Frost Recruiting Blueprint?

[RealTucoSalamanca]

Coach has not even coached a game yet and people are up in arms in recruiting. Let the coach do his thing. It's July months away from signing day. Win games and get recruits attention. It will all come together. Frost will have the big red machine humming again.

GBR

It’s a freaking message board and discussion forum. Things get discussed. Sometimes people speculate and look to the future. People are already counting wins in 2019 and potential starting line ups for 2019. I am pretty sure discussing the status of the current recruiting class is acceptable.

 

[oldjar07]

Tend to agree to a point. I think the recruiting actually fell off after Kelly left, but you saw improvement from when Belloti was the coach to where Kelly was the coach.

Oregon recruiting rankings while Frost was on the staff.

Disclaimer: these rankings are not an indication of how Frost will recruit to Nebraska, or that he was totally responsible for the recruiting at Oregon. These rankings are strictly from Rivals.

Kelly HC

2009 - 32nd 4 4stars - 4 of 26 4/5 star
2010- 13th 1 5 star, 10 4 stars - 11 of 24 4/5 star
2011 - 9th 2 5 stars, 9 4 stars - 11 of 23 4/5 star
2012 - 16th, 10 4 stars - 10 of 21 4/5 star

Helfrich HC
2013 - 22nd 1 5 star, 7 4 stars - 8 of 19 4/5 star
2014 - 26th 5 4 stars 5/21 4/5 star
2015 - 17th 8 4 stars - 8 of 22 4/5 star
*2016 - 25th 5 4 stars - 4 of 20 4/5 star

*even though Frost left for UCF in Dec 2015 3/4 of the class was already committed.

Oregon played in the national title games following the 2010 season and the 2013 season. But if you look at the talent that would have been on the 2013 team (2010-2013 classes, there were 40 4/5 star players, out of 87 recruits. Maybe it was all Helfrich's issues, but from 2013 to 2016, the year Frost left to go to UCF, that pct had dwindled from 46% to 32%, and the record in 2015 was 9-4.

I know @SoFL Husker it's just more stats and analytics, but it is certainly weird how they accurately show how a team performed.

So from 2015 to 2016, when that percentage changes just a few points, that correlates from going from 9 wins to 4 wins? If only they recruited a couple more 4 stars during that period, they would have had 5 more wins. I'm sure it had nothing to do with losing the offensive mind that just went undefeated last year.

 

[RealTucoSalamanca]

So from 2015 to 2016, when that percentage changes just a few points, that correlates from going from 9 wins to 4 wins? If only they recruited a couple more 4 stars during that period, they would have had 5 more wins. I'm sure it had nothing to do with losing the offensive mind that just went undefeated last year.

I didn’t even bring up to 2016 season. I brought up the 2016 recruiting class, with an asterisk and explanation. I never mentioned the 4 win season only the 9 win season in 2015. I get you have a boner for me, I only ask that you don’t try and change what I wrote to fit whatever narrative you are pushing.

Back to your regularly scheduled program.

 

[inWV]

Don’t get what the big deal is. The offer lists for most of the kids in the class are solid. The staff pulled the trigger on a few kids that they must like as a result of their evaluation. For example, they really like Anderson’s frame and the fact that he carries little bad weight. Duvall will play mad scientist with Matt for a couple of years and then we will see if he can crack the two-deep. I doubt Frost cared what or if Anderson was ranked.

 

[jflores]

I think what Frost is demonstrating is about what the last couple of coaches have demonstrated. namely if we land a decent percentage of our first choices we're probably looking at 15th or so rated recruiting class.

NU is not really positioned to haul in a Top 10 or even Top 15class every single year without fail. I'm not even sure Scott has made that his priority given the speech he gave that sounded eerily similar to Pelinis coaching up the stars thing and he's already taking on project commits and we are 30 days to kick and haven't used any officials yet.

Scott as far as I can tell is doing a better job at filling in every position group in a class and general roster management. He's proven so far he can develop lesser talent.

But for me, I don't think Scott is going to out Bama Bama on the recruiting trail until he's already won something big. And even then he probably still won't but will be alot closer more regularly.

 

[TruHusker]

I think what Frost is demonstrating is about what the last couple of coaches have demonstrated. namely if we land a decent percentage of our first choices we're probably looking at 15th or so rated recruiting class.

NU is not really positioned to haul in a Top 10 or even Top 15class every single year without fail. I'm not even sure Scott has made that his priority given the speech he gave that sounded eerily similar to Pelinis coaching up the stars thing and he's already taking on project commits and we are 30 days to kick and haven't used any officials yet.

Scott as far as I can tell is doing a better job at filling in every position group in a class and general roster management. He's proven so far he can develop lesser talent.

