Prediction: Nebraska will beat Michigan

[chicolby]

I’ll go out on a limb now and call for a Husker win over Michigan (assuming they make it).

Over the years, I’ve seen a lot of teams play with a chip on their shoulders and those teams - when the right mentality sets in, are really hard to beat. Nebraska qualifies this year more so than many I’ve seen at Nebraska maybe since the year when Pike carried the Huskers to a Big 8 title.

Yes, Michigan will want revenge for the 20 point loss, but trust me, Michigan’s desire for revenge will come nowhere near the amount of desire the Huskers have to show the world they belong. As a matter of fact, the number of experts having them out, further fuels this. So I’m glad they haven’t flipped for the Huskers yet.

Nebraska’s length and athleticism was specifically coached this year to slow down 3 point shooting - the thing Michigan relies on most.

Michigan plays nice defense but this also is where Nebraska’s depth helps. Nebraska can get points from its top 7 guys all the way down to Jordy and Evans. I also think the 4 days off will give the team fresh legs. Lastly, Palmer is due for another big game.

I imagine Michigan will be favored by 4 or so, and it will be easy money once again for those of you who like to wager.

 

[SWIowahawks_rivals44758]

Nebraska will be playing Iowa in the quarters. Ok probably not but I can hope.

I’ve been so close to pulling the trigger on betting Nebraska the past month or so. My buddy bet against them last night and I told him he was dumb.

 

[chicolby]

Nebraska will be playing Iowa in the quarters. Ok probably not but I can hope.

I’ve been so close to pulling the trigger on betting Nebraska the past month or so. My buddy bet against them last night and I told him he was dumb.

There’s simply no reason to bet against the Huskers this year. Not from a fan perspective but simply from a money perspective. They are the best cover team in the country - factually speaking.

The only game I suggested betting against Nebraska was the Illinois game. It was very trappy and on the road.

 

[jlb321_rivals110621]

I’ll go out on a limb now and call for a Husker win over Michigan (assuming they make it).

Over the years, I’ve seen a lot of teams play with a chip on their shoulders and those teams - when the right mentality sets in, are really hard to beat. Nebraska qualifies this year more so than many I’ve seen at Nebraska maybe since the year when Pike carried the Huskers to a Big 8 title.

Yes, Michigan will want revenge for the 20 point loss, but trust me, Michigan’s desire for revenge will come nowhere near the amount of desire the Huskers have to show the world they belong. As a matter of fact, the number of experts having them out, further fuels this. So I’m glad they haven’t flipped for the Huskers yet.

Nebraska’s length and athleticism was specifically coached this year to slow down 3 point shooting - the thing Michigan relies on most.

Michigan plays nice defense but this also is where Nebraska’s depth helps. Nebraska can get points from its top 7 guys all the way down to Jordy and Evans. I also think the 4 days off will give the team fresh legs. Lastly, Palmer is due for another big game.

I imagine Michigan will be favored by 4 or so, and it will be easy money once again for those of you who like to wager.

your premise is that Nebraska is in at this point regardless of what happens in the the conf tournament .. is that correct?

 

[dinglefritz]

I’ll go out on a limb now and call for a Husker win over Michigan (assuming they make it).

Over the years, I’ve seen a lot of teams play with a chip on their shoulders and those teams - when the right mentality sets in, are really hard to beat. Nebraska qualifies this year more so than many I’ve seen at Nebraska maybe since the year when Pike carried the Huskers to a Big 8 title.

Yes, Michigan will want revenge for the 20 point loss, but trust me, Michigan’s desire for revenge will come nowhere near the amount of desire the Huskers have to show the world they belong. As a matter of fact, the number of experts having them out, further fuels this. So I’m glad they haven’t flipped for the Huskers yet.

Nebraska’s length and athleticism was specifically coached this year to slow down 3 point shooting - the thing Michigan relies on most.

Michigan plays nice defense but this also is where Nebraska’s depth helps. Nebraska can get points from its top 7 guys all the way down to Jordy and Evans. I also think the 4 days off will give the team fresh legs. Lastly, Palmer is due for another big game.

I imagine Michigan will be favored by 4 or so, and it will be easy money once again for those of you who like to wager.

You're assuming Michigan is our opponent and the way the B1G has beat up on each other this year I wouldn't want to bet the farm on that. Stuff happens

 

[NUSOONER_rivals41585]

Rather play Michigan than Illnois they have given us fits the first two games and they are playing much better and more confidence I could easily see them beating iowa and upsetting Michigan.

