Though this was a good read and I agree 100%.
https://www.cornnation.com/2018/4/2...ose-of-rehashing-the-perlman-osborne-conflict
https://www.cornnation.com/2018/4/2...ose-of-rehashing-the-perlman-osborne-conflict
Rehashing the Past....again
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You probably won't get much response. The fan's ego is also pretty fragile right now.
There is also a portion of the fan base that is preparing themselves for 5-7 wins this year, who are also managing expectations. They want Frost to be the answer, as do I and everyone else, so if they set the bar low, they can still have hope for next year and the years that follow. If they set the bar at 8 or better, and Nebraska doesn't reach that level in year one, then they would have to have someone to blame. So they set the bar low, blame the Big Ten and the schedule and hope that Frost exceeds their lowered expectations.
Wow. That read like a drunk rambling on at a bar incoherently with no point other than just trying to stir the pot (and doing a poor job at that). 90% of the posts on here are more incitful than that nonsense.
I am perfectly happy with 9 and 10 win teams when those wins include top 10 opponents, division/conf/bowl title wins and are not made up of entirely lower level programs. I would also prefer the 4 accompanying losses to not be blow outs in division/conf/bowl title games.
If that makes me a "grass is always greener" fan, then so be it. I don't apologize for it. I put my time, effort, and even money into supporting this program. I expect maximum effort and results. The same as I give in my job and I expect from others. I am not ok with half-***.
Firing those guys and hiring worse coaches and staffs doesn't make me wrong, it just means that good leadership is missing. For the record, hiring Moos and Frost are the best decisions I think NU has made since T.O. retired.
If that makes me a "grass is always greener" fan, then so be it. I don't apologize for it. I put my time, effort, and even money into supporting this program. I expect maximum effort and results. The same as I give in my job and I expect from others. I am not ok with half-***.
Firing those guys and hiring worse coaches and staffs doesn't make me wrong, it just means that good leadership is missing. For the record, hiring Moos and Frost are the best decisions I think NU has made since T.O. retired.
This is a badly written blog post by someone who desperately wants to be taken seriously as a writer and a thought influencer in our fan base. My lord. You shouldn't expect much from people who write for SB Nation or (since I've seen outside the Nebraska bubble and see how dumb we look sometimes) any Husker fan with a blog, but holy hell Salt Creek and Stadium. What is this sentence?
For questioning whether Tom Osborne’s choices to lead the program?
Questioning whether they what? Were the right choice? Wore enough red? Talked about how well the guys "moved around" enough? Kept their khaki's dry?
You don't want the past rehashed because you were probably one of the people who were such arrogant jerks when you got your way with the firings of Solich and Pelini, only to see your chosen ones fail miserably. You're bitter about that, and that is exceptionally weird.
What's even more weird is how much you take exception to someone talking about the fans and not saying "THEY'RE THE GREATEST AND THE BESTEST EVER AND THE SMARTEST AND THE PRETTIEST". He didn't bash the fan base. He pointed out an obvious fact, that the last 20 years have changed how we perceive the program. We have different expectations now.
Then, you go from whining that he is talking about the past administration, to saying that if he's going to blame anyone, it should be the past administration? Please tell me you're not paid to write.
This is the same garbage that a few posters on here are trying to get away with. It's a reason I basically didn't post from 2011 on. More people are concerned about their methods being right than they are figuring out how to get the team back on course and enjoying what should be one of the few unifying things in our state (besides, of course, the Kearney Arch). The same posters who spent the last three years calling people "BoBots" and talking about "that psycho" and diagnosing quarterbacks with Aspberger's suddenly want to move on? Because what? It'll make them appear to have been wrong, too, if we don't?
Frost is only saying these things not to manage expectations and make things easier for him, but to illustrate that the narrative that you just can't win here nowadays is pure and utter bunk. There is a way to do things here, and that hasn't been done for 20 years. He is going to get back to that and it'll work. That's what he wants you to take away. No more. No less.
For questioning whether Tom Osborne’s choices to lead the program?
Questioning whether they what? Were the right choice? Wore enough red? Talked about how well the guys "moved around" enough? Kept their khaki's dry?
You don't want the past rehashed because you were probably one of the people who were such arrogant jerks when you got your way with the firings of Solich and Pelini, only to see your chosen ones fail miserably. You're bitter about that, and that is exceptionally weird.
What's even more weird is how much you take exception to someone talking about the fans and not saying "THEY'RE THE GREATEST AND THE BESTEST EVER AND THE SMARTEST AND THE PRETTIEST". He didn't bash the fan base. He pointed out an obvious fact, that the last 20 years have changed how we perceive the program. We have different expectations now.
Then, you go from whining that he is talking about the past administration, to saying that if he's going to blame anyone, it should be the past administration? Please tell me you're not paid to write.