But for me, I don't think Scott is going to out Bama Bama on the recruiting trail until he's already won something big. And even then he probably still won't but will be alot closer more regularly.

Some of the stuff I am reading is pretty amazing, I think it fits into the "fan rationalization" category in spades. I know I will get labeled a Debbie Downer but I have always dealt in reality and the facts of the current situation in the business world so I tend to look at things with the rose colored glasses set aside and ones that allow me to look clearly at things on.

Someone tell me where there is evidence that this coaching staff has a history of "developing lesser talent" in a P5 conference or the B1G for that matter? What's the definition of "lessor"? Does anyone think realistically that any team can consistently be successful recruiting the "lessor" talent and depending on developing it? The evidence proves otherwise on the National Stage. I understand we are behind the rest of the Nation's best in attracting the best players due to our most recent history. I am aware and OK with that, it is to be expected and clearly part of the rebuilding process. But let's not sugarcoat things thinking this current method is the clear path to competing for championships regularly.

Stars don't matter, recruit players to the scheme, find the diamonds in the undiscovered mines, Duval is a mad scientist and all of that are smoke screens for where we are at. Yes, some immediate spaces were filled with transfers to fill out the roster but I don't see where there there is a lot of past history that they will ever contribute to this current team - shoot one kid has barely played in the past three years!

Does everyone really think that Frost is owner of this O and holds all the keys to its success? Every coach knows what he is going and how it works, but not everyone wants to run it but that doesn't mean that there aren't nationally ranked players that could fit into the Frost system aside from those that "fit his scheme."

I am excited to begin this year but I also believe the curve is pretty high and all the rationalization of where the program is at won't magically make it better. There are no magic bullets aside from hard work, great coaching and great athletes. Only until you have ALL of the pieces will the puzzle come together.

 

[oldjar07]

I didn’t even bring up to 2016 season. I brought up the 2016 recruiting class, with an asterisk and explanation. I never mentioned the 4 win season only the 9 win season in 2015. I get you have a boner for me, I only ask that you don’t try and change what I wrote to fit whatever narrative you are pushing.

Back to your regularly scheduled program.

Now why wouldn't you mention the 2016 season? Oh yeah, it doesn't really fit your narrative does it. You just pick and choose stats that fit your narrative and ignore everything that doesn't. That's not analytics, that's propaganda.

 

[jflores]

I'm not really rationalizing anything. I'm fine with either approach really. I think some folks thought Frost was going to walk in here and come away with a Top 10 class. It doesn't appear to be Scott's formost concern nor does it appear that just his name is going to drag in a bunch of heretofore uninterested five stars anyway.

Particularly in the trenches...when harbaugh was hired it seemed like every top 250 lineman signed up to play ball with michigan. I think so far our recruiting at this position has been about par for the course include some projects. I believe SSO on another forum had stated that Scott had told him the OL and CB recruiting were developing slower than planned.

I'm excited about where we're headed but I guess my opinion is for the fan that thought this would mark the era of saban esque recruiting...it's not going to be like that u til we get some bling again IMO

 

[jflores]

One thing to consider is this thread is that we were all pretty excited the last couple years when Bookie and a bunch of highly touted recruits were interested in NU but ultimately a goodly chunk of them all went elsewhere.

One thing SSO mentioned as well was that Frost was battling the mindset that alot of these guys were promised things to get them here and now he's trying to get them into a competition mindset. And that going forward that wasn't going to be his style in the trail.

If thats truly the case then yah, expecting a lot of Top 250 Sec kids to end up in Lincoln is probably not going to happen.

Pelinis best class had what 12 or 14 four stars in it? And it ended up 14th - 17th depending on what service you looked at. I think that's about what Scott is going to do on average until we get the momentum going.

 

[oldjar07]

Some of the stuff I am reading is pretty amazing, I think it fits into the "fan rationalization" category in spades. I know I will get labeled a Debbie Downer but I have always dealt in reality and the facts of the current situation in the business world so I tend to look at things with the rose colored glasses set aside and ones that allow me to look clearly at things on.

Someone tell me where there is evidence that this coaching staff has a history of "developing lesser talent" in a P5 conference or the B1G for that matter? What's the definition of "lessor"? Does anyone think realistically that any team can consistently be successful recruiting the "lessor" talent and depending on developing it? The evidence proves otherwise on the National Stage. I understand we are behind the rest of the Nation's best in attracting the best players due to our most recent history. I am aware and OK with that, it is to be expected and clearly part of the rebuilding process. But let's not sugarcoat things thinking this current method is the clear path to competing for championships regularly.

