Exactly, if hes from Wahoo, or Nebraska for that matter, he CANT be good. Heck even rivals says so.
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Yeah come on people, how could the highly-rated QB recruit not beat out the lower-ranked QB?
Sincerely - Harrison Beck, Cody Green, Brion Carnes, Zac Lee, Patrick Witt, Jamal Turner, Johnny Stanton, and Curt Dukes.
You guys do know that Frost just completed an undefeated season with a QB whose only other college offer was Navy, right? Vedral had more D-I offers than McKenzie Milton.
Frost will play the QB who can run the offense best. I hope that is Gebbia, but amount of offers out of high school doesn't mean it will be. How many schools that offered Gebbia run a read-option offense?
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Yeah, there is absolutely no doubt you know what you are talking about when telling coaches who to play and who should, on paper, be a star. In fact, you should call Bill Belichek and remind him that Tom Brady wasn't the best QB when he was at Michigan and, therefore should have been benched in all those super bowls and those mvp trophies were just absolute flukes because YOU said it was just impossible that should happen.
I bet he is sitting by the phone just waiting for your call. Be kind and call him right away. You wouldn't want him to have to wait any longer for your wonderful insights.
Ole Miss, Louisville, Utah, and Syracuse all run a variation of a Spread centered around the Zone Read.
However, I will argue Frost's offense is at its most potent when the QB can make people miss. The QB needs to also have some explosiveness in his first step. This scheme often exposes the defense because they have to account for the skill talent both laterally and vertically on every play. This is compounded when the QB has the quickness to burst through open gaps for 8 to 12 yards on any play. Once the QB exhibits an ability to pick up yards with his legs, the deception aspect of the scheme really begins to stress the defense.
The tempo and the constant motion begins to really hurt the defense when the linebackers are always worrying if the QB has the ball. On any given play, Frost wants as many as 4 potential ball carriers. We will constantly see the slot guys motion into the backfield, or the running backs motion out into the slot. This also makes the passing game ultra efficient because it forces a lot of one on one matchups on the edge.
I bring all this up for one reason only.
The best runner, who can also muster the forward pass, will get the job.
Take it easy guys, there's obviously a chance that Vedral could beat out two superstar recruits and he definitely looked good in mop-up duty last year, but as of now he's not Tom Brady and Gebbia/Martinez aren't Curt Dukes. Why anyone would throw in those comparisons, I have no idea.
Here is some general info that we know about each of them:
Vedral - Sophomore - 5.3 2-star recruit w/ no P5 offers, knows the playbook inside and out, great teammate helping the others get up to speed, looked very sharp in mop-up duty last year at UCF
Martinez - Freshman - 5.9 4-star recruit, excelled in a similar style offense in high school, missed all last season with an injury, seen as the perfect fit for the offense in the future
Gebbia - RS Freshman - 5.9 4-star recruit, 2nd ranked passer in California high school history, came in as a pro-style QB but known for his insane work ethic, impressed quite a bit in last year's spring game with sharp quick passes and some surprising runs
Honestly there isn't much to go off of with any of them yet. I agree we shouldn't discount Vedral's experience but I also don't think we can discount the fact that Martinez and Gebbia were seen as players with MUCH higher ceilings coming out of high school. It seems like Vedral has outplayed his 2-star billing so far, but Martinez and Gebbia certainly haven't done anything to sink below their 4-star expectations. I just don't know how anybody can project Vedral to overtake them at this early of a point in all of their careers.
The good news is I think we all feel comfortable with this staff's decision-making and the battle is going to be really fun to watch.
Vedral - Sophomore - 5.3 2-star recruit w/ no P5 offers, knows the playbook inside and out, great teammate helping the others get up to speed, looked very sharp in mop-up duty last year at UCF
Martinez - Freshman - 5.9 4-star recruit, excelled in a similar style offense in high school, missed all last season with an injury, seen as the perfect fit for the offense in the future
Gebbia - RS Freshman - 5.9 4-star recruit, 2nd ranked passer in California high school history, came in as a pro-style QB but known for his insane work ethic, impressed quite a bit in last year's spring game with sharp quick passes and some surprising runs
Honestly there isn't much to go off of with any of them yet. I agree we shouldn't discount Vedral's experience but I also don't think we can discount the fact that Martinez and Gebbia were seen as players with MUCH higher ceilings coming out of high school. It seems like Vedral has outplayed his 2-star billing so far, but Martinez and Gebbia certainly haven't done anything to sink below their 4-star expectations. I just don't know how anybody can project Vedral to overtake them at this early of a point in all of their careers.
The good news is I think we all feel comfortable with this staff's decision-making and the battle is going to be really fun to watch.
Why didn't we see UCF in the playoff? There is a reason for that... you're not making a straight comparison apples to apples.
I like a good story just like everyone else, but those things are the exception to the rule. Noah was a backup at UCF, and while it would be a great story and all to see him win the starting job at Nebraska.. That is still a pretty big jump from being a backup at what almost is a div II school to starter at Nebraska.
I don't mean to be a dream killer.. just saying the odds are much more remote.
Wasn’t Vedral All-State QB, Point Guard, and state champion hurdler? I know he’s from Wahoo but it’s not exactly like he’s Beau Davis.
Where did I say I was telling coaches anything? Where did I say it was impossible?
You're just making stuff up now.. seems you like to live in a fantasy world.
Great question! Haha to be honest I don't know much of anything about the guy, but I love that he's getting his shot and making the most of it right now. It'll be a pretty awesome story if he keeps rising up the depth chart!
