Comment on Spring Game

[inWV]

Would have been nice to see what TMart could have done with a healthy Senior season. Definitely not one to slag on TMart or Tommy. They gave their best and quite frankly, the QB recruiting during their tenure was pretty damn lame.
But we have three well regarded QBs that can run the offense of Langs/Riley. It may be difficult to keep both Gebbia and POB in the fold, especially if Lee wins to the job for this fall. Both of those guys are good enough to play D1 football as a starter somewhere right now. POB will not want to spend his career as a backup. Gebbia will not want to play second fiddle until he is a senior.

 

[timnsun]

You mean Toms wife?? WinkingRollingLaughTT doesn't post anymore. I bet they argue all the time. Or maybe just TT and his alter ego do. Lol

Toms wife, Tulsa tom... one and the same.

 

[litespeedhuskerfan_rivals19671]

TMart has to lay awake at night sometimes wondering how much different his last couple years would have been in the program were it not for that dang injury at Missouri. But right up to that point, best QB since Crouch.

 

[TruHusker]

So I am reading this thread and there are comparisons to the past two QB's in TM and TA who were recruited to run totally different offenses to three new QB's that have never played a single game of D1 football outside of Lee and running a West Coast O?

The three new guys may in deed all be very good players but I am at a loss of how to quantify that from a scrimmage and a comparison to two QB's from the past. I think comparing the two offensive styles is futile and the QB skill necessary to run them. To be fair I didn't see the QB's on Saturday making a read on the DE or running any option type football.

We will know more this fall for sure and the years ahead when bullets are really flying. I wonder how long this next fall before we see complaints about the QB not taking off and running enough?

For the record, I like that Riley and Langs have their guys at the helm for their offense. I am not ready to crown them with anything - they are different for sure - but nothing accomplished yet.

 

[NikkiSixx_rivals269993]

Can you share your source of these B1G coaches that felt there would be a drop off? Not doubting you, just wondering which coaches feel that way. They could be right with the losses at receiver and tight end, but everything else suggests they will be better in this offense.

Sure, this was from a 1620 interview, the segment starts around the 15:17 mark, and then specifically at the 16:39 mark. So what Adam is hearing is that other B1G coaches felt that Nebraska was not playing to its talent level (referring to last year?), and that there would likely be a drop off with TA being gone. Like I said, who knows if they are right or not, but I also wonder just how good the offense will be. There was some concern from Riley about the line, and I do think it was good to setup the spring game to help those guys gain confidence, but it's another thing to look at that performance and do a straight line translation to the fall.

 

[timnsun]

Sure, this was from a 1620 interview, the segment starts around the 15:17 mark, and then specifically at the 16:39 mark. So what Adam is hearing is that other B1G coaches felt that Nebraska was not playing to its talent level (referring to last year?), and that there would likely be a drop off with TA being gone. Like I said, who knows if they are right or not, but I also wonder just how good the offense will be. There was some concern from Riley about the line, and I do think it was good to setup the spring game to help those guys gain confidence, but it's another thing to look at that performance and do a straight line translation to the fall.

Thanks Nikki. I will listen a little later when I have more time. I hope to prove these other coaches wrong (as, no doubt, all Nebraska fans do too).

 

[TarheelHuskerFan_rivals]

Heck, I thought our 4th string QB looked better than our 2nd string last year

 

[dockentwo]

Stats from the spring game. The real question to me is, how much can you tell from a lop-sided spring game? Well, all the qb's looked competent and like throwing qb's should "look". Interestingly enough, Bunch had the highest completion pct at around 71%. I'm guessing Lee will be named the starter.

Surprises to me: Seemed like quite a few throws to TE.

I'm disappointed on not seeing the new defense, but it's okay if the staff wants to keep it under wraps. I didn't pay really any attention to who was playing on defense, call it the butthurt-because-no-3-4 excuse.

Adding both teams together, 95 pass attempts/ 40 rush attempts. Maybe providing pass att to allow proof of separation between qb's? Maybe a prelude of things to come? Or, maybe just another spring game?