Stars don't matter, recruit players to the scheme, find the diamonds in the undiscovered mines, Duval is a mad scientist and all of that are smoke screens for where we are at. Yes, some immediate spaces were filled with transfers to fill out the roster but I don't see where there there is a lot of past history that they will ever contribute to this current team - shoot one kid has barely played in the past three years!

Does everyone really think that Frost is owner of this O and holds all the keys to its success? Every coach knows what he is going and how it works, but not everyone wants to run it but that doesn't mean that there aren't nationally ranked players that could fit into the Frost system aside from those that "fit his scheme."

I am excited to begin this year but I also believe the curve is pretty high and all the rationalization of where the program is at won't magically make it better. There are no magic bullets aside from hard work, great coaching and great athletes. Only until you have ALL of the pieces will the puzzle come together.

JC he did exactly what you're saying at UCF. How much more proof do you need than that? He coached up the talent and went undefeated with a team with a much lower average star rating than we currently have on our roster. In terms of star rating, our team is far more talented than UCF was last year, and that Auburn game proved he could beat any team in the country with a roster full of 2 and 3 star players. He's recruiting 3 and 4 star players at Nebraska so imagine what he can do with that.

 

[Hastings4Huskers]

It’s a freaking message board and discussion forum. Things get discussed. Sometimes people speculate and look to the future. People are already counting wins in 2019 and potential starting line ups for 2019. I am pretty sure discussing the status of the current recruiting class is acceptable.

It is a message board your are correct way to go.... Everyone can have an opinion and it is acceptable? That is why I stated mine funny how that works

 

[jeans15]

After this year's mediocre season, people will already start to question his recruiting blueprint, and frustrations will grow and grow in the off season while Nebraskans have nothing else to think about except how farming and ranching will survive the trade wars.

Stupid post.

No trade war. EU caved like Trump said they would.

 

[Skerz4Life50]

Now why wouldn't you mention the 2016 season? Oh yeah, it doesn't really fit your narrative does it. You just pick and choose stats that fit your narrative and ignore everything that doesn't. That's not analytics, that's propaganda.

Maybe I’m misunderstanding your point, and if so I apologize to start, but wouldn’t including the 2016 when they only won 4 games further help the point he was trying to make...namely that a decrease in the number of blue chip (4 and 5 stars) leads to a decrease/gets you further away from a national championship.

At least how I read it was that Oregon recruited great under Chip Kelly to the point where almost 50% of their prospects were 4 or 5 stars by the 2013 national championship. After Kelly left for the NFL, however, the number of blue chip prospects dropped fairly substainally leading to 9 wind, and then 4 wins (and the firing of Helfrich). I didn’t read in any way that this was some kind of negative toward Frost, more that Chip Kelly had a certain draw to Oregon that Helfrich couldn’t duplicate. It also was proving the point that in order to truly compete for national titles, about 50% of your roster needs to be 4 and 5 star players (which was in a thread started by jlb)

 

[TruHusker]

JC he did exactly what you're saying at UCF. How much more proof do you need than that? He coached up the talent and went undefeated with a team with a much lower average star rating than we currently have on our roster. In terms of star rating, our team is far more talented than UCF was last year, and that Auburn game proved he could beat any team in the country with a roster full of 2 and 3 star players. He's recruiting 3 and 4 star players at Nebraska so imagine what he can do with that.

For crying out loud, I watched the Auburn game and several others as well. Are you going to base EVERYTHING off of that one game? Appalachian State beat Michigan one year as well so what does that mean? It means they beat them one time which doesn't transfer to long term winning. Yes, UCF beat Auburn, Michigan also beat UCF the year before so what does that mean? Northern Illinois beat us last year so that must mean their on their way to being National Champions then right?

Frost will be the first to tell you how hard it is to win year in and year out. The run Nebraska had at one time was remarkable for sure. Can it be done again? Probably. Several teams are doing it, but unless you have been living under a rock there is a common thread between OSU, Alabama, Clemson, Georgia and others in that elite category. Bottom line is, enjoy the process because it is going to be one. Not only do you have to beat an "Auburn" you have to beat an Alabama, Georgia in the SEC and in the B1G there are a few "decent" teams like Ohio State, Penn State, Wisconsin, and Michigan to name a few. Shoot we can't even hold Iowa's jock strap right now. Frost will do it right, one step at a time and it will be a blast to watch but my goodness, the talk is amazing.

 

[Nebraska Fan]

Especially because if Martinez ends up starting by the end of the year, you have to figure Gebbia transfers. IF. I'm still putting my chips on Gebbia to start.
list.

Gebbia is a pretty good student and the type that could graduate in three years.

