Does Miles deserve another year?

[davecisar]

The solution is easy. The problem is the execution. You have to make a change in leadership.

As I said you can’t fire him now because he did enough to keep the job. So now you have to wait for him to give you another reason. The problem is does he get one losing season? two? How much good will does he get for an NCAA berth this year or a deep NIT run? Does that buy him 2 or 3 more years? Does this one season mean the 4 previous were flukes?

As I said before, we bought fools gold, now we are waiting around for a sucker to sell it to.

Interesting
I dont claim to know much about BB

However-You aggressively supported Mike Riley for 3+ years right here on this very forum with 100s of posts
MR- was a .500 coach Miles was a .500 coach
MR was 19-19 here .500 coach Miles is a .500 coach at NU
Riley took over 5th winningest program of all time Miles took over a Program that had rarely if ever won
Riley Took Over for a .700 Coach Miles took over for a .500 coach
Riley took team that won 9/10 games 7 consecutive years Miles took over 12-18 team
Riley took over a team with an aggregate recruiting ranking in 20s, 2 Four Star QBs Miles- inherited little

Riley was responsible for taking that team to 2 losing seasons in 3- then the worst NU football season in 56 years- his last season. Absolute historic quantifiable new lows- the absolute abyss

Miles took a team to a 22-10 season with 13-5 in league= this last year

But in your book- the .500 basketball guy who took over a crappy program that rarely if ever wins- and went .500 needs to get canned
While your buddy Mike Riley who took over a historic winner and a team that had consistently won= went .500 and turned them into a 4 win team- was fine and should have been given more time according to your posts.

Im not a BB guy- so I have no idea if Miles should be retained or not. Enjoy watching them play- going to the games- but dont know the game well enough to render an intelligent opinion.
However it seems you have much different decision criteria on evaluating coaches

Seems a bit backwards to me- are you sure you dont have them switched around? Fire Riley- retain Miles instead of your Retain Riley- fire Miles? Are you related to Mike Riley, are you Mike Riley ?

 

[RealTucoSalamanca]

Interesting
I dont claim to know much about BB

However-You aggressively supported Mike Riley for 3+ years right here on this very forum with 100s of posts
MR- was a .500 coach Miles was a .500 coach
MR was 19-19 here .500 coach Miles is a .500 coach at NU
Riley took over 5th winningest program of all time Miles took over a Program that had rarely if ever won
Riley Took Over for a .700 Coach Miles took over for a .500 coach
Riley took team that won 9/10 games 7 consecutive years Miles took over 12-18 team
Riley took over a team with an aggregate recruiting ranking in 20s, 2 Four Star QBs Miles- inherited little

Riley was responsible for taking that team to 2 losing seasons in 3- then the worst NU football season in 56 years- his last season. Absolute historic quantifiable new lows- the absolute abyss

Miles took a team to a 22-10 season with 13-5 in league= this last year

But in your book- the .500 basketball guy who took over a crappy program that rarely if ever wins- and went .500 needs to get canned
While your buddy Mike Riley who took over a historic winner and a team that had consistently won= went .500 and turned them into a 4 win team- was fine and should have been given more time according to your posts.

Im not a BB guy- so I have no idea if Miles should be retained or not. Enjoy watching them play- going to the games- but dont know the game well enough to render an intelligent opinion.
However it seems you have much different decision criteria on evaluating coaches

Seems a bit backwards to me- are you sure you dont have them switched around? Fire Riley- retain Miles instead of your Retain Riley- fire Miles? Are you related to Mike Riley, are you Mike Riley ?

So then since you never supported Riley because he was just a .500 coach, you would agree that Miles should be gone then right? I would hate for you to not be consistent also?

 

[Redscarlet]

So then since you never supported Riley because he was just a .500 coach, you would agree that Miles should be gone then right? I would hate for you to not be consistent also?

Truth be told Miles took over a losing program and Riley took over a program that was winning maybe not at the rate the fan base wanted, but still 9-10 games every year.

 

[Sporty]

So 22-10 is the same as 4-8? That is the final comparison no matter what. In addition it is quite apparent that .500 in 6 years in basketball is much more of a positive accomplishment than .500 in football over 3 years. I personally am not saying one way or another in this post whether Miles deserves another year unless you just compare the last season under both Riley and Miles. Miles wins hands down and there is no arguing that fact!