There have been articles about how much HCMR And O C have liked to throw to TE's - and were trending more so. TA and that was probably an aberration.

 

[rez dog 70]

The hate for some former players is crazy. TM won it fair and square and could have won it again his senior year if he didn't get hurt. I hope our third string quarterback is All Big Ten material. However it seems a bit hyperbolic when none of those qbs have played a real down of college football.

Our third string redshirting quaterback will be a first round NFL draft pick.

 

[bigboxes]

TMart has to lay awake at night sometimes wondering how much different his last couple years would have been in the program were it not for that dang injury at Missouri. But right up to that point, best QB since Crouch.

 

[litespeedhuskerfan_rivals19671]

LOVE ME SOME TRUMP!!!!!

 

[rez dog 70]

God love the kid but he really was a one trick pony. And Bo was like a little kid fascinated by the birthday magician with his one trick. And that little fascination cost our program dearly.

 

[Cornicator]

Sure, this was from a 1620 interview, the segment starts around the 15:17 mark, and then specifically at the 16:39 mark. So what Adam is hearing is that other B1G coaches felt that Nebraska was not playing to its talent level (referring to last year?), and that there would likely be a drop off with TA being gone. Like I said, who knows if they are right or not, but I also wonder just how good the offense will be. There was some concern from Riley about the line, and I do think it was good to setup the spring game to help those guys gain confidence, but it's another thing to look at that performance and do a straight line translation to the fall.

For a good chunk of my life, I spent time working in Sports Media. These types of blanket statements are often based on hearsay, half truths, and sometimes people take the opinion of one coach and assign to everyone.

Let's think about this for a moment:

- No coach is stupid enough to think Nebraska is going to trot Tanner Lee out on the field to run a scheme revolving around the Zone Read and Run - Pass - Options on every single snap. It clearly won't be the same offense ran with Tommy Armstrong.

- Saying Nebraska hasn't played up to their talent level is slightly independent of any notions about future struggles Post Tommy. One could argue the defense hasn't played up to its talent level for the past 4 seasons. But even that reality really has nothing to do with Tommy Armstrong and the offense.

 

[RealTucoSalamanca]

no offense but who cares about comparing Martinez to any of these guys. It's like comparing Vince Farragamo to Turner Gill. Both were All Americans but completely different players.

 

[NikkiSixx_rivals269993]

For a good chunk of my life, I spent time working in Sports Media. These types of blanket statements are often based on hearsay, half truths, and sometimes people take the opinion of one coach and assign to everyone.

Let's think about this for a moment:

- No coach is stupid enough to think Nebraska is going to trot Tanner Lee out on the field to run a scheme revolving around the Zone Read and Run - Pass - Options on every single snap. It clearly won't be the same offense ran with Tommy Armstrong.

- Saying Nebraska hasn't played up to their talent level is slightly independent of any notions about future struggles Post Tommy. One could argue the defense hasn't played up to its talent level for the past 4 seasons. But even that reality really has nothing to do with Tommy Armstrong and the offense.

I understand what you mean. I interpreted it differently than what the sports writer did. For sure other coaches are not thinking we would run the same scheme as with Tommy. From just a basic standpoint, we are bringing in a new QB next season, not a veteran senior, so in that sense, a drop off would be expected somewhat.

We did under perform, but that was mostly based on injuries and the rest of our depth was being redshirted. The AD blew the lack of talent horn late in the season, which I don't think is the case, and certainly other coaches didn't think either. We rolled over the roster this year for the most part, so that is something to be excited about. But what also goes with that, is inexperience.

 

[TheBeav815]

TM and TA were both runners who could throw a bit. It speaks volumes that neither tried to make the NFL as a QB. The amount of passing each was asked to do was outright stupid in light of their skillsets.

When a guy shows you he's about a 55% passer, you're not smart to have him up over 25 attempts per game. Yet both those guys were standing back there and throwing with big games on the line.

The QBs they have now are passers who can run a bit. You want them flirting with 70% completion and able to break off a 15 yard scramble if the defense plays man under 2 and everyone bails. For this offense, that's what I want. They've shown that they want to pass kind of a lot, so put a guy back there who can do it.

