If we offer Frost $5M+
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Both, probably. But you do what you have to do, because we have to get our guy this time (whoever Moos decides that is). If you think SF is that guy, you make it happen. If you get your coach, who cares what anyone thinks.
So a question about pay... does it matter what the previous coach was paid or only what the market is?
My how times have changed:
Solich had a base salary under $325,000.
Cally's base salary was around $1.75M
Pelini was paid around $3M at the end of his tenure.
Riley's base is around $2.7M.
Jumping up to $5M would be a huge leap (for Nebraska, not compared to the rest of the country).
What if Frost was hired and received a base salary of $5M. He lasts 5 years and is fired. Should the next coach expect to receive close to what Frost made?
My how times have changed:
Solich had a base salary under $325,000.
Cally's base salary was around $1.75M
Pelini was paid around $3M at the end of his tenure.
Riley's base is around $2.7M.
Jumping up to $5M would be a huge leap (for Nebraska, not compared to the rest of the country).
What if Frost was hired and received a base salary of $5M. He lasts 5 years and is fired. Should the next coach expect to receive close to what Frost made?
I would offer 3M and have enough incentives that if he is Conference champs and wins bowl that he would be close to 5M. Damn, as I typed that, I'm thinking that is a ton of money to pay someone to coach a game.
The market dictates what he is paid-"Look at me- Frost is the captain now!"
No clue how much he can/will get but why would anyone care? Everyone should try to take as much money as they can for the work they do.
I think certain fields are sooooo overpaid but I also think they should take every single cent they can get and then some. Take what you can get when you can get it and if you can get more take that.
I think certain fields are sooooo overpaid but I also think they should take every single cent they can get and then some. Take what you can get when you can get it and if you can get more take that.
Just think how great of a coach he'd be if we pay him 10 million!!
Market value is what it is. If some other program is willing to pay Frost $5 mil, then that is his market value.
Tom Herman was paid $5 mil. Why do you think Frost is any different? He was an offensive coordinator for a top program before taking over a mid-size team. Both had their mid-size team playing incredibly well after a couple seasons and were the hottest names available.
The similarities are almost uncanny. But I guess scorcher is in the know that he is not getting paid $5 mil anywhere.
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Pay him whatever it takes, but also need to pay up for the best coordinators/assistants/recruiters.
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Scott can't do it all himself? No way man. Just let Frost coach every position all week. Up the roster to 250 kids, and fix the massive walk-on problem. Send Jason Peter out to recruit. The kids should love hearing how much they suck now-a-days.
Honestly 5 million is the low end for a good coach. Texas set the bar last year and the money pool is growing. Fast.
Think about that last a minute before you speak.
If you're buying saban or sweeney the bar is over 10. Which means a good veteran guy or the hot young kid is going to cost at least 5 to make them not look at other programs. Plus whatever the assistants will cost.
Nebraska got spoiled with tom. That's all that really needs to be said. Harvey put us in a mixed bag money situation -- he didnt care about sports so we wasted a ton on the obvious suspects. But he also got us the B1g money...
Point with that is that moos has a mess to fix more than anything. The money is there and people are delusional if they think we won't have to pay it.
Just be thankful the money is there and that it is enough to pay for three head coaches and two ad's.
Think about that last a minute before you speak.
If you're buying saban or sweeney the bar is over 10. Which means a good veteran guy or the hot young kid is going to cost at least 5 to make them not look at other programs. Plus whatever the assistants will cost.
Nebraska got spoiled with tom. That's all that really needs to be said. Harvey put us in a mixed bag money situation -- he didnt care about sports so we wasted a ton on the obvious suspects. But he also got us the B1g money...
Point with that is that moos has a mess to fix more than anything. The money is there and people are delusional if they think we won't have to pay it.
Just be thankful the money is there and that it is enough to pay for three head coaches and two ad's.
The last thing we would want to do is to open the discussion with Scott offering him any amount of money. You gauge his level of interest, discuss the opportunity, resources, coaching staff and expectations, and when you KNOW that there is a desire on his part in the HC postion at Nebraska, you then discuss and work out the details, which would include the money.
If there is mutual interest between Nebraska and Scott Frost, the money will take care of itself. Many of you are to wrapped up in the money. Money by itself, WILL NOT get Scott Frost to come to Nebraska. If the total opportunity is not a fit for what Scott is looking for, NO Amount of money will get him to come.
Another factor is that Scott may be very Happy where he is, and want to stay at UCF. He may want to build his own program and legacy from the ground up. And with minimal and controlled expectations of the fan base. And there will be plenty of money for him there.