 

[RealTucoSalamanca]

My statistics show that the league didn’t beat each other up. Top heavy and bottom heavy. 5 teams with at least 13 conference wins and 5 with 6 or less. Then 4 in the middle.

Good teams won and bad teams lost, only Michigan to Northwestern and Nebraska to Illinois are top 6 teams that lost to the bottom 4 teams

 

[chicolby]

your premise is that Nebraska is in at this point regardless of what happens in the the conf tournament .. is that correct?

Yes I stand by that, but I also believe they beat Michigan.

 

[newAD]

Rather play Michigan than Illnois they have given us fits the first two games and they are playing much better and more confidence I could easily see them beating iowa and upsetting Michigan.

We all better pray Michigan wins and makes it to the quarter finals. Illinois winning that game is an absolute nightmare scenario for Nebraska. One it takes away a type of win Nebraska so badly needs, and two, Nebraska hasn't exactly shown that they can put Illinois away in two meetings. Sparty losing in the quarters (assuming Nebraska gets past the quarters) is also a nightmare scenario.

 

[HUSKERFAN66]

I would kinda like to play Illinois again as long as we beat them

 

[newAD]

Yes I stand by that, but I also believe they beat Michigan.

Lose to Michigan and Nebraska is most certainly out. Yes we would have a split against them, but one at home, one on a neutral court. Neutral court victory wins.

Spare me the Nebraska has this many conference wins, Nebraska has this many overall wins, the no Big 10 team with this many wins has ever been left out blah, blah, blah. Irrelevant.

The amount of conference wins you have is NOT in the selection criteria.
The amount of overall wins you have is NOT in the selection criteria.
How you finished the season is NOT a selection criteria.
"Eyeball Test" is NOT a selection criteria.
Conference standings (especially in a conference where everyone does not play everyone twice) is NOT a selection criteria.

Who you played, who you beat. That is the criteria, and we are seriously lacking in that criteria. Our 2nd best win right now is against a Minnesota team that the committee has to speculate just how good they would have been had everyone stayed healthy. When that is what you have to hang your hat on, you are in serious trouble.

 

[newAD]

I would kinda like to play Illinois again as long as we beat them

No, you don't.

 

[HUSKERFAN66]

No, you don't.

Just want to avenge the loss. Like I said, as long as we win.

 

[anon_umk0ifu6vj6zi]

Just want to avenge the loss. Like I said, as long as we win.

That matchup is a lose/lose, no matter what. We need to play, and beat Michigan to have a sniff at the dance. If we play Illinois/Iowa you may as well order NIT tickets as soon as one of them beats Michigan

 

[huskerfan1414]

23 wins = IN

 

[Redscarlet]

That matchup is a lose/lose, no matter what. We need to play, and beat Michigan to have a sniff at the dance. If we play Illinois/Iowa you may as well order NIT tickets as soon as one of them beats Michigan

Unless we beat Michigan St... Funnier things have happen before why not this.

 

[schuele]

That matchup is a lose/lose, no matter what. We need to play, and beat Michigan to have a sniff at the dance. If we play Illinois/Iowa you may as well order NIT tickets as soon as one of them beats Michigan

Agree. That's why the short-lived talk of "I'd rather be the #5 seed, so we can get an extra win!" got a well-deserved beatdown. Nebraska doesn't need any more wins over bad teams. They need at least one quality win in NYC. If Michigan loses, the semifinal game would become a must win.

Not that I'm certain a win over Michigan gets NU in, but without that win the road gets way tougher.

 

[chicolby]

Lose to Michigan and Nebraska is most certainly out. Yes we would have a split against them, but one at home, one on a neutral court. Neutral court victory wins.

Spare me the Nebraska has this many conference wins, Nebraska has this many overall wins, the no Big 10 team with this many wins has ever been left out blah, blah, blah. Irrelevant.

The amount of conference wins you have is NOT in the selection criteria.
The amount of overall wins you have is NOT in the selection criteria.
How you finished the season is NOT a selection criteria.
"Eyeball Test" is NOT a selection criteria.
Conference standings (especially in a conference where everyone does not play everyone twice) is NOT a selection criteria.

Who you played, who you beat. That is the criteria, and we are seriously lacking in that criteria. Our 2nd best win right now is against a Minnesota team that the committee has to speculate just how good they would have been had everyone stayed healthy. When that is what you have to hang your hat on, you are in serious trouble.

