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Been there. I'm a big history buff so I loved seeing the ruins. Circus Maximus, Coliseum, Vatican, Appian Way. I didn't care for the graffiti all over the place. Trivia: I was named after a Roman emperor.
Were you named after Containerus Maxis?Been there. I'm a big history buff so I loved seeing the ruins. Circus Maximus, Coliseum, Vatican, Appian Way. I didn't care for the graffiti all over the place. Trivia: I was named after a Roman emperor.
Actually I don't hate Michigan at all. In fact, I have liked them overall as a program for many years. It is Harbaugh who I dislike since I think he is bad for the game. And it is sports journalists in general that I hold in low esteem for a variety of reasons. And I stand by my claim that Harbaugh, so far, has not lived up to the ridiculous hype that has surrounded him.
But we will just have to agree to disagree on that. Obviously, even many of my fellow Husker fans on here disagree with my assessment of what he has achieved so far at Michigan. I hold no irrational animus against Michigan.
As for the playoffs .... in my scenario Michigan would not have gotten in. I would take the top five teams and then the five conference champs. I would not include non power five team conference champs unless they were already a top five team.
My apologies if my post offended. Just being a bit cheeky.
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I don't know if it is amazing or not. One thing is clear: he is a much better overall coach than Brady Hoke. Hoke could not coach properly the talent he had. But he could recruit and he left Harbaugh a load of talent on that roster. And since Harbaugh is a good coach he was able to really put Michigan back on the map quickly.
I just think there are actually many good coaches who could have done the same thing Harbaugh did given the talent he inherited. I think Harbaugh is a very good coach. Just not certain he is the messiah coach the media have hyped him up to be.
Anyway... no need to beat this to death. It is not important in the big picture.
Rome is a great city. Hope the guys enjoy it
Almost identical record to Brady Hoke after his first two years at Michigan.
Franklin's predecessor evaluated talent and recruited a helluva lot better than Riley's predecessor did. Period. We have almost an entire class of non-contributors on scholarship thanks to Bo Pelini.
Keep making excuses. As each year passes by, those excuses are cheaper and cheaper. Pelini won 9-10 games EVERY year. This staff cannot match that already. Hopefully they can win more in the future. 9 wins is gonna be hard next fall. If they don't start getting it in gear we're gonna have to make another coaching change from the top.
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I say whatever happens we keep riley for the next 3 years, and judge then the state of the program.
You are nutty dude. With the scholarship limitations Penn St had I don't know what you're talking about. Penn St has young talent, last year's senior class wasn't very good. Franklin has been recruiting well.
Hoke went 8-5 in his second year...stop smoking crack and come back to reality
Harbaugh 20-6, Hoke 19-7. Maybe you need to come back to reality.
Exactly.
Harbaugh is a very good coach. But it isn't as if he has set the world on fire or won anything big. He hasn't.
Harbaugh is getting paid to win big RIGHT FREAKING NOW and he hasn't delivered the good yet.
Michigan fans, boosters, and regents and such, are all very happy with where the program is at and which direction it's headed and are thrilled to have Hargod for their coach and at least 80% of all CFB fans would trade their coach for Hargod right now. But by all means, let's act like we're to good for him and ignore the fact he came within a whisker of the CFB playoffs and had Michigan ranked #2 at one point this year and is assembling some killer recruiting classes and high school kids are lining up to play for him and their future looks very bright.
Lastly, I wish our program and coach sucked as bad as Michigan's has for the last two years. How awesome would that be?
Nobody on here has claimed that Michigan sucks under Harbaugh. Nobody has claimed that he has not recruited well. Nobody has claimed that he isn't a good coach or that Michigan was terrible last year. I generally like your posts but here I think you are attacking a straw man. Yes, their future looks bright. But all that is being claimed here is that "Hargod" as you called him (I like that) has not won even a division title so far. So let's hold off on his coronation and cut out a lot of the BS hype around him until he actually does win something.
And yes, at one point he had Michigan at #2 last year. But at one point Nebraska was rated 8th last year as well! But the whole season matters, not just part of it, and the fact is Michigan lost to Iowa, Ohio State and FSU at the end. Now, those are all good teams and Michigan damn near won all three of those games. But heck... we damn near beat Wisky. But in the end it is just another loss. So before I crown him the reigning god of college football coaches I want to see if he can actually win when it matters
Pennsy - the problem with your point is that it is based on something that is not measurable. How do you measure the hype for his success? Was it a 10 on the 1-10 scale of media hype and only an 8 on the fan hype scale? Did you read everything that was said about him or talk to a good cross section of Michigan fans? Do the opposite must be true as well, if there is not a lot of hype then the outcomes or expectations can be lower?
I can't say I like or dislike the guy, don't really know him that well. He does win though - everywhere he has been, that is hard to deny is it not? Not sure I would want him on my sideline but that is more my personality showing rather than being a results oriented thing. I guess you did admit that he is a "good coach" - but I assume you are saying it is the comparison he is not living up to. Now whether he reached the threshold of expectations that you have identified that others have placed, I don't know. The other problem with the hype/comparison issues are that they will continue to change.