 

[RealTucoSalamanca]

Truth be told Miles took over a losing program and Riley took over a program that was winning maybe not at the rate the fan base wanted, but still 9-10 games every year.

He took over a program that had 2 losing seasons in Sadler’s 6 seasons. As for Miles, outside of a 10 game stretch in Feb-March 2014 he had nothing but losing season until this year.

Spin it however you want

 

[Redscarlet]

He took over a program that had 2 losing seasons in Sadler’s 6 seasons. As for Miles, outside of a 10 game stretch in Feb-March 2014 he had nothing but losing season until this year.

Spin it however you want

I thought we were comparing Riley and Miles and not Doc Sadler?

Since you're spinning it, You forgot to mention that Doc never had a above .500 record in conference play for 6 years.

 

[RealTucoSalamanca]

Ha ha ha no just super fan youth football hero was comparing Miles to Riley.


So 3 consecutive losing seasons is acceptable? Nebraska basketball has had 12 losing seasons since 1986. 4 belong to Tim Miles.

 

[davecisar]

So then since you never supported Riley because he was just a .500 coach, you would agree that Miles should be gone then right? I would hate for you to not be consistent also?

Not at all- I said I didnt know- = per my words in my earlier post
"Im not a BB guy- so I have no idea if Miles should be retained or not"
Unlike a lot of people I dont feel the need to make 10 posts a day and comment on something I know very little about

Some Facts- some things I do know:
The BBall program is a historically awful program
The Football team OTOH is top 5 wins of all time
The BBall program was handed over from a ,500 coach and was 12-18 the year before
The Football program OTOH was handed over from a .700 coach and was 9/10 wins for 7 previous years- team knew how to and expected to win
The BBall program didnt have much of any talent left over
The Football program OTOH had an aggregate top 20 recruiting ranking and 2 four star QBs left in the cupboard

You were aggressively in the corner of the awful ,500 coach that sunk NU into the worst depths- worst coach in 56 years

Yet the guy who is 500 in basketball- about the historic norm for basketball here in Nebraska isnt good enough

Lets take this to the logical extreme
Coach A takes over program that has averaged 11 wins for 20 years in a row
Coach B takes over a program that has averaged 1 win the last 20 years in a row
Would we have the same expectations of success for both coaches given their much different circumstances
Most reasonable people would probably say no

Wild wild stuff

Im not sure why anyone would put any validity into your posts
Up until what 2 weeks ago- you were probably the strongest Riley believer and apologist here on the board. With the readily available data, and games that anyone can watch on TV and anyone with reasonable football knowledge- would come to the conclusion Riley is an awful college football coach and would have absolutely zero chance of making NU great again with his approach and leadership.

You- keep the ,500 football guy who in running a 100 yard race- got a 30 yard head start on most of the rest of the field- and finished near the very bottom - losing to some real fat slow kids.

You- fire the 500 basketball guy running the 100 yard race who had to run the full 100 yards and finished in the middle of the pack.

 

[Redscarlet]

Ha ha ha no just super fan youth football hero was comparing Miles to Riley.


So 3 consecutive losing seasons is acceptable? Nebraska basketball has had 12 losing seasons since 1986. 4 belong to Tim Miles.

And on the flip side 2 of Miles 6 seasons have been the best at Nebraska in the last 12 to 20 years.

 

[davecisar]

So then since you never supported Riley because he was just a .500 coach, you would agree that Miles should be gone then right? I would hate for you to not be consistent also?

Mr Mike Riley died in the wool supporter- who wanted him to get an extension at the end of his 2017 disaster season:

These are the words in my original post:
"Im not a BB guy- so I have no idea if Miles should be retained or not."