With fans like ours, we can make the best arguments why we aren’t in.

You know that fan bases on other bubble teams are talking about why they should be in, not arguing why they should be left out.

But our fans are so stung by the past that they refuse to defend this team.

What you state is factually correct. But the committee is used to bring a human element to what otherwise is a pure computer assessment. Why fans on here buy into the crap about why the team shouldn’t be let in is beside me.

I believe this team does pass the eyeball test, and I believe the eyeball test matters. No, it’s not a stated evaluation but I believe it will be mentioned. In addition, I believe the committee will discuss which teams have the best chance at advancing - and when compared to other teams on the bubble, this team has as good a chance as any because they simply have won games.

Trust me, I know the same statistics and schedule challenges you do. I’m not dumb. I believe, and yes hope, the committee makes the right decision and I believe that decision results in Nebraska making the dance.

 

[Huskers_Rule]

With fans like ours, we can make the best arguments why we aren’t in.

You know that fan bases on other bubble teams are talking about why they should be in, not arguing why they should be left out.

But our fans are so stung by the past that they refuse to defend this team.

What you state is factually correct. But the committee is used to bring a human element to what otherwise is a pure computer assessment. Why fans on here buy into the crap about why the team shouldn’t be let in is beside me.

I believe this team does pass the eyeball test, and I believe the eyeball test matters. No, it’s not a stated evaluation but I believe it will be mentioned. In addition, I believe the committee will discuss which teams have the best chance at advancing - and when compared to other teams on the bubble, this team has as good a chance as any because they simply have won games.

Trust me, I know the same statistics and schedule challenges you do. I’m not dumb. I believe, and yes hope, the committee makes the right decision and I believe that decision results in Nebraska making the dance.

Not too mention in a year of exposing THE scandal perhaps letting a clean program in makes political sense.

 

[RealTucoSalamanca]

Zzzzzzz

 

[Cornicator]

We all better pray Michigan wins and makes it to the quarter finals. Illinois winning that game is an absolute nightmare scenario for Nebraska. One it takes away a type of win Nebraska so badly needs, and two, Nebraska hasn't exactly shown that they can put Illinois away in two meetings. Sparty losing in the quarters (assuming Nebraska gets past the quarters) is also a nightmare scenario.

While I agree with you, its virtually impossible for any of those "Wednesday night teams" to still have legs by the 2nd half of the Friday game.

Illinois definitely presents the Huskers with matchup problems. Underwood's pressure style is like Tim's kryptonite. And there would be no benefit to playing that game.

However..... any team that plays their 1st game on Friday afternoon would have a big advantage of fresh legs over a team playing the 3rd time in less than 72 hours.

 

[anon_umk0ifu6vj6zi]

With fans like ours, we can make the best arguments why we aren’t in.

You know that fan bases on other bubble teams are talking about why they should be in, not arguing why they should be left out.

But our fans are so stung by the past that they refuse to defend this team.

What you state is factually correct. But the committee is used to bring a human element to what otherwise is a pure computer assessment. Why fans on here buy into the crap about why the team shouldn’t be let in is beside me.

I believe this team does pass the eyeball test, and I believe the eyeball test matters. No, it’s not a stated evaluation but I believe it will be mentioned. In addition, I believe the committee will discuss which teams have the best chance at advancing - and when compared to other teams on the bubble, this team has as good a chance as any because they simply have won games.

Trust me, I know the same statistics and schedule challenges you do. I’m not dumb. I believe, and yes hope, the committee makes the right decision and I believe that decision results in Nebraska making the dance.

Who has stated this team doesn't pass the eyeball test? You seem still pissed at fans who are honest about the current situation.

 

[Huskercigar]

I'm also under the belief that all the talk about teams not being left out based on what has happened in the past is nonsense too. Newad's comments regarding selection criteria are accurate for most teams. However, regarding the last four in and the last 4 out it becomes a little cloudier and the committee has publicly stated in the past an edge has gone to teams that have come in "hot" towards the end of the season.

Plus how could you leave out our bench's sideline theatrics? :Cool:

 

[newAD]

While I agree with you, its virtually impossible for any of those "Wednesday night teams" to still have legs by the 2nd half of the Friday game.

Illinois definitely presents the Huskers with matchup problems. Underwood's pressure style is like Tim's kryptonite. And there would be no benefit to playing that game.

