean that every female who claims abuse, where there isn’t a conviction, is lying.
 
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You need to check yourself with truly stupid comments like these. Maybe you are ok with a coach that keeps a wife beating dirt bag on his staff at two different schools for years on end, lies about it, covers it up, then lies about it some more, but I would prefer that you don't paint me with your broad brush. No, I wouldn't be OK with a coach here doing the same thing.


From what I understand, he wasn't ever arrested for domestic violence. From what I understand, the mothers of both Zack and Courtney said that Courtney would attack him. From what I understand, Courtney is a crazy woman. When the police don't arrest the suspect and your own mother says her complaint is false, well, I don't believe her. You continue with your righteous indignation though.
 

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All right then red scowl..

Explain everything else, according to your understanding.
 
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TO played multiple players who assaulted women and other criminals..... and I’m fine with it.

While I think he may still have been wrong to play those players, there is a big difference between keeping an abusive player on the team and keeping an abusive coach on staff. The coach might well view it as part of his job to help mold the player's character, and feel that he can best positively influence the player within the structure of the team. It isn't a head coach's job to teach an assistant how to be a better man. Depending on the program, it might be part of the assistant coach's job to positively influence the players he coaches. If that's the case, it's unacceptable to have an abusive coach. Hitting or choking a woman is significantly worse than a DUI, because while both can have tragic consequences, crimes of malice are worse than crimes of negligence or poor judgment.
 

red scowl

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Your understanding of the entire situation.

Is a university a secular institution? And how is my understanding incomplete? The first question is in regards to morals, principles or in the case of an organization - personal conduct. I'll check back tomorrow maybe.
 

red scowl

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Your understanding of the entire situation.

While I think Meyer and Smith are scumbags, they wouldn't have this scrutiny without Meyers accomplishments. There is a quote from someone (I don't know who) that people like to build up heroes so they can tear them down. I think that's fitting.
 

oldjar07

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Your understanding of the entire situation.
They're both batshit crazy. They were both likely abusing each other mentally and physically and should suffer the same punishment if there was enough evidence to convict either of them. I wouldn't be surprised if a lot of the sexual deviancy Zach was accused of was her idea as well.
 
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They shouldn't because the court of law is supposed to decide these things. Charges are filed...the prosecutor determines if there is a case, if a criminal case is warranted then you begin to look at the available evidence and make decision. Too many times people have been accused of misconduct only to have the case thrown out and a person out of a job with a ruined reputation. Being falsely accused of a terrible crime, losing a career and any prospects is as bad as the possible crime itself. Urban was unwise in hiring him a 2nd time, but being unwise and trusting an untrustworthy person does not warrant firing.
So following the story do you feel like he is being falsely accused just because he has not been convicted of a crime? It is stories like Zach Smith and dragging his ex wife through the mud and people wander why alot of women don't report domestic abuse.

Thankfully I'm not in the type of position to have to figure UM future but after watching him talk at the press conference not making one mention about Courtney Smith until asked about it and still fumbled his words. He is a pathetic person and needs to go away. And I know my opinion differs from yours but I feel Ohio state made a huge mistake in not parting with this guy
 
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From what I understand, he wasn't ever arrested for domestic violence. From what I understand, the mothers of both Zack and Courtney said that Courtney would attack him. From what I understand, Courtney is a crazy woman. When the police don't arrest the suspect and your own mother says her complaint is false, well, I don't believe her. You continue with your righteous indignation though.
From what I understand courtney has a restraining order against zach. From what I understand you can't get one in Ohio unless a judge or magistrate approves it. From what I understand a judge/magistrate need reasonable evidence to make rulings like for everything. So it doesn't matter what anybody else says. Also I'll add being abuse can/will make people crazy. Courtney has suffered abuse since Florida with a feeling of hopelessness. How would that effect anybody's mental health.
 