 

[inWV]

For a good chunk of my life, I spent time working in Sports Media.
- No coach is stupid enough to think Nebraska is going to trot Tanner Lee out on the field to run a scheme revolving around the Zone Read and Run - Pass - Options on every single snap. It clearly won't be the same offense ran with Tommy Armstrong.

- Saying Nebraska hasn't played up to their talent level is slightly independent of any notions about future struggles Post Tommy. One could argue the defense hasn't played up to its talent level for the past 4 seasons. But even that reality really has nothing to do with Tommy Armstrong and the offense.

It will be a very different offense. Lee and Armstrong are about a 180 in terms of their function as QBs in an offense. I wouldn't put much stock in predictions in terms of the offense, except to say we go as far as our QB and Oline can take us. As for the D not playing to their potential, we were ranked 30 in total D in 2017, up from 64 in 2016. At the very least, let's say the Diaco addition gets us punching at our weight. I would hope we could expect at the very least a top 25 defense. Three experienced Dline starters and and better experience in the back four. There are a lot of LBs, so I would hope we can put together a good unit there. It seems the kids are buying what Diaco is selling, so maybe we even punch above our weight this year.

 

[Toms Wife]

TM and TA were both runners who could throw a bit. It speaks volumes that neither tried to make the NFL as a QB. The amount of passing each was asked to do was outright stupid in light of their skillsets.

When a guy shows you he's about a 55% passer, you're not smart to have him up over 25 attempts per game. Yet both those guys were standing back there and throwing with big games on the line.

The QBs they have now are passers who can run a bit. You want them flirting with 70% completion and able to break off a 15 yard scramble if the defense plays man under 2 and everyone bails. For this offense, that's what I want. They've shown that they want to pass kind of a lot, so put a guy back there who can do it.

Just stop with the nonsense. TMart had the 2nd best completion percentage in the Big 10 his junior year at 62%. (He was even better as a Sr. until he went out hurt.) He was 2nd in yards...2nd in TD passes...3rd in efficiency.


PASSING AVG/GAME Comp-A....Pct. Yards TD Avg/G
1. McGloin, M.PSU.......270 - 446..60.5..3266.....24...272.2
2. Coffman, C.-IND.......247 - 407..60.7..2734.....15...248.5
3. Martinez, T.NEB ......228 - 368..62.0..2871.....23...205.1
4. Maxwell.. -MSU........234 - 446..52.5..2606.....48...200.5
5. Vandenbu IOWA.......223 - 389..57.3..2249......7....187.4
6. Marve, Ro-PUR.........166 - 253..65.6..1734.....15...173.4
7. Miller, Bra -OSU........148 - 254..58.3..2039.....15...169.9
8. Scheelha N-ILL........149 - 246..60.6..1361.......4...136.1
9. Robinson-MICH.........89 - 167..53.3..1319.......9...119.9
10. Siemian, T-NU........128 - 218..58.7..1317.......6...101.3

 

[RealTucoSalamanca]

maybe you should change your name again, this time to Taylor's Dad

 

[Toms Wife]

maybe you should change your name again, this time to Taylor's Dad

I'm just a gal who isn't a fan of fake news. It's a free country, however. Feel free to change the facts so we can denigrate former Husker players even further.

 

[TheBeav815]

Just stop with the nonsense. TMart had the 2nd best completion percentage in the Big 10 his junior year at 62%. (He was even better as a Sr. until he went out hurt.) He was 2nd in yards...2nd in TD passes...3rd in efficiency.


PASSING AVG/GAME Comp-A....Pct. Yards TD Avg/G
1. McGloin, M.PSU.......270 - 446..60.5..3266.....24...272.2
2. Coffman, C.-IND.......247 - 407..60.7..2734.....15...248.5
3. Martinez, T.NEB ......228 - 368..62.0..2871.....23...205.1
4. Maxwell.. -MSU........234 - 446..52.5..2606.....48...200.5
5. Vandenbu IOWA.......223 - 389..57.3..2249......7....187.4
6. Marve, Ro-PUR.........166 - 253..65.6..1734.....15...173.4
7. Miller, Bra -OSU........148 - 254..58.3..2039.....15...169.9
8. Scheelha N-ILL........149 - 246..60.6..1361.......4...136.1
9. Robinson-MICH.........89 - 167..53.3..1319.......9...119.9
10. Siemian, T-NU........128 - 218..58.7..1317.......6...101.3

Let's pretend like it's not totally asinine to pretend Martinez was a good passer. Even the numbers you're touting as proof of something are not impressive numbers.