However..... any team that plays their 1st game on Friday afternoon would have a big advantage of fresh legs over a team playing the 3rd time in less than 72 hours.

I agree that if your goal is advancing, playing Illinois in the quarters and which would be their 3rd game in 3 days would likely be a win. My point is that is not going to build the "resume" the way a win over Michigan would. Beating Maryland in the semis wouldn't be terrible, but Wisky? Again, I'm thinking resume. I'm hoping Nebraska knocks off Michigan, and then maybe Sparty with some luck gets a little disinterested feeling they are a solid #2 seed in the semis.

If the unlikely scenario happens and Nebraska gets Illinois and then Wisky, well we better win the championship game.

 

[big red23]

Lose to Michigan and Nebraska is most certainly out. Yes we would have a split against them, but one at home, one on a neutral court. Neutral court victory wins.

Spare me the Nebraska has this many conference wins, Nebraska has this many overall wins, the no Big 10 team with this many wins has ever been left out blah, blah, blah. Irrelevant.

The amount of conference wins you have is NOT in the selection criteria.
The amount of overall wins you have is NOT in the selection criteria.
How you finished the season is NOT a selection criteria.
"Eyeball Test" is NOT a selection criteria.
Conference standings (especially in a conference where everyone does not play everyone twice) is NOT a selection criteria.

Who you played, who you beat. That is the criteria, and we are seriously lacking in that criteria. Our 2nd best win right now is against a Minnesota team that the committee has to speculate just how good they would have been had everyone stayed healthy. When that is what you have to hang your hat on, you are in serious trouble.

Strength of Record

ESPN's Strength of Record takes strength of schedule a step further by accounting for how a team actually did against its schedule. Unlike BPI, which accounts for how the game was won, Strength of Record simply cares about the difficulty of a team’s schedule and the result (win or loss).

For example, last season, Kansas ranked first in Strength of Record entering the NCAA Tournament, and a typical Top 25 team would have had less than a 1 percent chance to go 30-4 against the Jayhawks’ schedule.

Strength of Record answers the question of which teams deserve to make the NCAA Tournament based on their body of work. It correlates more closely with the actual committee rankings and seeding than BPI, but Strength of Record is far less accurate when making predictions.

Over the past five seasons, 94 percent of teams that SOR deemed deserving to make the tournament ended up making the field of 68.

Nebraska's Strength of Record

Service Current rating
NCAA RPI 59
ESPN SOR 33
Kenpom 54
KPI 64
ESPN BPI 62
Massey Composite 53
T-Rank 56
TeamRankings.com 64
Sagarin 59
LRMC 45

The only Power 6 teams to be left out with 13+ wins are Washington and Oregon of the 2011-2012 PAC 12 conference

Their Strength of Record...

Washington - 57
Oregon - 56

I know by the way you post you are stubborn when anyone disagrees with your opinion, but when you're stating "Lose to Michigan and Nebraska is most certainly out." that is completely false. Sorry but your opinion is unfortunately not accurate here.

My Sources

http://www.espn.com/mens-college-ba...rview/season/2012/sort/sorrank/page/3/dir/asc

https://bvankat.github.io/nebrasketball/

http://www.espn.com/blog/statsinfo/...record-what-are-they-and-how-are-they-derived

 

[newAD]

Strength of Record

ESPN's Strength of Record takes strength of schedule a step further by accounting for how a team actually did against its schedule. Unlike BPI, which accounts for how the game was won, Strength of Record simply cares about the difficulty of a team’s schedule and the result (win or loss).

For example, last season, Kansas ranked first in Strength of Record entering the NCAA Tournament, and a typical Top 25 team would have had less than a 1 percent chance to go 30-4 against the Jayhawks’ schedule.

Strength of Record answers the question of which teams deserve to make the NCAA Tournament based on their body of work. It correlates more closely with the actual committee rankings and seeding than BPI, but Strength of Record is far less accurate when making predictions.

Over the past five seasons, 94 percent of teams that SOR deemed deserving to make the tournament ended up making the field of 68.

Nebraska's Strength of Record

Service Current rating
NCAA RPI 59
ESPN SOR 33
Kenpom 54
KPI 64
ESPN BPI 62
Massey Composite 53
T-Rank 56
TeamRankings.com 64
Sagarin 59
LRMC 45

The only Power 6 teams to be left out with 13+ wins are Washington and Oregon of the 2011-2012 PAC 12 conference

Their Strength of Record...