If it were me I would hang in there even if I were number two because most 2s get a shot at starting when numero uno is less then 100%.

He has a very good coach and should he graduate early he can offer another school a gifted athlete eligible for immediate playing time and two years eligibility.

 

[cornhustler]

That has to improve if they want to get out of the middle of the West Division

Nebraska out recruits its West opponents, every year.

Does anyone think realistically that any team can consistently be successful recruiting the "lessor" talent and depending on developing it? The evidence proves otherwise on the National Stage.

Nebraska consistently loses to developed "lessor" talent in the West division. Nebraska is not on the national stage. Win the West and go from there. Scott will get it done.

 

[RealTucoSalamanca]

It is a message board your are correct way to go.... Everyone can have an opinion and it is acceptable? That is why I stated mine funny how that works

nope you tried to shut everyone up with the typical "he hasn't coached a game here yet, lets wait and see how that turns out" statement that people want to use when they don't want to discuss anything that could potentially turn negative.

 

[RealTucoSalamanca]

Now why wouldn't you mention the 2016 season? Oh yeah, it doesn't really fit your narrative does it. You just pick and choose stats that fit your narrative and ignore everything that doesn't. That's not analytics, that's propaganda.

I didn't mention it because it didn't matter, but since you want to belabor the point.... I specifically stated that these were the classes that Frost recruited and coached. The fact that Oregon had great classes that lead to them playing for a national title after the 2013 and finished 9-4 in 2015 when all those talented players left, is flat out analytics. Unfortunately for you, they just don't tell the story you want them too.


2014 replaces 2010 so they were -6 in 4/5 stars
2015 replaces 2011 oops, -3 more 4/5 stars now you are -9
2016 replaces 2012 darn it. -2 more.

Holy **** they had 11 less 4/5 star players on the 2016 team than they did on the team that played Ohio St for a title. Get it??......yes Frost may have had something to do with it as well, but for heaven's sake they lost a ton of talent as well, and didn't replace the talent they lost with like talent, and the results showed.

Pull your head from the sand Mr Ostrich. The weather is great out here. The stats simply show that in order to play for and win a national title, you have to have 4/5 star talent. Not 2, 3 or even high 3 star talent.

If the goal is to be Wisconsin and finish 8-15, awesome, just let me know that way I know where to set my expectations. Just don't tell me the goal is to win national titles and we are going to do it with 2-high 3 star talent, because that isn't going to happen.

 

[Huskerecruit]

Well its settled... What we all seem to know to date is Frost definitely hasn't recruited great thus far in his first full class that he is way behind on building relationships that doesn't officially end until Feb 19' so therefore his recruiting blueprint is flawed and is settling taking 3* kids with 5* hearts within the 500 mile radius so he has definitely shown he will never be able to recruit with the big boys, top 10 classes, and therefore he will be fired at the end of his 5th year because he had only made it to 2 BIG championship games, 3 seasons of which he won at least 10 games, but did not win it all. It's all over folks... Who's up next?!?!?

 

[oldjar07]

Tend to agree to a point. I think the recruiting actually fell off after Kelly left, but you saw improvement from when Belloti was the coach to where Kelly was the coach.

Oregon recruiting rankings while Frost was on the staff.

Disclaimer: these rankings are not an indication of how Frost will recruit to Nebraska, or that he was totally responsible for the recruiting at Oregon. These rankings are strictly from Rivals.

Kelly HC

2009 - 32nd 4 4stars - 4 of 26 4/5 star
2010- 13th 1 5 star, 10 4 stars - 11 of 24 4/5 star
2011 - 9th 2 5 stars, 9 4 stars - 11 of 23 4/5 star
2012 - 16th, 10 4 stars - 10 of 21 4/5 star

Helfrich HC
2013 - 22nd 1 5 star, 7 4 stars - 8 of 19 4/5 star
2014 - 26th 5 4 stars 5/21 4/5 star
2015 - 17th 8 4 stars - 8 of 22 4/5 star
*2016 - 25th 5 4 stars - 4 of 20 4/5 star

*even though Frost left for UCF in Dec 2015 3/4 of the class was already committed.

Oregon played in the national title games following the 2010 season and the 2013 season. But if you look at the talent that would have been on the 2013 team (2010-2013 classes, there were 40 4/5 star players, out of 87 recruits. Maybe it was all Helfrich's issues, but from 2013 to 2016, the year Frost left to go to UCF, that pct had dwindled from 46% to 32%, and the record in 2015 was 9-4.

I know @SoFL Husker it's just more stats and analytics, but it is certainly weird how they accurately show how a team performed.