62%????? BE STILL MY HEART!!! 2nd best comp % out of a bunch of mediocre-to-bad QBs in the best year of his career? WOW!!!! Second only to *THE* Robert Marve???

For reference, the best season comp % is about 77%. Best careers are also in the 70s.

Career Nebraska

Comp Att Pct Yds Yd/Att TD INT Rat
575 962 59.8 7258 7.5 56 29 136.8

Like I said, good runner, mediocre passer. Sub-60% passer for his career. Didn't make it to 2:1 TD:INT ratio for his career. Didn't, in fact, make it to 2:1 TD:INT in that *stellar* season you're hyping. That comes out to 1.9 TD for each INT. But at least he was also fumble-prone...

 

[Toms Wife]

Let's pretend like it's not totally asinine to pretend Martinez was a good passer. Even the numbers you're touting as proof of something are not impressive numbers.

62%????? BE STILL MY HEART!!! 2nd best comp % out of a bunch of mediocre-to-bad QBs in the best year of his career? WOW!!!! Second only to *THE* Robert Marve???

For reference, the best season comp % is about 77%. Best careers are also in the 70s.

Career Nebraska

Comp Att Pct Yds Yd/Att TD INT Rat
575 962 59.8 7258 7.5 56 29 136.8

Like I said, good runner, mediocre passer. Sub-60% passer for his career. Didn't make it to 2:1 TD:INT ratio for his career. Didn't, in fact, make it to 2:1 TD:INT in that *stellar* season you're hyping. That comes out to 1.9 TD for each INT. But at least he was also fumble-prone...

You said 55% completion percent above. He was better than that. He was all Big Ten and his numbers prove that he was deserving of that number. Blow smoke all you want because you want to say he wasn't a good passer. The awards and numbers don't lie.

P.S. His completion percentage as a junior would have made him #1 in the Big Ten last year.
...and he would have been second the year before that.
...and he would have been second again the year before that.

P.P.S. People here seem to love Sean Mannion...but according to your formula he sucked. His senior year his completion percentage was 62.3% throwing screens and dump offs. His qb rating was 128. He had a lower qb rating over his career vs. TMart and ran for an impressive NEGATIVE 806 yards.

 

[dinglefritz]

You said 55% completion percent above. He was better than that. He was all Big Ten and his numbers prove that he was deserving of that number. Blow smoke all you want because you want to say he wasn't a good passer. The awards and numbers don't lie.

P.S. His completion percentage as a junior would have made him #1 in the Big Ten last year.

Stop Tom. You know the only reason he was "all B1G" in the COACH's team was because Michigan, MSU and OSU ALL refused to vote for each other's players. IF I recall correctly I think TM was 3rd team on the writer's team.

 

[Toms Wife]

Stop Tom. You know the only reason he was "all B1G" in the COACH's team was because Michigan, MSU and OSU ALL refused to vote for each other's players. IF I recall correctly I think TM was 3rd team on the writer's team.

Hilarious...I show how he easily had the best combined passing stats...not to mention he ran for over 1000 yards. Who was better?

And...you trust the press? They hate Trump and stick it to him every chance they get. In much the same way these sports writers hated Bo Pelini and that is the reason TMart wasn't #1.

 

[inWV]

Stop Tom. You know the only reason he was "all B1G" in the COACH's team was because Michigan, MSU and OSU ALL refused to vote for each other's players. IF I recall correctly I think TM was 3rd team on the writer's team.

Second team, Braxton and TMart swtiched places on the writers list. I cannot understand why people can't give Martinez his due. His junior year was solid. There were problems with the team that year. TMart wasn't one of them.