Washington - 57
Oregon - 56

I know by the way you post you are stubborn when anyone disagrees with your opinion, but when you're stating "Lose to Michigan and Nebraska is most certainly out." that is completely false. Sorry but your opinion is unfortunately not accurate here.

My Sources

http://www.espn.com/mens-college-ba...rview/season/2012/sort/sorrank/page/3/dir/asc

https://bvankat.github.io/nebrasketball/

http://www.espn.com/blog/statsinfo/...record-what-are-they-and-how-are-they-derived

Let's hope we don't find out what would happen if Nebraska loses to Michigan. My biggest fear in losing to Michigan (besides the fact Nebraska's resume) is that Nebraska goes an additional week in comparison to other major conferences, without playing a game. Out of sight, out of mind.

Regarding 2012-2013, as I've said before, irrelevant. Different year, different criteria.

I'm not being stubborn either. I'm pointing out that as of right now Nebraska is in 7 of 110 brackets of people who are projecting what the committee will do. That's not good odds. If Nebraska is not in now according to most of the people who project this for a living, how exactly do you think they are going to get in, now that the regular season is over, and you add a loss?

Yes that is my opinion. I don't know if it is true, but you certainly can't prove at this time it is false. Tell me who of the teams Nebraska is allegedly competing with to get one of those final spots in the dance are going to be left out in favor of Nebraska, when the five above them are listed in 9, 17, 19, 21, and 34 brackets? What 4-6 teams that most currently have in the dance are going to fall out of the dance when the bottom 10 at large teams are listed in on average 96 of 110 brackets? Tell me how those people are wrong?

How exactly can you say Nebraska is IN right now, when all the other conference tournaments haven't even been played yet? We better be rooting for Buffalo in the MAC, Rhode Island/St Bonn in the A-10, Gonzaga/St. Marys in the WCC, and no unlikely Cinderellas in the major conferences. Every one of those that happens will be detrimental to Nebraska's chances.

As far as the ESPN SOR, nice stat. That doesn't take away that a big point of discussion for the committee that as of today Nebraska has 3 top 100 RPI wins, all at home. Overall, 3-8 against top 100. 10-1 in games against 100-199, 6-0 against 200-299, and 3-0 vs 300 plus. Rasmussen has mentioned many times in interviews how important road wins are in the process. Nebraska's best road win.......Wisconsin (121).

Like the RPI, hate the RPI, but the RPI is the ranking system they use to fill the Quads. Nebraska is lacking in that. Not just lacking, the numbers are freaking glaring, and every bracket maker I've heard has said the same thing.

Q1- 1-5
Q2- 2-2
Q3- 9-1
Q4- 11-0

91% of Nebraska's wins are Q3 and Q4. Like it or not, that above is the big freaking pink elephant in the room.

You say 94% of teams with a deserving SOR get into the tournament? Well do the above quad numbers look to you to be a case for the other 6%?

You bring up my posting history. Well if you have read my posts, I have backed a lot of them up with comparisons to the teams we are allegedly competing with, I'm not pulling it out of thin air. You've pulled out one stat, so compare that with the teams Nebraska is allegedly competing against and answer my questions.

 

[big red23]

Let's hope we don't find out what would happen if Nebraska loses to Michigan. My biggest fear in losing to Michigan (besides the fact Nebraska's resume) is that Nebraska goes an additional week in comparison to other major conferences, without playing a game. Out of sight, out of mind.

Regarding 2012-2013, as I've said before, irrelevant. Different year, different criteria.

I'm not being stubborn either. I'm pointing out that as of right now Nebraska is in 7 of 110 brackets of people who are projecting what the committee will do. That's not good odds. If Nebraska is not in now according to most of the people who project this for a living, how exactly do you think they are going to get in, now that the regular season is over, and you add a loss?

Yes that is my opinion. I don't know if it is true, but you certainly can't prove at this time it is false. Tell me who of the teams Nebraska is allegedly competing with to get one of those final spots in the dance are going to be left out in favor of Nebraska, when the five above them are listed in 9, 17, 19, 21, and 34 brackets? What 4-6 teams that most currently have in the dance are going to fall out of the dance when the bottom 10 at large teams are listed in on average 96 of 110 brackets? Tell me how those people are wrong?

How exactly can you say Nebraska is IN right now, when all the other conference tournaments haven't even been played yet? We better be rooting for Buffalo in the MAC, Rhode Island/St Bonn in the A-10, Gonzaga/St. Marys in the WCC, and no unlikely Cinderellas in the major conferences. Every one of those that happens will be detrimental to Nebraska's chances.