As stated above, I personally don't see Scott Frost going anywhere just because another school waves a big paycheck at him. He is too secure right where he is.
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Personally, you pay for the position (and add anything else afterwards). If this HC job is only worth $2.5M to us, well then that's what we'll get.
How much do you all think this position is worth? (I think around $4.5 - $5.5M)
This is about paying 5 million for a particular coach not any coach. I think we’re all ok paying that much for the right coach whoever that is.
I don't feel that Nebraska will have a problem paying whatever is needed to get the coach they want. There is a market price for whatever level of HC the Administration would be looking for.
They know the Fan Base is anxious and after 20 years is unwilling to keep supporting a program that is not a Top 10-15 program consistently.
The University also knows there is much more to lose than the cost of what a quality HC would be paid. The School stands on the verge of losing the support of the entire Football Program, which would be much, much more expensive than the cost of a Football Coaching Staff.
If...If a coaching change is made, the Huskers will pay what is needed to reach an agreement with the HC they are looking for.
And If...If a change is made, the Administration (Mr. Bounds, Mr. Green, Mr. Moos, and even the Board of Regents) WILL be held accountable for that hire! They would need to make sure it is the Right One!
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Make it heavy incentive based just like the new AD. Give them skin in the game.
Do what it takes to get the Coach you want, but Skin in the Game is always a Winner,
I believe Frost will show genuine interest in the Nebraska opening, if there is one. However....The money discussions and assumptions are always entertaining. Some think it's the driving force for everyone. It isn't.
In SF's case, he has been a NFL player, overpaid coach (they all are IMO relative to the responsibilities, complexities and influence compared to other professions) for his entire adult live.
His annual income for 20 years probably averages out at 300-400k per year, post NFL he has probably gotten a free car and work clothes, incredible benefits, and in season even free meals. He's a smart and grounded guy, and now making seven figures, thus has probably been investing prudently and wisely. He doesn't seem like a greedy dollar chasing guy.
While some of you may flip jobs for more cash, many don't particularly if money is not a stressor in their lives. If one is comfortable financially they may change jobs or careers for altruistic reasons, family happiness, or myriad of things besides money when they are financially secure with marketable skills - like Frost.
He'll come to Nebraska for alturistic reasons like restoring his alma mater's program and because he believes in the values and impact he can have on people, for competitive drive(tougher conf with higher ceiling), because his family and he will be happier in this environment....but not because he goes from being very wealthy to excessively wealthy.
Oh, and fact check....the UCF fund referenced is to enhance assistant pay.
In SF's case, he has been a NFL player, overpaid coach (they all are IMO relative to the responsibilities, complexities and influence compared to other professions) for his entire adult live.
His annual income for 20 years probably averages out at 300-400k per year, post NFL he has probably gotten a free car and work clothes, incredible benefits, and in season even free meals. He's a smart and grounded guy, and now making seven figures, thus has probably been investing prudently and wisely. He doesn't seem like a greedy dollar chasing guy.
While some of you may flip jobs for more cash, many don't particularly if money is not a stressor in their lives. If one is comfortable financially they may change jobs or careers for altruistic reasons, family happiness, or myriad of things besides money when they are financially secure with marketable skills - like Frost.
He'll come to Nebraska for alturistic reasons like restoring his alma mater's program and because he believes in the values and impact he can have on people, for competitive drive(tougher conf with higher ceiling), because his family and he will be happier in this environment....but not because he goes from being very wealthy to excessively wealthy.
Oh, and fact check....the UCF fund referenced is to enhance assistant pay.
Vol fan here...what would be your guys take on Frost to UT?
He's very high on a lot of Vol fans list but have heard (sure you guys are more on top of this than me) he likes the Florida area. What if the UF job opened up?
I personally think Frost is your's for the taking. Just don't see how a former star player could turn down his alma mater. And he's going to get a little more time to turn it around as opposed to someone with no ties. Btw/ like the AD hire and don't think dollars will be an issue with your next coach.
Anyway, just a Vol fan in same boat, actually worse boat than you guys. I mean our biggest rivalry game is this weekend, historically the SEC's biggest rivalry game and we're wondering if we even get a first down. 10 quarters without a TD, probably 14 after Saturday.
He's very high on a lot of Vol fans list but have heard (sure you guys are more on top of this than me) he likes the Florida area. What if the UF job opened up?
I personally think Frost is your's for the taking. Just don't see how a former star player could turn down his alma mater. And he's going to get a little more time to turn it around as opposed to someone with no ties. Btw/ like the AD hire and don't think dollars will be an issue with your next coach.