 

[GretnaShawn]

Hilarious...I show how he easily had the best combined passing stats...not to mention he ran for over 1000 yards. Who was better?

And...you trust the press? They hate Trump and stick it to him every chance they get. In much the same way these sports writers hated Bo Pelini and that is the reason TMart wasn't #1.

Stellar logic. The press hate Trump, so they take it out on Trump. The press hate BO, so they take it out on a 21 year old.

 

[ctscts]

I'm just a gal who isn't a fan of fake news. It's a free country, however. Feel free to change the facts so we can denigrate former Husker players even further.

Did you seriously just refer to yourself as "gal" and throw out fake news in the same sentence?

 

[Toms Wife]

Stellar logic. The press hate Trump, so they take it out on Trump. The press hate BO, so they take it out on a 21 year old.

It makes as much sense as coaches taking their hatred of a school or another coach out on 21 year olds...or did you miss that?

 

[timnsun]

Just stop with the nonsense.

I'm just a gal...

Yes, Tom, stop with the nonsense.

 

[GretnaShawn]

It makes as much sense as coaches taking their hatred of a school or another coach out on 21 year olds...or did you miss that?

I know you're just a gal that hates fake news, loves Trump and is probably just so darn tired of those blasted hot flashes, but the other schools weren't doing it out of hatred, they were doing it because they wanted their guy to be picked.

One time, when I was in high school, we voted for team captains. I didn't vote for myself because it seemed vain, but I really wanted to be a captain. So instead of voting for myself I voted for somebody else. Well I lost by one vote, to the kid I voted for. If I was smart I would have not voted for not the next possible person to be captain, but a guy that wasn't really in the running (or voted for myself).

That is a true story. But lets pull it into the hypothetical. Lets say there are 3 of us in that same position and we are all vowing for that last captains spot. We all want to be captain and know that there are a few others that fit the bill. We all decide on our own to not vote for each other because know that if we vote for each other may hurt our chances. So now, we all unwittingly vote for this guy Taylor who kind of has a chance, but not really. Well he becomes captain because we were all too proud to vote for each other.

Now does that mean we hate the other kids that we didn't vote for or we were looking out for self interest?

 

[Toms Wife]

For reference, the best season comp % is about 77%. Best careers are also in the 70s.
...

What college qb ever had career completion percentages in the 70s?

 

[GretnaShawn]

What college qb ever had career completion percentages in the 70s?

Off the top of my head, both Colt McCoy and Colt Brennan were both over 70% on their careers.

 

[Toms Wife]

I know you're just a gal that hates fake news, loves Trump and is probably just so darn tired of those blasted hot flashes, but the other schools weren't doing it out of hatred, they were doing it because they wanted their guy to be picked.

One time, when I was in high school, we voted for team captains. I didn't vote for myself because it seemed vain, but I really wanted to be a captain. So instead of voting for myself I voted for somebody else. Well I lost by one vote, to the kid I voted for. If I was smart I would have not voted for not the next possible person to be captain, but a guy that wasn't really in the running (or voted for myself).

That is a true story. But lets pull it into the hypothetical. Lets say there are 3 of us in that same position and we are all vowing for that last captains spot. We all want to be captain and know that there are a few others that fit the bill. We all decide on our own to not vote for each other because know that if we vote for each other may hurt our chances. So now, we all unwittingly vote for this guy Taylor who kind of has a chance, but not really. Well he becomes captain because we were all too proud to vote for each other.

Now does that mean we hate the other kids that we didn't vote for or we were looking out for self interest?

Since the culprits were MU and MSU, I guess that makes sense if Mr. Short Sleeves thought his 53% completion qb deserved the award and if Dantonio felt his 52% completion qb deserved the award. Maybe they were just looking out for their guys.

 

[Mack In Motion]

In much the same way these sports writers hated Bo Pelini

I have officially read it all.

Out of everything I have ever read on this board that statement has the be the most ridiculous by far.

Our local press spent their time shoving each other out of the way to see who would be the one on a given week to be allowed to polish Pelini's knob for him. From the day he arrived to the day he got canned.