As far as the ESPN SOR, nice stat. That doesn't take away that a big point of discussion for the committee that as of today Nebraska has 3 top 100 RPI wins, all at home. Overall, 3-8 against top 100. 10-1 in games against 100-199, 6-0 against 200-299, and 3-0 vs 300 plus. Rasmussen has mentioned many times in interviews how important road wins are in the process. Nebraska's best road win.......Wisconsin (121).

Like the RPI, hate the RPI, but the RPI is the ranking system they use to fill the Quads. Nebraska is lacking in that. Not just lacking, the numbers are freaking glaring, and every bracket maker I've heard has said the same thing.

Q1- 1-5
Q2- 2-2
Q3- 9-1
Q4- 11-0

91% of Nebraska's wins are Q3 and Q4. Like it or not, that above is the big freaking pink elephant in the room.

You say 94% of teams with a deserving SOR get into the tournament? Well do the above quad numbers look to you to be a case for the other 6%?

You bring up my posting history. Well if you have read my posts, I have backed a lot of them up with comparisons to the teams we are allegedly competing with, I'm not pulling it out of thin air. You've pulled out one stat, so compare that with the teams Nebraska is allegedly competing against and answer my questions.

I can list quite a few actually, but for time purposes I am going to focus on 3 of them and a LOT of them come out of one conference

The PAC 12

Not only do they have a terrible showing in the SOR rankings. KenPom has them listed as quite a bit worse then the Big 10

SOR for the Pac 12

Arizona - 28
USC - 54
Arizona State - 56
UCLA - 63
Utah - 67 - No Chance
Washington - 71 - No Chance
Oregon - 75 - No Chance

SOR for the Big 10

Michigan State - 2
Purdue - 6
Michigan - 10
Ohio State - 11
Nebraska - 33
Maryland - 50
Penn State - 66
Indiana - 68

Here is the deal. You keep saying who are they going to take out in favor of us. Well more likely the three Pac 12 schools. They have worse records then us, and they're conference is significantly worse than the Big 10. Your perception is based on what the Joe blow bracketologists say

I going to base it my own research. My research shows me that the SOR is a hell or a lot more accurate than Jerry Palm and Joe Lunardi.

I feel like continuing

SOR for the SEC

Tennessee - 9
Auburn -12
Kentucky - 20
Arkansas - 35
Texas A&M - 37
Florida - 40
Mississippi St. - 44
Missouri - 52
Alabama - 58
Georgia - 59
LSU - 65

^^^

Like I said... I am basing this off of comparing SOR from 2012 - Present

90% of the field was on the 1st two pages, and not one team in the 30's has ever been left out.

Maybe... Just Maybe the Big 10 isn't as ****** as you think?

Edit: Don't have time for all because I'm just about to head home, but 30-39 in 2012

30 - Purdue = 10 Seed
31 - Iowa State = 8 Seed
32 - VCU = 12 Seed
33 - Memphis = 8 Seed
34 - New Mexico = 5 Seed
35 - Harvard = 12 Seed
36 - Virginia = 10 Seed
37 - NC State = 11 Seed
38 - Ohio = 13 Seed
39 - Notre Dame = 7 Seed

 

[schuele]

As much as I would love to see Bobby Hurley squealing loudly because his team got left out of the field, I don't see ASU missing the tournament unless they get swept at home this week by Cal and Stanford. I don't see USC missing the tournament either, unless they lose to UCLA and then lay an egg in the Pac-12 tournament.

UCLA is probably on the outside looking in. If they lose to USC - which I think they will - their chances of getting in are slim.

 

[big red23]

As much as I would love to see Bobby Hurley squealing loudly because his team got left out of the field, I don't see ASU missing the tournament unless they get swept at home this week by Cal and Stanford. I don't see USC missing the tournament either, unless they lose to UCLA and then lay an egg in the Pac-12 tournament.

UCLA is probably on the outside looking in. If they lose to USC - which I think they will - their chances of getting in are slim.

USC and Arizona State may very well get in but they aren't going to be taking our spot. They will be taking a team that is closer to that 50 mark on the strength of record. Meaning Missouri, Alabama, Baylor Etc..

 

[schuele]

USC and Arizona State may very well get in but they aren't going to be taking our spot. They will be taking a team that is closer to that 50 mark on the strength of record. Meaning Missouri, Alabama, Baylor Etc..

