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MusicCityHusker

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Rusty Mansell just said on ATL radio station that UGA will likely have 7 - 5 Star recruits in town this weekend for official visits. Only 3 are current commits. Mansell noted it's very possible GA gets a commit from all 7. In two years, Kirby has replaced AL & Saban as the top dog in recruiting in the SEC. Richt always recruited well but often let top GA recruits go out of state & was often criticized for lack of development. Kirby can develop, recruit & has all the talent he could ever need & more within 3 hrs of Athens. A changing of the guard has occurred in the SEC on the field & in recruiting.

Frost has his work cut out for him but let's hope he does the same in the B1G. Harbaugh is starting yr 4 & this is about the time his act starts wearing thin (note the recent transfers). Meyer looks tired & I don't see him doing this more than another 3-4 years. The real long term threat appears to be Franklin & PSU. He's the real deal. In the West, you'd have to think Frost can out recruit Wisky & Iowa.
 
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MusicCityHusker said:
Rusty Mansell just said on ATL radio station that UGA will likely have 7 - 5 Star recruits in town this weekend for official visits. Only 3 are current commits. Mansell noted it's very possible GA gets a commit from all 7. In two years, Kirby has replaced AL & Saban as the top dog in recruiting in the SEC. Richt always recruited well but often let top GA recruits go out of state & was often criticized for lack of development. Kirby can develop, recruit & has all the talent he could ever need & more within 3 hrs of Athens. A changing of the guard has occurred in the SEC on the field & in recruiting.

Frost has his work cut out for him but let's hope he does the same in the B1G. Harbaugh is starting yr 4 & this is about the time his act starts wearing thin (note the recent transfers). Meyer looks tired & I don't see him doing this more than another 3-4 years. The real long term threat appears to be Franklin & PSU. He's the real deal. In the West, you'd have to think Frost can out recruit Wisky & Iowa.
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Agree on Harbaugh. I gave him 5 years at Michigan when he was hired.
 
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Yolobomb said:
How much is Georgia paying for their recruits?

Pretty obvious Auburn, Miss St, pay for recruits.
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I think the "paying" for recruits narrative is wildly overblown. The top tier programs in the South don't have to provide anything. They get the stipend now & they have plenty of guys that want to be at LSU, Bama, UGA, UF. The lower end schools like Ark, Ole Miss, Ms St, etc are usually the ones that are guilty of this because they feel the pressure to keep up w/ the big boys. UGA especially in the past has been a very clean program w/ Richt & no reason to think Kirby is any different. If you remember, Gurley was suspended for several games for signing footballs for a memorabilia dealer. I'm sure they get little perks from time to time but if you think it's not going on at any big time program you are foolish. Do you really think Meyer, Harbaugh & Franklin are getting kids to leave the South to go to their schools just because they really like them. I don't think so.
 
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barney44 said:
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$EC
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Yolobomb said:
If you think it's "wildly overblown" you have a lot to learn.

It's amazing it has been happening at top basketball schools, but you'd be naive enough to say it doesn't happen for football.
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Of course it happens but the narrative that it's predominantly in the SEC is either dishonest or misguided. I guess SMU, USC under Carroll & Oklahoma of the 80's were all clean though right because they weren't in the SEC? It can & does happen everywhere but I do think it's not nearly as rampant as it used to be.
 
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barney44 said:
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$EC
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Recruiting rankings are comparative rankings based on subjective analysis done by amateur "experts". That means there can only be 100 players ranked as the top, and 25 or so as 5 stars...and only 250 as 4 star. Talent is so widespread now, and players receive such better coaching, training, and nutrition in high school that the comparative rankings need to be expanded. A player might jump into the top 100 merely because Texas offered them, mainly because Texas is viewed as a go to place for top recruits. And they may drop out of the top 100 if top schools do not offer them, for whatever reason. You cannot have an accurate recruiting system where a team receives a higher ranking merely based on the legendary nature of their coach and the reputation of their school. Ohio State, Alabama and Clemson are great because they have great coaches...Texas, FSU, USC, UCLA suck because their coaches sucked, though their rivals talent was high. That being said, I would put all our recruiting eggs into getting the biggest and best DTs, and not worry about the rest. The other positions can be schemed around, but you find that Ohio state, alabama, and clemson win because they have great interiors...and the rest is just icing on the cake.
 
