Cuse beats Clemson. They talk about ‘84 Nebraska. NIU plays with SDSU,,,, Nebraska Nebraska Nebraska. All we need is a little sliver and we are right back there. It will come right back with the right hire.
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We all need to quit acting like the right coaching hire will solve our problems. It won't. Our real problem is that our fan base is too impatient to let a coaching staff build us back into a winner. This day and age, that isn't a 4 year thing at Nebraska. It's a 10 year build. The sooner we accept that and give a staff time, the better off we will be
That is exactly what scares me. This exact mentality. The right hire and we're back immediately. What if we're not? How long does the next guy get?
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My problem is, you bring guys in with different philosophies, give them less than enough time to have their guys be seniors, you are always rebuilding.
Rebuilding is pretty much what Nebraska has been doing since 2002 when Solich let Milt, Bohl, and Darlington go.
We gave Riley a toxic situation taking over for one of the most immature, spiteful high profile head coaches I've ever seen, coupled with a roster with very little NFL caliber talent, misallocated scholarships and a complete change in offensive philosophy...and we are ready to fire him in the middle of year three. Our fan base and administration is a joke and it's things like this that are the reason why we are laughed at on a national level.
The biggest problem is Riley was nothing more than an image hire. The guy was never a good coach. If you were going to fire Pelini at least try to hire a better coach. The biggest problem is Eichorst was in way over his head. Eichorst hired Riley because Paul Chryst was buddies with both.
Think of how much fun it is for everyone to watch the former bully of college football continually sabotage their own chances of success. We have no chance to become relevant if we keep holding every coach to TO standards when they are trying to rebuild a program from basically nothing (which is where we have been the last 5 years)
Eichorst tried the year before. Petersen turned him down.
AD Pedersen wanted Urban Meyer in 03, who was in his first year at Utah. Nutt had a plane waiting for him and wouldn't get on.
Maybe "better" coaches didnt want to come to the former power house that had fired 3 coaches in 11 years?
Riley can't even get second in his division. No one is trying to hold him to T.O. standards. The guy isn't a very good coach. Out of the last four coaches, since Osborne the argument can easily be made he is the worst.
0-5 against Iowa and Wisconsin
0-1 against MAC Conference Teams
But Riley just needs 7 more years to build this thing. Then we'll have the most dominant 71-year-old coach in college football.
0-1 against MAC Conference Teams
But Riley just needs 7 more years to build this thing. Then we'll have the most dominant 71-year-old coach in college football.
Eichorst got stopped by certain regents the year before he fired Pelini. There was never a coaching search.
There was never an official search because Bo wasn't officially fired.
That doesn't mean things were going on behind the scenes. I've said it before and I'll say it again it was pretty clear during and after the Iowa game of 2013 that Eichorst was looking to fire Bo, and Bo totally believed he'd be fired. It blew up in Eichorst's face and then he had to give that "Statement of support," right after the loss.
I don't expect Riley to build us into a national title contender. I expect him to build us into a a conference title contender over the next 5-10 years, then hand off a well managed roster full of talent and experience to the next guy that can take us to the next level. Again, no quick fixes when you don't have the population base to consistently get a top 10 recruiting class
Riley being hired after Callahan woulda been better for everyone... could have used his recruits.. fit his system better and i think was a much easier schedule to deal with at the time... he was also quite a bit younger then.. who knows
Of course he wanted to fire Bo, and Bo would have been fired if it weren't for certain regents. Eichorst was never going to hire Petersen. That is my point.
You honestly believe Riley has 5-10 more years of coaching left in him? He wasn't hired for a 10-year rebuild. He was hired to win the games that matter.
Last I checked Iowa and Wisconsin aren't consistently getting Top 10 recruiting classes. We've out-recruited them by a wide margin the last few years. Yet Riley is 0-5 against them.
Eichorst was trying to hire him and was chasing him hard. I know a Regent interfered, but that was after Petersen said no.
Do you really think AD's don't contact agents before they fire coaches? We are arguing about semantics.
Do you really think if Petersen wanted the Nebraska job, that a Regent would have had the juice to stop Eichorst from doing so? We are talking about the most wanted non-P5 coach in America at that time. The regent was able to interfere because Eichorst had no back up plan after that, and was able to stop Bo from being fired. Thus 2014 became the Perlman/Eichorst plan to take the year to fire Bo.
This isn’t a talent issue folks. Getting beat by NIU, barely getting past Rutgers and getting rocked in the 2nd half by Wisconsin isn’t about talent.
This is about a career .500 coach doing what he’s been proven to do over the decades he’s coached.
Was the multiple top 5 recruiting classes Muschamp had at Florida and Kiffin had at USC the problem, or was it their coaching ability?
Sometimes talent isn’t the answer so many want it to be, because talent can only mask over coaching deficiencies to a certain extent.
And I’m not seeing how talent fixes the culture problems for Nebraska and the players being mentally weak.
Give me a great coach with average talent over a bad coach with great talent any day.
This is about a career .500 coach doing what he’s been proven to do over the decades he’s coached.
Was the multiple top 5 recruiting classes Muschamp had at Florida and Kiffin had at USC the problem, or was it their coaching ability?
Sometimes talent isn’t the answer so many want it to be, because talent can only mask over coaching deficiencies to a certain extent.
And I’m not seeing how talent fixes the culture problems for Nebraska and the players being mentally weak.
