Sipple article about Jucos

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If a kid is going to be a bust I would rather he be a juco and not have him around for 5 years like a high school bust.

 

[anon_umk0ifu6vj6zi]

Makes sense to me that Smilin Mike would bend his will to a "compliance directive" and not recruit Jucos. He was that soft.

Or, he thought in his loser mind that building the Husker Program would be better served by staying in HS and not over-signing (weak mentality).

Oh, and develop like shite and motivate like a teen halftime show.

Mike Riley shouldn't be considered HC at Morningside College. He sucks. He epitomizes failure, at all levels.

Gotta agree with him not standing up. It's as lame as Blo getting upset because he wanted to not punish a kid who thinks he could walk around campus exposing himself with no circumstances

 

[CDMXHusker]

http://kwsn.com/news/articles/2016/jul/30/osborne-opens-up-on-the-bo-pelini-hire/
For a usually measured Osborne, this spoke volumes. For him to admit he didn't know enough about Bo was probably the hardest thing he ever had to admit, because he has a way of polishing things to make people believe he never made a mistake.

Thanks.

 

[Headcard]

That's a ridiculous statement. He didn't set NU back nor did he really move them forward. I don't pine for him but he was a much better coach than what he was replaced with. Do you really think NU would not have been better than 19-19 over the last 3 years if he was still here? He hasn't been here for three years, give it a rest. The real damage was done under Riley's tenure.

I didn’t bring him up, look at the post I responded to, your buddy brought him up in a thread that had nothing to do with Pelini in any way. And yes he was a jackass and yes he did set us back big time. Yes, we would have been better than 19-19 the last three years with him, but we still would be getting blown out over and over and been a national laughing stock. Being better than MR is not the accomplishment you make it out to be. Let’s not try to rewrite history.

 

[Headcard]

Jackass or not he is not our problem the last 3 years.. We could have come off 3 national championships with BP and this disaster with MR was still going to happen. I'm not sure how you continue to defend MR by deflecting towards BP. Bo was the one who took our second worst chit show back to respectability only to have our worst chit show run it back down.

Nobody is defending the BP mentality and the jackass reference. He was. But he was twice the coach that MR was and got twice as much out of the players. Unfortunately too many people argue that statement because they think we are defending Bo by making that statement. On the contrary......we are just making the statement based on the facts of the coaches that he was sandwiched against before and after him. They were so bad......they made him look good in comparison.

I didn’t defend Riley or deflect anything, I didn’t bring your hero up in this thread. But he absolute sucked, winning more games than the guy after him does not prove you were right about him and he somehow becomes a great coach or a decent human being.

 

[anon_umk0ifu6vj6zi]

I didn’t bring him up, look at the post I responded to, your buddy brought him up in a thread that had nothing to do with Pelini in any way. And yes he was a jackass and yes he did set us back big time. Yes, we would have been better than 19-19 the last three years with him, but we still would be getting blown out over and over and been a national laughing stock. Being better than MR is not the accomplishment you make it out to be. Let’s not try to rewrite history.

Boom

 

[anon_umk0ifu6vj6zi]

I didn’t defend Riley or deflect anything, I didn’t bring your hero up in this thread. But he absolute sucked, winning more games than the guy after him does not prove you were right about him and he somehow becomes a great coach or a decent human being.

Double boom

 

[WestCoastCornhusker2]

You're excused because Mike Riley, in his three years as Husker head coach, never signed a junior college player, in large part because he hardly tried.​

"Hardly" tried Winking

He expressed concern about a junior college player's limited "clock" in the program to which he transfers. Time is of the essence for jucos, Riley said, because if a player doesn't pan out, nobody's happy.​

The player might not pan out, but you should be able to tell a little bit better than a high school kid on whether or not he might pan out since he played a couple extra years in college already....

Riley isn't so smart, if a juco doesn't work out, its a 2-3 year schollie tie up, otherwise it's 4 to 5 year tie up.

 

[anon_umk0ifu6vj6zi]

Thanks.

Sorry to disappoint you in your worship for Bo. Also sorry you apparently have no respect for Osborne.