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MusicCityHusker said:
I think the "paying" for recruits narrative is wildly overblown. The top tier programs in the South don't have to provide anything. They get the stipend now & they have plenty of guys that want to be at LSU, Bama, UGA, UF. The lower end schools like Ark, Ole Miss, Ms St, etc are usually the ones that are guilty of this because they feel the pressure to keep up w/ the big boys. UGA especially in the past has been a very clean program w/ Richt & no reason to think Kirby is any different. If you remember, Gurley was suspended for several games for signing footballs for a memorabilia dealer. I'm sure they get little perks from time to time but if you think it's not going on at any big time program you are foolish. Do you really think Meyer, Harbaugh & Franklin are getting kids to leave the South to go to their schools just because they really like them. I don't think so.
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Laquon Treadwell commits to Ole Miss!

I wonder if the $EC keeps a pool of recruiting money and rotate which team gets to use it every year?
 
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MusicCityHusker said:
Rusty Mansell just said on ATL radio station that UGA will likely have 7 - 5 Star recruits in town this weekend for official visits. Only 3 are current commits. Mansell noted it's very possible GA gets a commit from all 7. In two years, Kirby has replaced AL & Saban as the top dog in recruiting in the SEC. Richt always recruited well but often let top GA recruits go out of state & was often criticized for lack of development. Kirby can develop, recruit & has all the talent he could ever need & more within 3 hrs of Athens. A changing of the guard has occurred in the SEC on the field & in recruiting.

Frost has his work cut out for him but let's hope he does the same in the B1G. Harbaugh is starting yr 4 & this is about the time his act starts wearing thin (note the recent transfers). Meyer looks tired & I don't see him doing this more than another 3-4 years. The real long term threat appears to be Franklin & PSU. He's the real deal. In the West, you'd have to think Frost can out recruit Wisky & Iowa.
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I saw Georgia got another commit yesterday and took a look at their recruiting class. I have no idea how Ohio State can have a better class than Georgia right now. Georgia has recruited what seems to be all the top skill players along with a bunch of other big talents. They have a ridiculous class right now.
 
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MusicCityHusker said:
Of course it happens but the narrative that it's predominantly in the SEC is either dishonest or misguided. I guess SMU, USC under Carroll & Oklahoma of the 80's were all clean though right because they weren't in the SEC? It can & does happen everywhere but I do think it's not nearly as rampant as it used to be.
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The difference is, after ou and our ham sandwich ordeal, NCAA quit looking
 
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litespeedhuskerfan said:
Has Georgia ever been connected with anything like that? ($$$ I mean) I sure don't remember. I'm hopeful he's doing it the right way.
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I've never heard of UGA being connected w/ $$ for players. Certainly not under Richt. Like I noted in previous post it's usually the lower tier teams in SEC that have had overzealous boosters who took it upon themselves to try & influence recruits and/or their families. This day & time the coaches are so far disconnected from this stuff & have so much $ on the line themselves it would be incredibly foolish to engage in this stuff.
 
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MusicCityHusker said:
Of course it happens but the narrative that it's predominantly in the SEC is either dishonest or misguided. I guess SMU, USC under Carroll & Oklahoma of the 80's were all clean though right because they weren't in the SEC? It can & does happen everywhere but I do think it's not nearly as rampant as it used to be.
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Did you just try to make a point off something I never mentioned?
 
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MusicCityHusker said:
I've never heard of UGA being connected w/ $$ for players. Certainly not under Richt. Like I noted in previous post it's usually the lower tier teams in SEC that have had overzealous boosters who took it upon themselves to try & influence recruits and/or their families. This day & time the coaches are so far disconnected from this stuff & have so much $ on the line themselves it would be incredibly foolish to engage in this stuff.
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So many alabama players with new cars obviously flaunting them, yet the audacity....
The reason its the lower ones is cuz they only get caught, nc double ******** aint gonna bust who brings home their bacon, and they can still look like they are crackin down on it.
Looks like its at least workin with you.
 
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barney44 said:
Every conference has dirt, the SEC however is the dirtiest of dirty...
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The BIG's flagship program has the dirtiest coach going. Evidently Mich St was dirty as hell too, after all old Saban was there. By the way, Penn State stole an SEC coach, obviously dirty....
 