They made the Canadian news crew in Anchorman 2 look downright angry, harsh, and vile by comparison.

 

[GretnaShawn]

Since the culprits were MU and MSU, I guess that makes sense if Mr. Short Sleeves thought his 53% completion qb deserved the award and if Dantonio felt his 52% completion qb deserved the award. Maybe they were just looking out for their guys.

So you agree with me that your assertion that the coaches were taking out there hate for schools/each other on kids was wrong? And your previous logic of the news guys hating Bo changed their vote against Taylor is flawed?

 

[TheBeav815]

You said 55% completion percent above. He was better than that. He was all Big Ten and his numbers prove that he was deserving of that number. Blow smoke all you want because you want to say he wasn't a good passer. The awards and numbers don't lie.

P.S. His completion percentage as a junior would have made him #1 in the Big Ten last year.
...and he would have been second the year before that.
...and he would have been second again the year before that.

P.P.S. People here seem to love Sean Mannion...but according to your formula he sucked. His senior year his completion percentage was 62.3% throwing screens and dump offs. His qb rating was 128. He had a lower qb rating over his career vs. TMart and ran for an impressive NEGATIVE 806 yards.

What part of when I said "You want them flirting with 70% completion" did you struggle with? I'll let you do the math on Mannion and you tell me whether that means I'm super impressed with him.

Having one decent year and being a passing QB are not the same thing. What's difficult about this? I tell you Martinez wasn't a great passer and you gotta argue as though he went on to ever throw 1 professional pass.

You must be right, must be me and all the NFL teams are wrong not to see that one season on the low end of decent for completion % means he has a golden arm. It was some sort of conspiracy that he was looked at as a WR instead of a QB before he couldn't pass a physical.

But please, by all means. I'll let you draft the All-NU team to run any offense you choose, and you sit there with a straight face at tell me Martinez goes even top 4.

 

[nebcountry]

Off the top of my head, both Colt McCoy and Colt Brennan were both over 70% on their careers.

Found that interesting, so I looked. According to this stats page, there's only been 2 qb's to surpass 70% career comp%. So you actually named the only 2 (based on a minimum of 700 pass attempts to make that stats page career list). Only 15 qb's have over 68%.

 

[TheBeav815]

Found that interesting, so I looked. According to this stats page, there's only been 2 qb's to surpass 70% career comp%. So you actually named the only 2 (based on a minimum of 700 pass attempts to make that stats page career list). Only 15 qb's have over 68%.

Lots more have topped 70% in a season, which is why I brought it up. Guy has one good year and a poster wants to act like that proves something. OK then, let's measure his good year against other good years. Turns out it ain't special.

 

[bigboxes]

Let's pretend like it's not totally asinine to pretend Martinez was a good passer. Even the numbers you're touting as proof of something are not impressive numbers.

62%????? BE STILL MY HEART!!! 2nd best comp % out of a bunch of mediocre-to-bad QBs in the best year of his career? WOW!!!! Second only to *THE* Robert Marve???

For reference, the best season comp % is about 77%. Best careers are also in the 70s.

Career Nebraska

Comp Att Pct Yds Yd/Att TD INT Rat
575 962 59.8 7258 7.5 56 29 136.8

Like I said, good runner, mediocre passer. Sub-60% passer for his career. Didn't make it to 2:1 TD:INT ratio for his career. Didn't, in fact, make it to 2:1 TD:INT in that *stellar* season you're hyping. That comes out to 1.9 TD for each INT. But at least he was also fumble-prone...

Would you stop pumping up ol' arm punt! Laughing

 

[Toms Wife]

Lots more have topped 70% in a season, which is why I brought it up. Guy has one good year and a poster wants to act like that proves something. OK then, let's measure his good year against other good years. Turns out it ain't special.

It was special enough to be all Big Ten. Pick any year since Nebraska entered the Big Ten and Martinez still would be in the top three in terms of completion percentage. Add on to the fact that TMart had the 2nd highest total offense numbers from our inception in the league until today, and I would say it was a pretty special year.

I really hope one of the guys on our team this year can be special enough to be all Big Ten. i would be one thrilled fan.