Then why did you just say, “You keep saying who are they going to take out in favor of us. Well more likely the three PAC 12 schools.”?

I didn’t say Nebraska getting in depended on ASU and USC getting left out - you did. About five minutes ago.

 

[nwualum_rivals330058]

Here is my concern. Michigan is going to be very motivated to seek revenge against us after we blew them out in Lincoln. Plus, they have been playing their best basketball recently. I certainly hope we win but I am not holding my breath on this one. Maybe they will have somebody get hurt or have to play a double overtime game the day before.

 

[newAD]

I can list quite a few actually, but for time purposes I am going to focus on 3 of them and a LOT of them come out of one conference

The PAC 12

Not only do they have a terrible showing in the SOR rankings. KenPom has them listed as quite a bit worse then the Big 10

SOR for the Pac 12

Arizona - 28
USC - 54
Arizona State - 56
UCLA - 63
Utah - 67 - No Chance
Washington - 71 - No Chance
Oregon - 75 - No Chance

SOR for the Big 10

Michigan State - 2
Purdue - 6
Michigan - 10
Ohio State - 11
Nebraska - 33
Maryland - 50
Penn State - 66
Indiana - 68

Here is the deal. You keep saying who are they going to take out in favor of us. Well more likely the three Pac 12 schools. They have worse records then us, and they're conference is significantly worse than the Big 10. Your perception is based on what the Joe blow bracketologists say

I going to base it my own research. My research shows me that the SOR is a hell or a lot more accurate than Jerry Palm and Joe Lunardi.

I feel like continuing

SOR for the SEC

Tennessee - 9
Auburn -12
Kentucky - 20
Arkansas - 35
Texas A&M - 37
Florida - 40
Mississippi St. - 44
Missouri - 52
Alabama - 58
Georgia - 59
LSU - 65

^^^

Like I said... I am basing this off of comparing SOR from 2012 - Present

90% of the field was on the 1st two pages, and not one team in the 30's has ever been left out.

Maybe... Just Maybe the Big 10 isn't as ****** as you think?

Edit: Don't have time for all because I'm just about to head home, but 30-39 in 2012

30 - Purdue = 10 Seed
31 - Iowa State = 8 Seed
32 - VCU = 12 Seed
33 - Memphis = 8 Seed
34 - New Mexico = 5 Seed
35 - Harvard = 12 Seed
36 - Virginia = 10 Seed
37 - NC State = 11 Seed
38 - Ohio = 13 Seed
39 - Notre Dame = 7 Seed

And again, you are comparing a SOR to past years. New year, new criteria. If the criteria had not changed, you'd have a point. With no history to compare to, we don't know if you have a point.

Let me make this clear. I hate the new criteria. I think they had good intentions in creating it, but now, it has become like the NFL catch rule debacle the last few years. I am taking that criteria and applying it to the teams out there. You are taking 1 formula, and think that will override the major new criteria factor that they have implemented this year? That's a hell of a gamble.

BTW, no one wants Nebraska in the dance more than I do. I am a basketball junkie. I'm on the down side to 50 and I've been dying to see Nebraska become relevant in basketball for decades. However, I am giving an objective, opinion not a fans opinion. I hope like hell Nebraska is in, but I still say a loss to Michigan, and we are NIT bound, without an incredible amount of luck.

Oh, and sorry, I'm a little more concerned that 103 of the 'Joe Blow' bracketologists have us out right now, than I am encouraged by one SOR formula, where 6% have been left out.

And who said I said the BIG is ******? The BIG is where it is in the criteria the committee uses. I'm not saying the BIG is ******. People around the country are saying it, or at least saying the BIG is having a down year, being #6 in the RPI (Funny how I didn't hear anyone complain about the RPI in 2014 when the BIG was listed #1). That's why 7 of 10 Big 12, 6 of 10 Big East, and 9 of 15 ACC teams are projected in as of today, vs 4 of 14 BIG teams. Oh I forgot, those are just Joe Blows. Joe Blow message board posting past years' SOR is so much more reliable.

 

[schuele]

BTW, no one wants Nebraska in the dance more than I do. I am a basketball junkie. I'm on the down side to 50 and I've been dying to see Nebraska become relevant in basketball for decades. However, I am giving an objective, opinion not a fans opinion. I hope like hell Nebraska is in, but I still say a loss to Michigan, and we are NIT bound, without an incredible amount of luck.