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huskerhooligansdotcom said:
good post... if Michigan goes 8-4 next year do the locals start to get a bit restless? I'm guessing Urban has three more seasons at Ohio State...then retire for health reasons only to resurface at Texas after a year away
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My Michigan fan buddy was lamenting Harbaugh after the Frost announcement. It’s totally anecdotal, but I would say based on my conversation, the natives would be more than a little restless with an 8-4 season, especially with another loss to OSU.
 
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MusicCityHusker said:
Of course it happens but the narrative that it's predominantly in the SEC is either dishonest or misguided. I guess SMU, USC under Carroll & Oklahoma of the 80's were all clean though right because they weren't in the SEC? It can & does happen everywhere but I do think it's not nearly as rampant as it used to be.
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Are you saying our program was clean in the 80s and 90s???
 
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MusicCityHusker said:
In two years, Kirby has replaced AL & Saban as the top dog in recruiting in the SEC...A changing of the guard has occurred in the SEC on the field & in recruiting.
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It is hard for Bama and Saban to stay on the top for so long when Saban keeps losing his top assistants. When he loses his coordinators, they take some other assistants with them as well (especially Smart!).

A great head coach and great assistants make a great team. You can't only have a head coach that is great.

Saban has lost Smart after he ran his defense from 2008 until 2015. That was the biggest blow that is making it hard on Bama nowadays (next to injuries). Bama may have lost its offensive coordinators every couple years (Applewhite, McElwain, Nussmeier, Kiffin), but losing Smart (and the assistants he took with him) hurts the most.

Losing good assistants is what kills dynasties. Some other assistants that left over the years at Alabama and moved up:
Pruitt, Cignetti, Willis, Groh, Rumph, Stoutland, Sunseri, Thompson, Brown, Napier, Steele, Davis, Tucker, and Cristobal.
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That's a lot of assistants that move up or move on. How do you remain consistent when you lose that many coaches? IMO, Bama will slowly fall and become "only" a top 10 team the next few years instead of being a top 1, 2 or 3 team like they have been for the last ten years.

Luckily, Saban has had Scott Cochran for many years as his strength and conditioning coach.

Saban has also had former Husker ('71 - '75) Burton Burns the whole time he has been at Bama coaching the running backs.

MusicCityHusker said:
Meyer looks tired & I don't see him doing this more than another 3-4 years..
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I agree. I am surprised that he is still there now. Next year will be his 7th year as the head coach at OSU. His Florida stint was 6 years.

I guess he must feel that tOSU is the best he can do... or the stress at OSU is minimal compared to what it was at Florida. Maybe Florida had too many politics for him...
 
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It is hard for Bama and Saban to stay on the top for so long when Saban keeps losing his top assistants. When he loses his coordinators, they take some other assistants with them as well (especially Smart!).

A great head coach and great assistants make a great team. You can't only have a head coach that is great.

Saban has lost Smart after he ran his defense from 2008 until 2015. That was the biggest blow that is making it hard on Bama nowadays (next to injuries). Bama may have lost its offensive coordinators every couple years (Applewhite, McElwain, Nussmeier, Kiffin), but losing Smart (and the assistants he took with him) hurts the most.

Losing good assistants is what kills dynasties. Some other assistants that left over the years at Alabama and moved up:
Pruitt, Cignetti, Willis, Groh, Rumph, Stoutland, Sunseri, Thompson, Brown, Napier, Steele, Davis, Tucker, and Cristobal.
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That's a lot of assistants that move up or move on. How do you remain consistent when you lose that many coaches? IMO, Bama will slowly fall and become "only" a top 10 team the next few years instead of being a top 1, 2 or 3 team like they have been for the last ten years.

Luckily, Saban has had Scott Cochran for many years as his strength and conditioning coach.

Saban has also had former Husker ('71 - '75) Burton Burns the whole time he has been at Bama coaching the running backs.

I agree on Alabama. Their success is ironically contributing to their demise. It's just impossible to recruit at the level they have been for so long with so many asst coaches (esp coordinators) leaving every year. The instability will eventually catch up to you & it appears that is happening w/ Bama.



I agree. I am surprised that he is still there now. Next year will be his 7th year as the head coach at OSU. His Florida stint was 6 years.

I guess he must feel that tOSU is the best he can do... or the stress at OSU is minimal compared to what it was at Florida. Maybe Florida had too many politics for him...
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I’ll start worrying about the SEC when we actually demonstrate we belong on the field with Iowa and Wisconsin
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Heh, that's a good point. With three years of Beaver ball we're at the bottom of the bucket.
 
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