Give me a great coach with average talent over a bad coach with great talent any day.
So you are proposing Mike Riley will be coaching when he is 75, We gave Solich 6 and he deserved one more - Callahan got exactly the time he needed , Pelini got one year to many.
Please tell me where this 4 year thing came from ? The Callahan firing, if we are going there Callahan recruited better than Riley and his teams won more
BS!! NU hired a coach that isn't goin to get it done no matter how long he has. Wake tf up!
I think there is a difference between rebuilding and regressing.
We have seen regression thus far this year.
I do not expect to win a title this year but posters keep insinuating discouraged posters are. It's not true.
Again...we are far from expecting t o standards. This is a fabrication at best, a lie at worst
So we have to wait for this terrible coach, who should have never been hired, turns 71 years old before the Huskers start winning again and become a national power, again?
At the rate you are proposing I'll probably be dead. I guess with your timeline I better become a Bama fan.
Exactly.
Hiring a 60 year old HC who's never won diddly squat anywhere was amazingly stupid. Fire Bo for only winning 9 or 10 games for seven consecutive years to hire the Beaver HC???? Are you kidding me??
SE & Pedeyshine were quite possibly the worst ADs ever seen on the planet earth. Those clowns being gone does give some desperately needed hope.
I have seen very few demand anywhere near TO standards for this staff in year 3
I don't think it is unreasonable to expect 6 or 7 wins. He isn't going to survive a losing record - nor should he. Ferentz of all people won 8 his 3rd year then finished in the top 10 the next 3 and took over a much, much worse situation than Riley. The vast majority of people think he should be back if he gets to 7 wins. No one is expecting him to achieve anything near what TO did in order to get more time.
you can't characterize a program that has gone to 7 straight bowl games as "basically nothing". Almost every new coaching hire inherits a bad situation. Butch Jones at Tennessee inherited a team that had 4 losing seasons in a row and 5 of the last 6 seasons were losing records and he won 7, 9, 9 games in his first 3 years. People talk like Riley inherited SMU coming off the death penalty.
No one is expecting miracles ... eek out 6 or 7 wins for heaven's sake.
No coach at Nebraska has ever been held to lower standards and there is a real possibility even the saddest of expectations aren't going to be achieved.
The narrative that people are expecting TO results because they are upset at the potential of a 5-6 win season needs to stop. It is ridiculous.
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This. This dumb *** narrative that those of us who think Riley should be fired will accept nothing less than Osborne type success is a lie. What I wanted to see this year was progress. That is all. Signs that we are headed in the right direction. Instead what I see is regression. I see a team, in year three, which is in many ways worse than the team was in year one. I don't see progress in the development of identity, physicality, talent, or a winning mentality. What I see is Oregon State attempting to play in the B1G.
We are not impatient. Another lie. If I had seen real progress this year I would be first in line screaming for Riley's retention. I don't want to change coaches again. But damn it, sometimes it really doesn't take more than a few years to sniff out that something isn't right.
And what I am seeing on the field of play tells me that something is not right.
Nah, it's coaching AND the jimmy and joes
Exactly where I'm at on the situation. The eyeballs don't lie as to what we have
Put on the field. Honestly if another power 5 team put this **** show on the field our fans would see every bit of incompetent coaching going on.. The blinders need to be taken off...
EXACTLY. That IS why NU is laughed at nationally. It has nothing to do with losing to NIU, getting beat 62-3, 40-10, losing to Purdue, and etc.
IMO, we hired the right guy at the right time for the problems we had. MOST fans while they didn't like getting run out of games, would have given Pelini more time IF he hadn't acted like a fool and treated people like crap. When you have kids (just like during Callahan's era) come out and say, "we don't care about the fans" or "we don't play for the fans", you have a problem. No matter what SE said publicly, Pelini didn't get fired because he didn't win enough games. Unfortunately as we found out when we canned Frank, apparently coaches are reluctant to take a job at a program that fires 9 win coaches. (and Riley did just win 9 games). I believe Tuco when he says through his coaching network that he knows of 2 SEC coaches who were contacted and had NO interest in NU when SE contacted their agents. So personally I'm glad we hired a stable, mature, NICE guy with nationwide respect in the football ranks. I'm glad I can watch games and not have to be embarrassed by my school's coach. I think most parents and grandparents are glad we hired a guy who allows them to watch a game with those kids and not be afraid of what they are going to see or hear from the head coach.
Exactly. Has nothing to do with actual play on the field. We are laughed at because expectations are still intact. The sooner we becomes Minnesota the better. 10 year rebuild was being kind. Minimum of 15...when Riley is 75 the rebuild will be complete and we can get passed the potential losing seasons.
It doesn’t have to be one or the other. You can hire that exact coach but one that will also develop a winning culture. The problems we have is we are mediocre on the football field. Winning cures all. Based on that, we didn’t come close to hiring the right coach.
Your opinion. Winning didn't cure and wouldn't have cured Pelini's problems. Riley's first full class of recruits are redshirt freshmen and they look pretty darned good in his system. IMO, it's too early to say whether or not Riley will be able to develop a winning culture at NU. I personally think he can, but 2-1/2 years is a little short on time. Multiple sane knowledgeable people have said 5 years. I think 4 is probably a reasonable time as well as long as expectations are reasonable. Unless we start buying recruits, we're not going to have 2 loss seasons every year.