No, no, no. If you haven't convinced yourself that Nebraska's in the tournament no matter what, you just aren't a "real" basketball fan. Period, end of story. You probably just started following Husker basketball last week, and secretly want them to lose.

 

[newAD]

No, no, no. If you haven't convinced yourself that Nebraska's in the tournament no matter what, you just aren't a "real" basketball fan. Period, end of story. You probably just started following Husker basketball last week, and secretly want them to lose.

You called my bluff! I'm Johnny come lately.

 

[RealTucoSalamanca]

A little PSA:

Please put SARCASM in posts if necessary.

 

[big red23]

No, no, no. If you haven't convinced yourself that Nebraska's in the tournament no matter what, you just aren't a "real" basketball fan. Period, end of story. You probably just started following Husker basketball last week, and secretly want them to lose.

It is quite simple... Don't get you panties in a bunch because I'm not al doom and gloom. I am just providing logical information that proves we are not "Out" if we lose to Michigan. I never said anything about Nebraska being in no matter what. I am simply showing you that history shows we have a good shot even if we lose to Michigan, and NewAD's theories are based upon the media (Yes Bracketmatrix.com is all media sites)

Teams that finished with a Strength or Record in the 30's from 2012-2017...

2012

30 – Purdue = 10 Seed

31 – Iowa State = 8 Seed

32 – VCU = 12 Seed

33 – Memphis = 8 Seed

34 – New Mexico = 5 Seed

35 – Harvard = 12 Seed

36 – Virginia = 10 Seed

37 – NC State = 11 Seed

38 – Ohio = 13 Seed

39 – Notre Dame = 7 Seed


2013

30 – Ole Miss = 12 Seed

31 – UCLA = 6 Seed

32 – VCU = 5 Seed

33 – Minnesota = 11 Seed

34 – Colorado State = 8 Seed

35 – Uconn = Not in Tournament due to being academically ineligible

36 – Iowa = Not in due to “Iowa Sucks” and they were 78th in RPI

37 – Temple = 9 Seed

38 – Missourt = 9 Seed

39 – Iowa State = 10 Seed


2014

30 – Oregon = 7 Seed

31 – Oklahoma = 5 Seed

32 – VCU = 5 Seed

33 – George Washington = 9 Seed

34 – Harvard = 12 Seed

35 – Umass = 6 Seed

36 – Stanford = 10 Seed

37 – Minnesota = Not in/Conference record was 8-10 and BPI was 73(Won NIT Tournament)

38 – Tennessee = 11 Seed

39 – Stephen F. Austin = 12 Seed


2015

30 – NC State = 8 Seed

31 – San Diego State = 8 Seed

32 – Dayton = 11 Seed

33 – Utah = 5 Seed

34 – Xavier = 6 Seed

35 – Miami = Not in/Finished Runner up in NIT was 62 in RPI and 20-10 Record

36 – St John’s = 9 Seed

37 – Stephen F. Austin = 12 Seed

38 – Purdue = 9 Seed

39 – Texas = 11 Seed


2016

30 – Syracuse = 10 Seed

31 – Texas = 6 Seed

32 – Wisconsin = 7 Seed

33 – Michigan = 11 Seed

34 – Butler = 9 Seed

35 – Arizona = 6 Seed

36 – Pittsburg = 10 Seed

37 – Dayton = 7 Seed

38 – Georgia Tech = Not in/ 19-14(8-10) 67 RPI

39 – St Mary’s = Not in/26-4 regular season and two wins over the Zags - No Clue why they weren’t in other than being a mid major? Their BPI = 39, and their RPI = 40


2017

30 – Virginia Tech = 9 Seed

31 – Xavier = 11 Seed

32 – Minnesota = 5 Seed

33 – Miami = 8 Seed

34 – Maryland = 6 Seed

35 – Northwestern = 8 Seed

36 – USC = 11 Seed

37 – Seton Hall = 9 Seed

38 – Kansas State = 11 Seed

39 – Middle Tennessee = 12 Seed



Currently we sit at # 31 with a win over Michigan we will finish in the 20's. With a loss to Michigan we will remain around the same.

Considering that 55 of the 60 teams over the last six years have made it to the tournament with a SOR ranking in the 30's I like our chances, but again that is just me. I am not saying it is a guarantee, but the odds seem to be in our favor. History is sitting right in front of your face, that our odds are good not bad. Sorry bud I disagree with you!