This is the same garbage that a few posters on here are trying to get away with. It's a reason I basically didn't post from 2011 on. More people are concerned about their methods being right than they are figuring out how to get the team back on course and enjoying what should be one of the few unifying things in our state (besides, of course, the Kearney Arch). The same posters who spent the last three years calling people "BoBots" and talking about "that psycho" and diagnosing quarterbacks with Aspberger's suddenly want to move on? Because what? It'll make them appear to have been wrong, too, if we don't?
Frost is only saying these things not to manage expectations and make things easier for him, but to illustrate that the narrative that you just can't win here nowadays is pure and utter bunk. There is a way to do things here, and that hasn't been done for 20 years. He is going to get back to that and it'll work. That's what he wants you to take away. No more. No less.
Nebraska was correct to move away from Solich and Pelini. It was the choices after the fact that weren't the correct ones
I largely agree with the blog post. My only point of disagreement is I think maybe it's a little too critical of Frost. I have to admit I don't like the clear delineation Frost seems to be making about the last 4 coaches which basically amounts to "Solich and Pelini good, Callahan and Riley bad.". Of course it's not wrong at all to say that Callahan and Riley were failures, but I wish he wouldn't just paper over the failures of Solich and Pelini and suggest that it was just the fans expecting too much. Then again, none of that is a surprise because we all knew even before he was hired which "side" he was on with all of that. I guess maybe I'm willing to cut him a little more slack right now, even if I don't agree with what he says. I'm willing to swallow some of that now as long as he gets the program back to where it should be, which I think he will.
One of the best columns I read about Frost's hiring talked about how one of the greatest things about it was it was something every Husker fan could agree on and get behind. We could finally put behind all of the discussion and division over past coaches. It didn't matter whether you were a Solichista or not, whether you were a Boliever or a Bo-leaver-none of it mattered anymore. Nobody expects people to stop talking about past coaches, but at least it should take away a lot of the anger and division among the fanbase over it. While I think that has been true to some extent, I don't think his hire has been quite as unifying as it could be because some people just don't want to forget about past divisions. I wish Frost would set the example better. But again, I'm willing to cut him slack for now and hope that he talks more about the future and not the past.
One of the best columns I read about Frost's hiring talked about how one of the greatest things about it was it was something every Husker fan could agree on and get behind. We could finally put behind all of the discussion and division over past coaches. It didn't matter whether you were a Solichista or not, whether you were a Boliever or a Bo-leaver-none of it mattered anymore. Nobody expects people to stop talking about past coaches, but at least it should take away a lot of the anger and division among the fanbase over it. While I think that has been true to some extent, I don't think his hire has been quite as unifying as it could be because some people just don't want to forget about past divisions. I wish Frost would set the example better. But again, I'm willing to cut him slack for now and hope that he talks more about the future and not the past.
Oz didn't make the hire (he helped).
On Osborne hire on Solich. Solich's 58 wins during his first 6 seasons as Nebraska's Head Coach exceeded that of his two predecessors Bob Devaney (53 wins) and Tom Osborne (55 wins ).
Do you really think this is going to change anyone's mind? Don't get me wrong. You're absolutely right. No one who thinks Solich was a failure is going to have their mind swayed by this now.
Not for what Pedeson had in mind with Hiring Dave Wannstedt.... Now if he would have hired say someone like Gary Patterson YES.
I didn't read the article but I don't think Frost is trying to promote some narrative. He get's asked a question... he answers it. Things might change but for now he doesn't seem to much care about all of our parsing of his intention or looking for hidden meanings/agenda. He's busy. I'm kinda dreading the first loss when people are ready to descend into panic, what will his reaction be? If this first season is rough he could get pissy with "Nebraska fan" pretty fast.
So you're mad at the eventual result and the intended hire not the fact that a 9 win coach or, as you wrote a coach who had a better first 6 years than Devaney or Osborne, was fired.
Man! You guys are gonna really enjoy 2005 when you get to it. I will warn you though...don't get too excited about 2009 because your heart is gonna freaking' BREAK in December, and don't tie up all your financials in the housing market. Just...trust me on this.
And trust me when I say don't count on the Clinton's or Bush's to be in the White House in 2018...it will be an outsider that will shock you. Also save all of your money to put into the stock market at the start of 2017.
And don't fret about the worst hire in college football since the end result ends up in us getting the brightest football mind for the next generation of head coaches.
Just trust us on this....
Frost is free to state his opinions. From what I gather, in his opinion things have not been done the right way for some time. Clearly he has a negative opinion of the prior regime in athletic admin. The offensive and defensive systems Frost has brought to Lincoln will be more fun for the kids and I am sure most are psyched about the change.
Championship teams are built in the weeks and months when no formal practices are held. Kids will be expected to improve themselves over the summer and come back with some training in the bank. Duval is easily a cut above any assistant of the prior staff in terms of importance to the team. The early morning practices will lessen the amount of evening shenanigans, at least during the week.