It was following the 2012 season that Oregon played for the national title, not 2013. That's a 38.3% blue chip ratio for 2012, not 46%. The 2010 season is also the year they played for the national title and their blue chip ratio was even lower at 34.7%. The 2015 season where they had a 9 win season the ratio was right in between those two at 37.3%. The 2016 season was only a few percentage points lower than the 2010 season at 30.5%, but that causes you to go from 12 wins to only a 4 win team? Again you cherry pick stats to fit your narrative, and a lot of times the information you use isn't even correct. As far as Oregon is concerned, the "blue chip ratio" had very little to do with the success of each individual season.

 

[oldjar07]

For crying out loud, I watched the Auburn game and several others as well. Are you going to base EVERYTHING off of that one game? Appalachian State beat Michigan one year as well so what does that mean? It means they beat them one time which doesn't transfer to long term winning. Yes, UCF beat Auburn, Michigan also beat UCF the year before so what does that mean? Northern Illinois beat us last year so that must mean their on their way to being National Champions then right?

Frost will be the first to tell you how hard it is to win year in and year out. The run Nebraska had at one time was remarkable for sure. Can it be done again? Probably. Several teams are doing it, but unless you have been living under a rock there is a common thread between OSU, Alabama, Clemson, Georgia and others in that elite category. Bottom line is, enjoy the process because it is going to be one. Not only do you have to beat an "Auburn" you have to beat an Alabama, Georgia in the SEC and in the B1G there are a few "decent" teams like Ohio State, Penn State, Wisconsin, and Michigan to name a few. Shoot we can't even hold Iowa's jock strap right now. Frost will do it right, one step at a time and it will be a blast to watch but my goodness, the talk is amazing.

Memphis and USF were also legit top 25 teams and UCF beat them both, including Memphis twice. A couple other AAC teams were just outside the top 25. For a G5 Conference, the AAC was very strong last year. UCF didn't just run through a bunch of nobodies. They played some good teams and came out on top every time.

 

[TruHusker]

"Nebraska out recruits its West opponents, every year."

That is so misleading when people say that. Are you counting stars? How about star value of those who actually make it to campus? Does anyone go back and adjust a class that looks like #20 on paper on LOI signing day only to find it is closer to #30 when a few don't make it. Then there is a situation where you get loaded up on specific positions. Let's say you get 2 4 Star tight ends, generally only one can play so 1 4 start is wasted. There is no doubt that there has not been good development the past few years but to make a simple statement that we out recruit every team in the west is a flier.

To be clear - I am not bashing Frost and Co for their recruiting. I don't pretend to know what he is looking at on film. I watched a ton of HS film thinking some kid on the other team was going to kill us only to find he was a paper tiger so one never knows for sure. The narrative is that those teams who play for the NC have highly rated players and a lot of them - every stat you want to find indicates that. If your goal is to compete for the west title most years and beat Iowa, then that is fine but people can't rationalize lower rated classes and then turn around and expect NC caliber teams. As I said earlier, it has to start somewhere for Nebraska as the system is broken. I am going to make a wild guess and say that Clemson, OSU, Bama and Georgia will take their chances with 4-5 star recruits and build them up from there. I do believe Frost will get there but we are kidding ourselves to think getting the same athletes as he did at UCF will accomplish that in the B1G. I have been wrong before.

 

[NikkiSixx_rivals269993]

Well its settled... What we all seem to know to date is Frost definitely hasn't recruited great thus far in his first full class that he is way behind on building relationships that doesn't officially end until Feb 19' so therefore his recruiting blueprint is flawed and is settling taking 3* kids with 5* hearts within the 500 mile radius so he has definitely shown he will never be able to recruit with the big boys, top 10 classes, and therefore he will be fired at the end of his 5th year because he had only made it to 2 BIG championship games, 3 seasons of which he won at least 10 games, but did not win it all. It's all over folks... Who's up next?!?!?

I think you're being a little too dramatic, but would like you to consider that fans do have a say and point of view on all these things, and the fans have always had a hand on the steering wheel to some degree.

It is not too early for people to have their say about things, and that goes with the territory. When people voice concerns about recruiting or about scheme or whatever, it is not that people are against the coach, it is that they might not completely agree with one aspect of what they are seeing.

Nebraska fans have regularly attempted to steer the bus if they see it altering too much outside of the lane, and I think that is all you are seeing here. No one is going overboard on new coaching hires and all that nonsense..

 

[cornhustler]

That is so misleading

Not really, even with misses and poor position planning Nebraska still out recruits according to "star" power the likes of Iowa, Minnesota and Northwestern regularly. You can't have it both ways. If we need to recruit at the level of OSU to beat them, then we should be beating West teams who don't recruit at our level.