Anyway, just a Vol fan in same boat, actually worse boat than you guys. I mean our biggest rivalry game is this weekend, historically the SEC's biggest rivalry game and we're wondering if we even get a first down. 10 quarters without a TD, probably 14 after Saturday.
Frost to UT leaves a weird taste in my mouth. I say that because I believe Frost is one of those types of coaches that in 10 years, if we don't get him now, we will regret it deeply. Nebraska could use a break and this could be something special, if it happens.
I'd root for Tennessee if he went there. Along with the Huskers of course.
That will be the second interesting point about a Frost hire.
1. Will he shift more towards power?
2. Will he break up/upgrade his staff?
His staff now is pretty good considering their venue. He's been fighting tooth and nail to get them more money. While no coach brings almost their entire staff with them....it doesn't seem that likely Frost says "thanks for the memories" and then goes out and gets an All-Star cast?
Thanks for posting. I have always been a big Vols fan. Love the big stadium and the passionate fans. And it doesn't get better than "Rocky Top". Went to a game there once and the in-stadium atmosphere reminded me of a game in Lincoln. Good luck to you guys... except I will hate your forever if Frost chooses you over us. lol
Yes, will be very interesting. I don't see it as a complete movement of his entire staff. But if you support big $$$ for assistants, it might change things. Allow SF to dream big and long term.
You discreetly go to frost in early Nov and say he’s our candidate. Tell him to name his price, his assts price, his recruiting staff price, etc. we just want a yes.
That’s what Michigan did to get harbaugh and what we need to do to get Frost. I’m starting to agree with Nick Bahe on 1620 - Riley should be let go early if he loses the next couple games.
That’s what Michigan did to get harbaugh and what we need to do to get Frost. I’m starting to agree with Nick Bahe on 1620 - Riley should be let go early if he loses the next couple games.
Are you guys considering getting Peyton as coach? Wouldn't that be a game between our Scott Frost as our head coach and Peyton Manning as your head coach...in a national championship game of coarse?
Relevant hires from the last couple of years:
Texas gave Tom Herman $5.75 million a year.
USC gave Clay Helton $3.8 million a year. (Reportedly)
Georgia gave Kirby Smart $3.75 a year.
Minnesota gave PJ Fleck $3.5 million a year.
Virginia Tech gave Justin Fuente $3.4 million a year.
Oregon gave Willie Taggart $3.3 million a year.
Purdue gave Jeff Brohm $3.3 million a year.
Oklahoma gave Lincoln Riley $3.1 million a year.
All had zero P5 head coaching experience and were less than 45 years old.
Given Frost's leverage, our situation, and yearly inflation, I'd guess Frost would command somewhere around $4 million a year, maybe a bit less.
Texas gave Tom Herman $5.75 million a year.
USC gave Clay Helton $3.8 million a year. (Reportedly)
Georgia gave Kirby Smart $3.75 a year.
Minnesota gave PJ Fleck $3.5 million a year.
Virginia Tech gave Justin Fuente $3.4 million a year.
Oregon gave Willie Taggart $3.3 million a year.
Purdue gave Jeff Brohm $3.3 million a year.
Oklahoma gave Lincoln Riley $3.1 million a year.
All had zero P5 head coaching experience and were less than 45 years old.
Given Frost's leverage, our situation, and yearly inflation, I'd guess Frost would command somewhere around $4 million a year, maybe a bit less.
Frost has a high ceiling, IMO. But he also comes with a lot of risk. He has only been a HC for 1.5 years, has a young and inexperienced staff and runs a high risk offense. I'm a fan, but he comes with a lot of risk and we have to get this hire right. This is why we are paying Moos the big bucks, tough call.
Good luck as well. Always keep up with the Huskers. I don't really see Frost coming here but a lot of Vol fans want him. Just don't see it with "home" calling. Just a no brainer hire really for you guys.
Our list is pretty much like everyone else...
Brohm - hot name for us
Fuentes - another hot name but I don't see him leaving VT
Frost - I believe back home to you guys
Norvell - Winning in Memphis does not go unnoticed in our state
Venables - DC at Clemson
Chad Morris - solid OC, having a hard time at SMU but it is SMU
Fleck - I don't see that happening
Kelly - see him heading to UCLA
Gruden - of course our boards are eat up with "Grumors" right now. Still, he was at the game last Saturday just sitting in the stands. First job was assistant for Johnny Majors at UT, his wife is a former UT cheerleader and one of his son's is a sophomore at UT right now. Hey it's at least fun to think about.
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