There is sufficient talent on this roster to win 8 games and challenge in one or two of the other games. There are 7-8 Olinemen and about 10 Dlinemen and LBs that will really determine how well this team competes. Does our Oline do enough to let the skills guys get loose and make plays? Can the front 7 take some pressure off of the Dbacks? Do the new offensive and defensive systems allow the kids to better compete than last year. I think the answer is yes.
Championship teams are built in the weeks and months when no formal practices are held. Kids will be expected to improve themselves over the summer and come back with some training in the bank. Duval is easily a cut above any assistant of the prior staff in terms of importance to the team. The early morning practices will lessen the amount of evening shenanigans, at least during the week.
There is sufficient talent on this roster to win 8 games and challenge in one or two of the other games. There are 7-8 Olinemen and about 10 Dlinemen and LBs that will really determine how well this team competes. Does our Oline do enough to let the skills guys get loose and make plays? Can the front 7 take some pressure off of the Dbacks? Do the new offensive and defensive systems allow the kids to better compete than last year. I think the answer is yes.
Right! Because it’s the same thing as dragging out a 15 year old argument that has not featured one changed opinion in at least 10! Man! You are on FIRE today! OH! Yeah. Forgot to mention...don’t get TOO used to Texas beating us a lot. That stops happening. Not in the way you’ll want but...it stops.
Solich also lost 6 more times than Osborne did and 9 more times than Devaney did in his first six years! Solich coached 77 games. Osborne 70 and Devaney 63. Of course that changes the equation so we would not want to include that. So more wins in his first six years by itself is far from the whole story!
OK, go by winning percentage. He had the 3rd best winning pct in Nebraska football history coaching at least 6 years or more...
Only "Bummy" Booth had a better winning pct in Nebraska football history but he only coached 5 years.
Look at this ridiculous argument, and I think you'll figure it out.
"Solich waited too long to make changes. Callahan could never figure out college football. Pelini couldn’t control his emotions and his teams reflected that. And Mike Riley allowed too many compromises and too many cooks in the kitchen." - good summary
Solich did many things right - but his last 2 seasons were not good and there was valid concern the coaching changes he made prior to his final season were not enough. Especially after getting killed by KSucks and Pelini loosing his mind on Snyder for running up the score......let's just say there was ample evidence from 2 full seasons Solich couldn't fix it. What did he do afterward?? A MAC head coach is about the right level for Frank. Period - end of story.
Solich did many things right - but his last 2 seasons were not good and there was valid concern the coaching changes he made prior to his final season were not enough. Especially after getting killed by KSucks and Pelini loosing his mind on Snyder for running up the score......let's just say there was ample evidence from 2 full seasons Solich couldn't fix it. What did he do afterward?? A MAC head coach is about the right level for Frank. Period - end of story.
Personally I think he was referring primarily to Solich's dismissal and that is a very debatable topic. Even Tom admitted that Pelini was a mistake.
The problem with Frank's "changes" is that he didn't change some of the recurring problems with his staff and by hiring Bo and Carl made some things worse. Yes we had a better defensive performance that year but some of the thing SP was most upset about were off the field staff issues and our poor recruiting. Bo and Carl did nothing to help those problems.
Naw. If you somehow get your jollies by rehashing an argument from more than a decade ago that no one is going to win, that’s sad for you, not for me.
I never liked Perlman and he screwed a lot of stuff up. How do idiots like that get those kinds of jobs in the first place?
Bo was mostly fine when under Tom's eye. They had his back, and ran interference for him.
Then you got #$%^head #2 Eichorst, hired by #$%^head #1 Perlman.
All it takes is a couple of #$%^heads to ruin a program.
This is why Matt Davison is the AD in waiting whenever Moos decides he's done.
Bo was mostly fine when under Tom's eye. They had his back, and ran interference for him.
Then you got #$%^head #2 Eichorst, hired by #$%^head #1 Perlman.
All it takes is a couple of #$%^heads to ruin a program.
This is why Matt Davison is the AD in waiting whenever Moos decides he's done.
I don’t like the tone of his post....Frost has been here for only about 4 1/2 months and he’s talked just as much about how he’s training and (re)developing his players than pointing his finger at the last 20 years. Moreover, I’ve never sensed he’s whining or complaining about what he’s been given to deal with. Rather, he’s credibly made comparisons between NU and UCF, and even said we’re ahead of schedule compared to what Frost inherited at UCF. If that’s managing fans’ expectations, count me as managed.
So I don’t get the anger in the piece, nor the reaction to a Frost quote taken completely out of context.
BUT, he makes a couple of very good points. The most compelling to me was asking the very legitimate question about what we’ll specifically need to do in order to compete with the likes of turdman-Urban or cranky-Nick. Would love to hear coaches views on this, after they’ve gotten their feet a little wetter.
So I don’t get the anger in the piece, nor the reaction to a Frost quote taken completely out of context.
BUT, he makes a couple of very good points. The most compelling to me was asking the very legitimate question about what we’ll specifically need to do in order to compete with the likes of turdman-Urban or cranky-Nick. Would love to hear coaches views on this, after they’ve gotten their feet a little wetter.