 

[RedSea_rivals91325]

Oh bull. The Compliance Department could not and did not tell Mike Riley that he could not recruit any JUCOs. Stop trying to sell that. Good grief, if only poor MR had been given some decent facilities and some room to make his own decisions, and if he hadn't been forced to bring all his assistants with him, and forced to fire them, and forced to hire guru Diaco, and if he had been given a decent salary so that his wife could hold her head up in Lincoln, just think what he would have done.

No, No one forced him to not recruit JUCOs.

 

[CDMXHusker]

Sorry to disappoint you in your worship for Bo. Also sorry you apparently have no respect for Osborne.

You assume a lot. You are completely incorrect on both your points.

 

[anon_umk0ifu6vj6zi]

You assume a lot. You are completely incorrect on both your points.

BS. Now run along to the board obsessed with gay sex topics. You're needed there.

 

[coachDubs]

Oh bull. The Compliance Department could not and did not tell Mike Riley that he could not recruit any JUCOs. Stop trying to sell that.

lulz at "oh bull".

He only recruited JUCO's every single year at Oregon State, while Nebraska did as well. Then, after a full recruiting class, it stopped. Goodness some of you people are beyond ridiculous.

Riley failed here, period. It doesn't change the JUCO fact though.

 

[bigscarlet]

It's real simple Bo was a PRI-- and a mediocre coach, Riley was a nice guy and a terrible coach, either way it screwed Nebraska. Good god not even Tennessee would talk with Bo and Riley is done as a Power 5 Head coach so best put it to rest.
Juco kids are no different than prep kids, some work out some don't. Juco route is to quickly fill glaring needs so for Nebraska that is as necessary as the walkon program. We have had some pretty good players out of Juco ranks, Newton, Terrio, Rozier, Farley, David, and many more so I think you evaluate and take a select few.

Henry Wachter

 

[steelclaw_rivals321686]

Not. It was a Riley decision period. He might have had some people whispering in his ear but the final decision was his just like everything else. if he let them make that decision that is on him.

He was encouraged not to by S.E. That’s pretty much a known fact. That’s still on Riley for not fighting it. Riley has always recruited JUCOs before and is now again. It’s also probably part of what Frost said on his hiring day here about quote “unnecessary roadblocks” put up by the prior administration.

 

[steelclaw_rivals321686]

I have not seen this quote from TO. Can you produce it?

I’ve seen it, not sure the outlet. He sure should think it was a mistake keeping Bo around 7 years.

 

[steelclaw_rivals321686]

That's a ridiculous statement. He didn't set NU back nor did he really move them forward. I don't pine for him but he was a much better coach than what he was replaced with. Do you really think NU would not have been better than 19-19 over the last 3 years if he was still here? He hasn't been here for three years, give it a rest. The real damage was done under Riley's tenure.

Riley was terrible but wasn’t here long enough to do long term damage. And as awful as he was, last season was a Pelini season. 9 wins, blowout losses to the good teams. Bo might as well have coached it.

 

[BigRedBeliever]

If Eichorst and the compliance office have control over our coaches choices, then it begs the question; who else tries to control our coaches?

 

[SPbObRT]

JUCO players are a double-edged sword. They ended up at a JUCO for a reason. The high-risk, high-reward nature of JUCO recruits means for every star you have wowing the fans, you're going to have another who is a total bust, or worse, criminal case that brings criticism and negative attention to the program.

Most scholarship freshmen and redshirt freshmen don't see the field, so you can get about the same playing time out of a JUCO. But they have to arrive on campus ready to learn the system. That's a tall order.

I personally would try to fill needs as much as possible with prep recruits, but would hit the JUCO's for 2-5 guys every year to fill gaps. If you can get a reputation as a coach who gets JUCO players on the field, and into the NFL, recruiting would get a lot easier. In a way, it is the opposite side of the coin from walk-ons. Give everybody a fair shot. The best players play. No favorites, no free rides, no doghouses.

not all go JUCO because of grades and issues with the law, HONUS is a prime example of this. just saying

 

[davecisar]

Riley isn't so smart, if a juco doesn't work out, its a 2-3 year schollie tie up, otherwise it's 4 to 5 year tie up.