I think you weaken your argument when you throw out there are "actually many good coaches who could have done the same thing...." You pose a straw man argument with that one. Who are these guys and how do you quantify that. Taking the logic the other way - if they did as good as Harbaugh then they must be good coaches as well based your assessment.
For me the bottom line is the guy is a proven winner. Whether I am a fan or not doesn't change that. Given the fact he has pieced together a QB system for the last two years, he has probably done well overall.
Granted, analysis of "hype" is subjective. I will leave everyone to their own judgment on that. I think the hype surrounding him has been over the top hero worship. If others have a different view of the hype then they will disagree with the fundament of my posts. Fair enough. But my judgment is that the hype has been way too much.
I stand by my claim that there are many good coaches in D1 football who could have gone 10-3 with the talent he had.
Never claimed he isn't a damn good coach. Just asking for more objectivity from the world of sports journalism on judging what he has actually accomplished so far.
Yes, I have an agenda. Insofar as the hype machine keeps pushing his status into atmospheric heights, it hurts NU. It makes it seem as if Michigan has all this momentum and mojo whereas Riley and NU are floundering. Would love to have had him and Riley change seats for a year to see how well Hargod would have done with the same mediocre talent Pelini left Riley
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Nebraska should offer a special educational and football experience for its student-athletes, with a week of learning and spring practice in Samoa. Strictly for educational/cultural immersion purposes only, I mean, it's not like we would want to recruit any players from Samoa...
You think he would have only won 6games his first season? If so you lose any and all credibility youve ever had.
What do you think the hype was for michigan? Do you think the expectation was big ten toitle by now? Trying to get in your frame of mind because michigan is lookin pretty good right now.
Has the same record as Hoke in the same amount of time. So in essence you're calling Hoke very good or Harbaugh a failure.
Hoke actually won the Orange Bowl, Harbaugh on the other hand......
everyone makes great points ... when Michigan wises up and fires his *** I hope he comes here so he can manufacture the hype machine for NU
Great idea. I think he and Diaco would make a great team. I've heard Diaco is a bit quirky (as is Harbaugh), and they do look a bit alike.
Haha. Yes! Post of the thread.
I am just butt hurt that we don't have the hype Michigan has under Harbaugh. I am a bitter old man....
Should you, of al people, really be using phrases like "butt hurt"?Haha. Yes! Post of the thread.
I am just butt hurt that we don't have the hype Michigan has under Harbaugh. I am a bitter old man....
hoke took over a team with a play maker at qb and a good oline. every year those units got worse along with the record. 11-2, 8-5, 7-6, 5-7 harbaugh took over a team with no qb on the roster and an oline that had not blocked anybody in 3 years and nothing at the rb spot.
Is this a response to me? Doesn't look like it.
JH is getting paid huge amounts of money. The fire is going to get really freaking hot if he doesn't deliver the hardware. Simple and plain.
Me thinks you're out of touch with how Michigan fans and boosters feel about JH right now. They love him, you're the one trying to create a hot seat where there is none.
I didn't say he was on the hot seat. Let me know how they feel about him (if he is still there), in three years with no hardware, at the salary they are paying for him and assistants.
So in other words, Michigan is no different than USC, Alabama, Nebraska, and many others? Blue bloods paying large sums of cash wanting hardware to justify their investment? No way.
Harbaugh 9 Million
Saban 7 Million (Multiple National Titles)
Meyer 6 Million (National Title)
Stoops 5.5 Million (National Title)
Fisher 5.25 (National Title)
My point is that his seat is going to warm up quicker than others because they're spending millions more than proven winners. The difference between Harbaugh and Saban (a guy with multiple national championships) isn't terribly different than Riley's salary at Nebraska.
The gold standard at Michigan for judging coaches is simple: Beat OSU and win the B1G. In two years Harbaugh is 0-2 in both of those categories.
Harbaugh is recruiting very well and he is a good coach with a good staff. So maybe he breaks through soon.
But he does need to break through soon or there will at least be grumblings. He is too much of a god there right now for him to be on a hot seat I think. But if by year five he still does not have a B1G title, that seat will be hot
I will add that Michigan is also paying 3 assistant coaches more than a million $ each
the OC, the DC and the passing game coordinator all are going to pull more than a million per year .... the amount of cash they are pouring in to the program is insane
I understand what you're trying to say but I think rival fan bases care a LOT more about JH's salary than Michigan fans do. In fact, I think they like paying him that much and if he doesn't win enough it won't matter what the salary, he'll be gone soon enough anyway, and I suspect he wouldn't last or get fired one year to early or late just based on money alone. Michigan has plenty of it and that's why their fans don't really care. He'll be retained or fired based on wins and losses, and nobody in a position of authority is comparing Stoops money to JH money and making a decision on firing him because of the difference. I think the expectations are the same regardless of what their paying him.