 

[RealTucoSalamanca]

Maybe I’m misunderstanding your point, and if so I apologize to start, but wouldn’t including the 2016 when they only won 4 games further help the point he wa21s trying to make...namely that a decrease in the number of blue chip (4 and 5 stars) leads to a decrease/gets you further away from a national championship.

At least how I read it was that Oregon recruited great under Chip Kelly to the point where almost 50% of their prospects were 4 or 5 stars by the 2013 national championship. After Kelly left for the NFL, however, the number of blue chip prospects dropped fairly substainally leading to 9 wind, and then 4 wins (and the firing of Helfrich). I didn’t read in any way that this was some kind of negative toward Frost, more that Chip Kelly had a certain draw to Oregon that Helfrich couldn’t duplicate. It also was proving the point that in order to truly compete for national titles, about 50% of your roster needs to be 4 and 5 star players (which was in a thread started by jlb)

It had nothing to do with Frost, except those were the years Frost was at Oregon, and the classes that he helped recruit. It was, indeed, discussion about the blueprint it will take to win a national title. It is sort of a follow up to jlb321's post about what type of recruiting it will take to play for national titles. I used Oregon as example. Thank you for seeing through the BS

 

[Skerz4Life50]

It had nothing to do with Frost, except those were the years Frost was at Oregon, and the classes that he helped recruit. It was, indeed, discussion about the blueprint it will take to win a national title. It is sort of a follow up to jlb321's post about what type of recruiting it will take to play for national titles. I used Oregon as example. Thank you for seeing through the BS

It seems that many on here take any discussion about recruiting as some sort of negative toward Frost, when in reality it is more about what he needs to accomplish to get us back to where we all want to be. It isn’t something I’m sure he doesn’t already know.

It is fine now if he is recruiting 3 and 4 stars (with some 2’s), but that just means the road to national titles is going to be longer. Like I know you have stressed, we can do what Wisconsin is doing and win lots of games, but that doesn’t mean national titles or even B1G titles (similar to Bo).

I thought TruHusker made some good points too about how our classes may be ranked yearly higher than the rest of the West, but to actually see how good the classes are, one needs to look at attrition from those classes (not just NU but all), transfers into those classes, and whether or not actual team needs are being filled.

As for the Oregon classes you pointed out, one interesting takeaway (imo) was that Oregon only had 1 top 10 class from the ones you listed, but were still able to reach almost 50% blue chip ratio. That should seem to give us a little more hope that pulling in top 15 classes yearly may be enough to get us to the top rather quickly. I also thought it was interesting the amount of 2 stars or less Oregon took during those recruiting classes (17 total) for about 10% of their total recruits. I never looked any further to see if any of them were significant contributors, but they recruited about half of them under Kelly and half under Helfrich.

 

[RealTucoSalamanca]

It was following the 2012 season that Oregon played for the national title, not 2013. That's a 38.3% blue chip ratio for 2012, not 46%. The 2010 season is also the year they played for the national title and their blue chip ratio was even lower at 34.7%. The 2015 season where they had a 9 win season the ratio was right in between those two at 37.3%. The 2016 season was only a few percentage points lower than the 2010 season at 30.5%, but that causes you to go from 12 wins to only a 4 win team? Again you cherry pick stats to fit your narrative, and a lot of times the information you use isn't even correct. As far as Oregon is concerned, the "blue chip ratio" had very little to do with the success of each individual season.

Wrong. I misread the bowl dates it was following the 2014 season, Frost's second as OC. I adjusted my numbers in my original post and it reduced 3%, but still around 43% of the scholarship players on that team were 4/5 star players.

So for Oregon, the "blue chip ratio" still very relevant. I find it funny that you challenged my information with INCORRECT information. An even called me out for doing it on purpose. That's funny.

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[inWV]

So is Frost a) turning down higher ranked kids for 3*s, b) not throwing his hat in the ring and cultivating higher ranked kids or c) in on the kids who show interest and trying to get the best kids who rank high on their evaluation lists?
Here are how the numbers look for kids who are 5.7 (highest 3*) or above for the 2018 class plus 2019 commits, per Rivals: NU - 23/39 (59%), Wisconsin - 14/32 (44%), MSU - 14/37 (38%), tOSU - 37/40 (93%). Wisconsin will make a run at the CFP this Fall. MSU made the playoff in 2015. MSU's four recruiting class before that year featured 49% of kids who were 5.7 or higher.
What does this mean for NU. As I see it, to really compete for a national title, NU will have to up its recruiting profile. If Frost's approach to running a program in Lincoln bears fruit, I suspect NU's list of interested prospects will lengthen. NU has the talent to better compete in the B1G right now.