The deal Riley said he was "afraid" of was the JUCO has an expectation to play right away and if that doesnt work out, it creates friction- issues.

Just repeating what Riley said. Maybe Riley had a tough time with addressing friction and playing time- I dont know. Im with you- if you miss its just a 2 year issue, not a 4 year one.

However- if you do things like recruit something like 10 JUCOs a year- I can see where that might be disruptive to your locker room

I like where HCSF is at with the JUCO numbers of 3-5 per year and his ability to leverage the knowledge and relationships Held has in the JUCO community.

WHile NU will always struggle to get the top 1-3 players in the country at X position- They look to have snagged the #1 ILB, #3 RB and #3 Safety in the Country in the JUCO world. That's incredible IMO,

Will all of them pan out? NO, but I think most will and that HCSF and his staff have done their due diligence in offering the right ones- then will mold them appropriately.

 

[davecisar]

Yes. Although as I remember it, Rozier was all-in on coming to Nebraska before he went to junior college. He just needed to get eligible.

Yes
NU parked Rozier in a friendly JC
He was ours all the way

 

[JohnRossEwing]

Riley had a plan...take HS players only and get more time to develop them...with JC guys there comes the expectation that they (and the coach) are supposed to do something.

 

[huskerfan1414]

Riley was terrible but wasn’t here long enough to do long term damage. And as awful as he was, last season was a Pelini season. 9 wins, blowout losses to the good teams. Bo might as well have coached it.

Wait...what? 9 wins?

 

[huskerfan1414]

If Eichorst and the compliance office have control over our coaches choices, then it begs the question; who else tries to control our coaches?

No it doesnt.

 

[WoodRiverJennings]

not all go JUCO because of grades and issues with the law, HONUS is a prime example of this. just saying

Honas.

 

[JohnRossEwing]

No it doesnt.

Yeah it does. Most people except that coaches will get to do their jobs and not get interfered with...just like it is with everyone else at the university.

It is okay to rip on SE...he was creepy and kept failing "up" it happens with some people.

 

[Dean Pope]

No, our compliance department had way too much authority. Frost hinted at issues during his PC and this is one of them.

It's not a coincidence when a Nebraska reporter interviewed Riley last week or the week before and he said he's recruiting JUCO's.

I agree with this. There's no better way to explain it when Riley had success with jucos at Oregon State and then comes to Nebraska and he ignores jucos entirely. I believe Eikhorst poo poo'ed it and Riley just went along with it, figuring that at a place like Nebraska he'd be OK without jucos. He was wrong.

 

[Dean Pope]

Makes sense to me that Smilin Mike would bend his will to a "compliance directive" and not recruit Jucos. He was that soft.

Or, he thought in his loser mind that building the Husker Program would be better served by staying in HS and not over-signing (weak mentality).

Oh, and develop like shite and motivate like a teen halftime show.

Mike Riley shouldn't be considered HC at Morningside College. He sucks. He epitomizes failure, at all levels.

Speaking of soft, I like Riley and I don't believe he's a bad coach. But all we need to know about why that team went backwards was his handling of that RB Stevenson a few years ago. The kid shows up out of shape. A few weeks into the season he threatens to quit. Riley GIVES him a spot returning kick offs. That doesn't play well with college kids. That's one of those things that results in poor team attitude and manifests itself when we see crappy results on the field.

 

[19Football19]

The deal Riley said he was "afraid" of was the JUCO has an expectation to play right away and if that doesnt work out, it creates friction- issues.

Just repeating what Riley said. Maybe Riley had a tough time with addressing friction and playing time- I dont know. Im with you- if you miss its just a 2 year issue, not a 4 year one.

However- if you do things like recruit something like 10 JUCOs a year- I can see where that might be disruptive to your locker room

I like where HCSF is at with the JUCO numbers of 3-5 per year and his ability to leverage the knowledge and relationships Held has in the JUCO community.