We were comparing Miles to Riley
Riley had 1 winning season out of 3
Miles has 2 winning seasons out of 6
Seems like they are kinda the same guy- but you want 1 fired (Miles) and you were the biggest supporter here of the other- RIley
Only difference was- Riley is coaching a team that had won 9/10 games for 7 seasons in a row and top 5 in all time wins
Miles is coaching a perennial loser that was 12-18 the year he got the team

I didnt support Riley because he was a 60+ year old career ,500 coach whose 2.5 passing yards to rushing yards ratio was FAR out of bounds with what has won the BIG in the last 10 years 1.2 average and range of ,8 to 1.6 outlier. His "players coach" West Coast soft style had zero chance here. After the fact we found out he was lazy, uncommitted and incompetent- pretty much year 1- then after he left we found out he was unscrupulous to boot

Didnt stop some like you to dig in their heels even deeper and still try and make up excuses for the guy.

If I had been as football illiterate/nebraska football illiterate as those who aggressively supported Mike Riley until the bitter end- I would either apologize or leave the board and take up another thing to be have an "expert opinion" on Especially if Im making 10 posts a day and claim to be an anonymous "insider"

 

[Ewooc]

Here is the truth and I like to deal in it.

Miles deserves another year but he will be on very hot seat, if not gone, if he fails to produce next year. Next year should be a better team capable of winning at even higher levels than this year. But keep in mind BIG cant possibly be as down.

I say NCAA bid at least and competitive loss at very least. Or it’s time. Some may argue we need to finally win one NCAA. I couldn’t argue that either

Nebraska is the ONLY basketball Power 6 school to never win an ncaa tourney game. I was shocked when I saw that. I mean I knew we were bad but wow.

 

[Ewooc]

And on the flip side 2 of Miles 6 seasons have been the best at Nebraska in the last 12 to 20 years.

That pretty well sums up Miles, even from game to game. So inconsistent.

 

[davecisar]

Nebraska is the ONLY basketball Power 6 school to never win an ncaa tourney game. I was shocked when I saw that. I mean I knew we were bad but wow.

Yes but on the flip side NU football has:
Won 5 National Titles- Played in at least 10
Won 9 or more games in 48 of the last 56 years
Had just 4 losing seasons in last 56 years- 2 Were Mike Rileys doing
350+ game sellout streak
Leads Nation in Academic All- Americans
3 Heisman Winners
8 Outland/Lombardi Winners
National Brand

Im thinking we might have a bit different expectations and time lines for the two programs since one has been near the very top - compared to the other program which has perennially near the bottom. Again- I know little of BB- so Im not a good judge on if they are making the requisite improvements or not. NU football OTOH I feel good enough about chiming in- its in shambles- its been decimated

 

[Redscarlet]

Nebraska is the ONLY basketball Power 6 school to never win an ncaa tourney game. I was shocked when I saw that. I mean I knew we were bad but wow.

But we have played in the NIT 17 times and actually won it.Winking

 

[RealTucoSalamanca]

And on the flip side 2 of Miles 6 seasons have been the best at Nebraska in the last 12 to 20 years.

So 2>4?

 

[RealTucoSalamanca]

Mr Mike Riley died in the wool supporter- who wanted him to get an extension at the end of his 2017 disaster season:

These are the words in my original post:
"Im not a BB guy- so I have no idea if Miles should be retained or not."

We were comparing Miles to Riley
Riley had 1 winning season out of 3
Miles has 2 winning seasons out of 6
Seems like they are kinda the same guy- but you want 1 fired (Miles) and you were the biggest supporter here of the other- RIley
Only difference was- Riley is coaching a team that had won 9/10 games for 7 seasons in a row and top 5 in all time wins
Miles is coaching a perennial loser that was 12-18 the year he got the team

I didnt support Riley because he was a 60+ year old career ,500 coach whose 2.5 passing yards to rushing yards ratio was FAR out of bounds with what has won the BIG in the last 10 years 1.2 average and range of ,8 to 1.6 outlier. His "players coach" West Coast soft style had zero chance here. After the fact we found out he was lazy, uncommitted and incompetent- pretty much year 1- then after he left we found out he was unscrupulous to boot

Didnt stop some like you to dig in their heels even deeper and still try and make up excuses for the guy.