 

[artguy68]

Stupid post.

No trade war. EU caved like Trump said they would.

Are you asleep or just sadly misinformed?

 

[19Football19]

Memphis and USF were also legit top 25 teams and UCF beat them both, including Memphis twice. A couple other AAC teams were just outside the top 25. For a G5 Conference, the AAC was very strong last year. UCF didn't just run through a bunch of nobodies. They played some good teams and came out on top every time.

How many starters on that team did SF actually recruit? You won’t like the answer. He took over a team that had more players drafted than Neb. Not that that’s saying much, but you get the point. Get over your Aub win. Do you think these kids give 2 poops about bowl games unless your in the playoffs? It’s like when we beat Georgia. People actually thought we were back because it was our super bowl and a coaches job. Georgia kids were laughing not giving 2 poops. Aub was UCF super bowl. SF will hopefully turn Neb into a top 20 team again, but it’ll be hit and miss.

 

[RealTucoSalamanca]

So is Frost a) turning down higher ranked kids for 3*s, b) not throwing his hat in the ring and cultivating higher ranked kids or c) in on the kids who show interest and trying to get the best kids who rank high on their evaluation lists?
Here are how the numbers look for kids who are 5.7 (highest 3*) or above for the 2018 class plus 2019 commits, per Rivals: NU - 23/39 (59%), Wisconsin - 14/32 (44%), MSU - 14/37 (38%), tOSU - 37/40 (93%). Wisconsin will make a run at the CFP this Fall. MSU made the playoff in 2015. MSU's four recruiting class before that year featured 49% of kids who were 5.7 or higher.
What does this mean for NU. As I see it, to really compete for a national title, NU will have to up its recruiting profile. If Frost's approach to running a program in Lincoln bears fruit, I suspect NU's list of interested prospects will lengthen. NU has the talent to better compete in the B1G right now.

Good questions in your first paragraph. I would say it is a combination of all 3. I would bet that there are some high ranked kids that may have some baggage that he doesn't want coming in and upsetting the growth in culture. Which would count for a and b. I could also see kids not yet interested in joining up. Sort of a wait and see approach. As far as c - I see Frost as a guy who isn't going to beg the first guy on his list if the 5th guy is ready to commit.

 

[inWV]

How many starters on that team did SF actually recruit? You won’t like the answer. He took over a team that had more players drafted than Neb. Not that that’s saying much, but you get the point. Get over your Aub win. Do you think these kids give 2 poops about bowl games unless your in the playoffs? It’s like when we beat Georgia. People actually thought we were back because it was our super bowl and a coaches job. Georgia kids were laughing not giving 2 poops. Aub was UCF super bowl. SF will hopefully turn Neb into a top 20 team again, but it’ll be hit and miss.

Pasting Cornicator's post from another thread
That's not accurate at all:

QB - McKenzie Milton - Frost Recruit - More than 4700 total yards and 45 TDs
RB - Otis Anderson - Frost Recruit- 10 TDS, more than 1000 yards from scrimmage
RB - Adrian Killins - Frost Recruit- Leading rusher 11- touchdowns- More than 1,000 AP yards.
WR - Dredrik Snelson - Frost Recruit- 700 yards receiving and 8 TDs- 2nd leading receiver
WR- Marlon Williams - Frost Recruit- #4 receiver 300 yards and 2 TDs
WR- Gabriel Davis - Frost Recruit- # 3 Receiver - 400 yards and 5 TDs


When he arrived he inherited WR Tre'QUan Smith, an absolute stud. But Smith would've been largely irrelevant without these guys bought in around him.

Frost also inherited TE Jordan Akins. He was a tough matchup, but Akins was a WR before Frost arrived. They moved him to Tight End and it changed his football career. Akins was a former Minor League Baseball player, and had been a QB in high school.

So what else did he do?

LT- Samuel Johnson - Frost Recruit started vs. Auburn in the Peach Bowl as a True Frosh. - Played in all 13 games
C- Jordan Johnson - Frost Recruit - 1st Team All-Conference- Frost's first ever recruit at UCF. He started 25 of the 26 games coached by Frost. - The kid is better than any Starting Center at Nebraska over the last half decade... which is sad.

1st Round Pick CB Mike Hughes - Frost JUCO Recruit in 2017 Class- PLayed one season and off to the NFL
All American and now Seattle Seahawk - Shaquiem Griffin- when Frost arrived, Griffin had played in 11 total games in 2 seasons, as a back up Safety. In year one under Frost, Griffin was the American COnference Defensive Player of the Year. In his second year, he was an All-American.



Frost did benefit from inheriting the UCF Defensive line and most of their linebackers/ safeties. But Central Florida in 2017 was a juggernaut because of that offense. And that offense would've been nothing without Frost's additions in 2016 and 2017.