WHile NU will always struggle to get the top 1-3 players in the country at X position- They look to have snagged the #1 ILB, #3 RB and #3 Safety in the Country in the JUCO world. That's incredible IMO,

Will all of them pan out? NO, but I think most will and that HCSF and his staff have done their due diligence in offering the right ones- then will mold them appropriately.

True, but they’re still 3* for a reason. It’s not like we landed a high 4* or 5*. Those went to OSU and Bama. Good gets, but pumping the breaks might be in order.

 

[huskerfan1414]

Yeah it does. Most people except that coaches will get to do their jobs and not get interfered with...just like it is with everyone else at the university.

It is okay to rip on SE...he was creepy and kept failing "up" it happens with some people.

My response wasnt about SE.
SE sucked ive aaid it for a long time.

 

[JohnRossEwing]

My response wasnt about SE.
SE sucked ive aaid it for a long time.

I agree...

Riley sucked too and has forever...it is okay to call them out...over and over and over.

 

[Phillipe]

Riley was terrible but wasn’t here long enough to do long term damage. And as awful as he was, last season was a Pelini season. 9 wins, blowout losses to the good teams. Bo might as well have coached it.

Riley did enough damage this year to scar people for life.

 

[Phillipe]

I agree with this. There's no better way to explain it when Riley had success with jucos at Oregon State and then comes to Nebraska and he ignores jucos entirely. I believe Eikhorst poo poo'ed it and Riley just went along with it, figuring that at a place like Nebraska he'd be OK without jucos. He was wrong.

The problem is, Reilly should have taken players with LESS time in the program since the coaching staff was so inept. Like every thing else Reilly did, he failed. And his apologists can blame anybody they want. The numbers are there forever.

 

[oldjar07]

True, but they’re still 3* for a reason. It’s not like we landed a high 4* or 5*. Those went to OSU and Bama. Good gets, but pumping the breaks might be in order.

Nope, a high 3 star juco is more like a 4 star high school recruit in terms of talent. I think Rivals just rated them lower because they won't be in the program as long as a high school recruit would.

 

[Dean Pope]

Nope, a high 3 star juco is more like a 4 star high school recruit in terms of talent. I think Rivals just rated them lower because they won't be in the program as long as a high school recruit would.

I would rather take a three star STUD football player than a four star who (A) is damaged goods, (B) is only a four star because he matured physically early in life, or (C) is a four star because of an impressive offer list but most of his offers are no longer valid. At NU, we've taken in a few of each and gotten our tail kicked by the former.

 

[19Football19]

Nope, a high 3 star juco is more like a 4 star high school recruit in terms of talent. I think Rivals just rated them lower because they won't be in the program as long as a high school recruit would.

Whatever you have to tell yourself. Makes no sense. If they’re a 4* they’d be rated a 4*. Hence the 4* and 5* rated recruits? So Randy Gregory who was a 4* wasn’t that good???

 

[PeliniTheCrutch_rivals294365]

He was encouraged not to by S.E. That’s pretty much a known fact. That’s still on Riley for not fighting it. Riley has always recruited JUCOs before and is now again. It’s also probably part of what Frost said on his hiring day here about quote “unnecessary roadblocks” put up by the prior administration.

Once the Pelini excuse ran out of gas, then it became the Eichorst excuse. Classic!

Only an HC that fails as miserably as Riley would need so many “reasons” for not getting RESULTS.

 

[anon_umk0ifu6vj6zi]

Once the Pelini excuse ran out of gas, then it became the Eichorst excuse. Classic!

Only an HC that fails as miserably as Riley would need so many “reasons” for not getting RESULTS.

It is crazy. As dumb as claiming a conference move, or tripling the football recruiting budget was somehow "not supporting" poor bobo the clown.

 

[huskerfan1414]

Whatever you have to tell yourself. Makes no sense. If they’re a 4* they’d be rated a 4*. Hence the 4* and 5* rated recruits? So Randy Gregory who was a 4* wasn’t that good???

Still waiting for your answer to my question in the other thread.

 

[jozimmer]

Husker fans used to make fun of Bill Snyder for signing jucos. Now Nebraska wants jucos?