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They're both batshit crazy. They were both likely abusing each other mentally and physically and should suffer the same punishment if there was enough evidence to convict either of them. I wouldn't be surprised if a lot of the sexual deviancy Zach was accused of was her idea as well.
Or maybe they have photos and other proof of his sexual deviancy.
 

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So following the story do you feel like he is being falsely accused just because he has not been convicted of a crime? It is stories like Zach Smith and dragging his ex wife through the mud and people wander why alot of women don't report domestic abuse.

Thankfully I'm not in the type of position to have to figure UM future but after watching him talk at the press conference not making one mention about Courtney Smith until asked about it and still fumbled his words. He is a pathetic person and needs to go away. And I know my opinion differs from yours but I feel Ohio state made a huge mistake in not parting with this guy
I highly doubt Coutney Smith is innocent here. She was abusing him and other people as well, but is she going to get convicted for it? The fact that she dragged this out in public and was trying to get at Urban Meyer and Ohio State as well tells me all I need to know.
 
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I highly doubt Coutney Smith is innocent here. She was abusing him and other people as well, but is she going to get convicted for it? The fact that she dragged this out in public and was trying to get at Urban Meyer and Ohio State as well tells me all I need to know.
She must have just out smarted him then. She has all the documentation of when he abused her. And the only documentation I see from him is the IM SO SORRY TEXT for abusing her. Sigh but yes carry on I'm sure Courtney abused him as well as other people
 

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I highly doubt Coutney Smith is innocent here. She was abusing him and other people as well, but is she going to get convicted for it? The fact that she dragged this out in public and was trying to get at Urban Meyer and Ohio State as well tells me all I need to know.

Even if she isn't totally innocent, you still can't pick a female up by her neck, abuse her in other ways, and continue to stalk her. Urban's biggest screw up was keeping that dbag around and then constantly covering for his ***. I don't know what is so hard for you to understand. This all goes away if Urban is smart enough to notice Zach Smith is a whack job, and got rid of him back at Florida. Instead all he has done is dig himself a deeper whole because he is a POS as well.
 
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Even if she isn't totally innocent, you still can't pick a female up by her neck, abuse her in other ways, and continue to stalk her. Urban's biggest screw up was keeping that dbag around and then constantly covering for his ***. I don't know what is so hard for you to understand. This all goes away if Urban is smart enough to notice Zach Smith is a whack job, and got rid of him back at Florida. Instead all he has done is dig himself a deeper whole because he is a POS as well.

This all goes away if Ohio St and Urban Meyer were just honest at Big Ten Media days. If he and Gene Smith say the same thing at Big Ten Media Days that they said at the press conference following the investigation, along with something about domestic violence, it ends there. They had already fired Zach Smith by the time Meyer had to go to the podium. A simple apology about loyalty to Earl Bruce, looking the other way too much and domestic violence is a bad thing. There would have been no investigation, no suspension, McMurphy may have even dropped the story because Meyer would have taken away a bit of his ammunition.

Now Meyer looks like an *** because he wants to play the victim.
 
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She must have just out smarted him then. She has all the documentation of when he abused her. And the only documentation I see from him is the IM SO SORRY TEXT for abusing her. Sigh but yes carry on I'm sure Courtney abused him as well as other people
Exactly we only have documentation from one side of this story because she went to the media with it. It's not like this situation was tried in a court of law where both sides could present evidence to support their argument. This was plain and simple a media witch hunt.
 
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Exactly we only have documentation from one side of this story because she went to the media with it. It's not like this situation was tried in a court of law where both sides could present evidence to support their argument. This was plain and simple a media witch hunt.
What in the heck. So there's no way they could get their side out? Just one reporter in all of America huh? Please don't try to respond with anything about them doing anything the right way, this guy lied straight to everyone's face the other was taking pics of his junk and adulterous behavior all while feuding with wideouts and target.
 

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Exactly we only have documentation from one side of this story because she went to the media with it. It's not like this situation was tried in a court of law where both sides could present evidence to support their argument. This was plain and simple a media witch hunt.

Maybe you should just sit out a couple plays, Champ.