 

[inWV]

Good questions in your first paragraph. I would say it is a combination of all 3. I would bet that there are some high ranked kids that may have some baggage that he doesn't want coming in and upsetting the growth in culture. Which would count for a and b. I could also see kids not yet interested in joining up. Sort of a wait and see approach. As far as c - I see Frost as a guy who isn't going to beg the first guy on his list if the 5th guy is ready to commit.

All fair points. Frost closed the 2018 class out quite nicely. But in a sense, he struck while the iron was hot. Lots of immediate cred after that 12-0 season. The CV has been that the second class is the "regime change" class. But for the 2019 class, NU seems to be on a trajectory for top 25, not top 20 or top 15. The 2018 schedule is brutal and the CV is that if NU is above par and makes a bowl game, that will be acceptable. I don't think Frost sees it that way. He may soft pedal the issue in interviews, but I think he wants to win now.
So there are a lot of balls in the air. Changing the culture, fitting the new kids into the program after a substantial run at a roster turnover, and getting the kids ready to play a brutal schedule. So yes, if Frost et al. sees kid who they think can play at a high level in their offense and defense, they take him and move on, rather than waiting for a kid to choose a hat or jersey on signing day. And that may be especially true this year.
If the coaches and players do their work and the team overperforms this year, some of the high flyers get more interested than just a weekend visit to Lincoln. When Frost's offense does click, the crowd in Memorial Stadium will be off the hook.

 

[oldjar07]

How many starters on that team did SF actually recruit? You won’t like the answer. He took over a team that had more players drafted than Neb. Not that that’s saying much, but you get the point. Get over your Aub win. Do you think these kids give 2 poops about bowl games unless your in the playoffs? It’s like when we beat Georgia. People actually thought we were back because it was our super bowl and a coaches job. Georgia kids were laughing not giving 2 poops. Aub was UCF super bowl. SF will hopefully turn Neb into a top 20 team again, but it’ll be hit and miss.

For only being there for 2 years, quite a few of UCF's starters were Frost recruits. I think even a couple of his recruits were the ones that got drafted. We already went over this.

 

[jflores]

Frost basically had another quote in the paper today about the so called "ace recruiters" to the effect of most of those guys are aces probably because they aren't following the rules. He then goes on to say that if you are a good coach you can probably be a pretty good recruiter.

Suffice it to say, he'd probably take Bama levels of dominance on the recruiting trail but his program strategy is not built around that.

 

[phoenix4nu]

Frost basically had another quote in the paper today about the so called "ace recruiters" to the effect of most of those guys are aces probably because they aren't following the rules. He then goes on to say that if you are a good coach you can probably be a pretty good recruiter.

Suffice it to say, he'd probably take Bama levels of dominance on the recruiting trail but his program strategy is not built around that.

Time will tell if his philosophy will work. But I would think that an ace recruiter would be a good thing. .

 

[SoFL Husker]

It’s a freaking message board and discussion forum. Things get discussed. Sometimes people speculate and look to the future. People are already counting wins in 2019 and potential starting line ups for 2019. I am pretty sure discussing the status of the current recruiting class is acceptable.

Tuco, look at what Scott has done with this hodgepodge of returners, a scrambled together first year recruiting class, transfers, walk-ons, etc...

Give me your analysis after the year, and focus on "improvement."

Then, take that analysis and apply it to full-year recruiting cycles and potential down the road.

Should be an interesting discussion...

 

[RealTucoSalamanca]

Tuco, look at what Scott has done with this hodgepodge of returners, a scrambled together first year recruiting class, transfers, walk-ons, etc...

Give me your analysis after the year, and focus on "improvement."

Then, take that analysis and apply it to full-year recruiting cycles and potential down the road.

Should be an interesting discussion...

So now we have to wait a year to discuss things? Ha ha ha ok

 

[SoFL Husker]

To all the Tuco haters...

At least the guy does his homework. He's part of the hardworking culture of Nebraska.

That's the only chance we've got, and I think that finalizes my view on this topic.

By the way Tuco, how about those UCF class rankings!!! Oh boy!!!

That team was Top 4 in the country last year and their classes were not Top 40, ever.

GBR

 

[RealTucoSalamanca]

To all the Tuco haters...

At least the guy does his homework. He's part of the hardworking culture of Nebraska.

That's the only chance we've got, and I think that finalizes my view on this topic.

By the way Tuco, how about those UCF class rankings!!! Oh boy!!!

That team was Top 4 in the country last year and their classes were not Top 40, ever.

GBR

And they didn’t play for a title either.