If I had been as football illiterate/nebraska football illiterate as those who aggressively supported Mike Riley until the bitter end- I would either apologize or leave the board and take up another thing to be have an "expert opinion" on Especially if Im making 10 posts a day and claim to be an anonymous "insider"

No YOU were comparing Miles to Riley. No one else.
Ehh ehh try again

 

[davecisar]

No YOU were comparing Miles to Riley. No one else.
Ehh ehh try again

Yeah
If I was in your shoes
I wouldn’t be able to support 100 percent full support for Riley the .500 coach even post 2017 season
While at the same time wanting a .500 Miles fired
Impossible to reconcile the two
Impossible

I can see why you don’t want to talk about it

 

[anon_umk0ifu6vj6zi]

Mr Mike Riley died in the wool supporter- who wanted him to get an extension at the end of his 2017 disaster season:

These are the words in my original post:
"Im not a BB guy- so I have no idea if Miles should be retained or not."

We were comparing Miles to Riley
Riley had 1 winning season out of 3
Miles has 2 winning seasons out of 6
Seems like they are kinda the same guy- but you want 1 fired (Miles) and you were the biggest supporter here of the other- RIley
Only difference was- Riley is coaching a team that had won 9/10 games for 7 seasons in a row and top 5 in all time wins
Miles is coaching a perennial loser that was 12-18 the year he got the team

I didnt support Riley because he was a 60+ year old career ,500 coach whose 2.5 passing yards to rushing yards ratio was FAR out of bounds with what has won the BIG in the last 10 years 1.2 average and range of ,8 to 1.6 outlier. His "players coach" West Coast soft style had zero chance here. After the fact we found out he was lazy, uncommitted and incompetent- pretty much year 1- then after he left we found out he was unscrupulous to boot

Didnt stop some like you to dig in their heels even deeper and still try and make up excuses for the guy.

If I had been as football illiterate/nebraska football illiterate as those who aggressively supported Mike Riley until the bitter end- I would either apologize or leave the board and take up another thing to be have an "expert opinion" on Especially if Im making 10 posts a day and claim to be an anonymous "insider"

Just show us a video of you benching, please. We are all dying to see it

 

[Redscarlet]

So 2>4?

2 out weight the doc 6.

 

[PeliniTheCrutch_rivals294365]

This is good.

 

[davecisar]

Again- not a technical basketball guy- never played it or coached it etc
BUT as a BB fan who just likes to go to the Haymarket, have some food and a few brews and watch the game- or even stay home and catch it on TV

I LOVED Doc Sadler as a person
He was passionate about NU BB and worked very hard
But his brand of basketball was really tough to watch- for the unsophisticated BB fan like me

Nee and Miles teams- lots more fun to watch and I think crowd wise- the Miles teams seem to be drawing pretty well. For a guy like Moos- that probably counts for something.

When it comes to football- Moos rightfully yanked hard on the leash as the sellout streak was going to for sure end in 2018 if Riley was still feeding at the trough- guaranteed. No one really knows what his expectations are for basketball- but attendance isnt hurting.

 

[anon_umk0ifu6vj6zi]

Again- not a technical basketball guy- never played it or coached it etc
BUT as a BB fan who just likes to go to the Haymarket, have some food and a few brews and watch the game- or even stay home and catch it on TV

I LOVED Doc Sadler as a person
But his brand of basketball was really tough to watch- for the unsophisticated BB fan like me

Nee and Miles teams- lots more fun to watch and I think crowd wise- the Miles teams seem to be drawing pretty well. For a guy like Moos- that probably counts for something.

When it comes to football- Moos rightfully yanked hard on the leash as the sellout streak was going to for sure end in 2018 if Riley was still feeding at the trough- guaranteed. No one really knows what his expectations are for basketball- but attendance isnt hurting.

You blo-tards have been saying that for years about the BS "sellout" streak. It never happened, and you are nothing but a Blo-hard with that claim.

 

[huskerssalts]

Yes he should. We did bomb it against Michigan but this year was a big step forward. Yes, if we didn’t get Copeland and Palmer Jr, there may have been a good chance Miles got fired this year (my opinion) but we got them both and he didn’t. Next year we SHOULD have everyone back and this team could be very good. I’m pumped to see how good we do next year. Now the year after, when we lose Watson, Copeland and Palmer Jr, we maybe in trouble unless we get some more big time talent.