From what I am hearing, Gebbia, Bunch, Martinez in that order.
Vedral would make things interesting, but unless they change the rules, I don't see how or why the NCAA would approve his waiver.
I think Gebbia is the starter going into the fall and to start the season. Games against Troy and Akron will provide him some good OJT heading into Colorado and Michigan. If Nebraska comes out of those 4 games, 4-0 or 3-1, I think he holds on to the job unless there is an injury.
Vedral would make things interesting, but unless they change the rules, I don't see how or why the NCAA would approve his waiver.
I think Gebbia is the starter going into the fall and to start the season. Games against Troy and Akron will provide him some good OJT heading into Colorado and Michigan. If Nebraska comes out of those 4 games, 4-0 or 3-1, I think he holds on to the job unless there is an injury.
I think Bunch stepping up to number 2 is great. That gives Martinez a year to heal and learn under a redshirt. Pulled in emergency only. Next year throw Vedral in the mix and let the best man win in an open competition. Gebbia will have a year of starts and another year of weight gain under his belt.
Fantasy is saying UCF is almost Div II
UCF is almost a Division-II school? Might want to tell that to Auburn.
I actually do hope Gebbia earns the starting spot, because I don't want to see another talented QB transfer. But until I see proof that he can run this offense at a high level, I'm not going to anoint him just because he had more recruiting stars. It comes down to who can run the offense the best.
its the possible changes to transfer rules that give him hope
one is change of coach
the other is eliminating the year you sit out
both are being voted on by the rules committee
Would the rule changes be effective this year if passed? I saw an article that indicated they would not become effective until 2019.
No clue who will or would start but competition should only make these kids push harder and be better
I think turnovers will play a larger part than if one QB can run for 8 yards vs another QB who could take the same play and get 20.
Yeah, you are right, I'M MAKING STUFF UP. With your exclusive crystal ball, YOU are just stating the truthful FACTS that you absolutely KNOW to be true in your previous post. Noting that you can't seem to read between the lines, does your crystal ball, also, tell you that I am mocking the crap out of your previous post?
That would be a good guess.
Look, that was a nice bowl win for sure, but their schedule didn't get any love. I called them almost a DII school because I wasn't exactly sure if FBS or FCS or what they were. They were a DII school in the 80's.
So, now you're an expert in pharmacology and clinical sciences, huh. How do you find the time to be a football//quarterback expert?
And Florida State was a teachers college in the past and was crap in football in the 60's and early 70's, so what do the 80's prove--NU was consistently in the top 5-10 in the 80's. Times change in 30-35 years, don't they.
I'll be happy to have a conversation about it, but if you're not going to make any sense, then not much I can really do.
Well, since there's zero proof that the guy who runs for 20 yards is going to fumble more than the guy who runs for 8 yards (or less).....I see it as simply a huge asset to run for 20 yards or more.
Vedral would like to be a successful coach when his playing days are over hence he went with Frost out of high school and followed him to Nebraska.
Wow....I couldn't possibly agree more. Even though the endless fluff-ball fans discount everything except throwing the ball around (and losing....and losing) it's good for both of us than HCSF fully understands how important being successful running the ball is. A qb that can fly is great, great asset.
Yep, but to follow Scott and really never play would be a shame IMO. He was number 2 at UCF. He was going to get playing time,again,IMO. His 2017 Spring game playing time had everyone cheering, especially since MM had struggled at the end of his Freshman year due to massive O line injuries. Poor guy was running for his life.
He does not necessarily have to be tabbed as the starter right away... as long as he keeps his head down and keeps grinding and competing.
Look at Joe Ganz... he was behind a younger Harrison Beck in 2005 and he could have given up or transferred before his redshirt freshman year... but he ENDURED and ended up starting his Senior year.
Look at Ron Kellogg III... he was behind Martinez, Cody Green, ect. He stuck with everything and got a lot of playing time as a senior and ended up completing the only game winning Hail Mary in school history.
Ryker Fyfe was stuck behind Armstrong his whole career, who was in his same grade. Fyfe ended up starting against Maryland on senior day and played great. I bet that is quite the memory for him.
We are going to need as many solid QBs as we can get... and there is a lot to be said about fighting and competing his whole career as things sometime have a funny way of working out.
Good points. SF is very reluctant to change QB's. I watched every game for two years, saw almost every one in person.
Anyone ahead of Noah will need to be nearly dead, or throw 6 straight INT's,to be subbed out. SF counts on one guy, ONE. You'll see. Not saying it is bad, it is just his way.
Fyfe and Kellogg were career walkons and emergency QBs at best. I think Vedral is a legit scholarship QB. Frost isn’t going to give away token scholarships and wouldn’t have brought here if he wasn’t worthy of one.
Ganz is a great example of how good decision making can make up for average arm talent. Very underrated skill and almost impossible to evaluate in high school prospects.
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Do people honestly believe that the QB SF names as the starter will be on a short leash? Seriously? The ex-QB that was booed in Memorial stadium while people chanted "Frankie London" from the stands is going to bench a kid if he start the season ruff? Seriously?
No way in hell can I see that happening. Lets hope we never find out but come on. The only way that will happen is if the kids confidence is completely blown and if TG is the QB, that will never happen.
No way in hell can I see that happening. Lets hope we never find out but come on. The only way that will happen is if the kids confidence is completely blown and if TG is the QB, that will never happen.