OT: Top states for doing business

[dorndawg]

https://www.cnbc.com/2022/07/13/americas-top-states-for-business-2022-the-full-rankings.html

 

[11thEagleFan]

How in the hell are we ranked behind states like California and New Mexico? Not just that, but DFL. Just terrible.

 

[Maroon Eagle]

Sidebar story says why:

Link: Here.

TLDR: Mississippi gonna Mississippi.

 

[patdog]

It’s CNBC, so naturally their criteria has a very liberal slant. It’s a lot more a ranking of availability of benefits for employees than anything else. Along with a dose of truly relevant things like infrastructure & economy. It’s no wonder we’re last.

 

[Maroon Eagle]

Yep. The slant is liberal but let's face it the reasons why have been covered in the multitude of Brain Drain threads that have been posted here.

Mississippi is the USA's Jackson.

 

[Cousin Jeffrey]

It’s CNBC, so naturally their criteria has a very liberal slant. It’s a lot more a ranking of availability of benefits for employees than anything else. Along with a dose of truly relevant things like infrastructure & economy. It’s no wonder we’re last.

This.

"Life, Health, & Inclusion" has basically equal weight with Economy, Cost of Doing Business, and Infrastructure. And more weight than Technology & Innovation, Business Friendliness, and Education.

 

[Maroon Eagle]

That just means the state needs to schedule better for RPI purposes. **

 

[Go Budaw]

How in the hell are we ranked behind states like California and New Mexico? Not just that, but DFL. Just terrible.

How are we behind California? Is that a serious question? California has a larger economy by itself than all but 4 or 5 entire countries, and one of the most highly educated workforces as well.

 

[johnson86-1]

How in the hell are we ranked behind states like California and New Mexico? Not just that, but DFL. Just terrible.

California has access to good employees and if you are selling a product that’s not easily transported or is typicall sold in a regional market, you’re smack in the middle of a huge market. Its regulatory and tax environment are bad, but that’s not the only thing that matters. Mississippi is decent to good on things it can control, but unfortunately doesn’t have a lot of control over some of the biggest issues.

 

[Xenomorph]

Jonah say..

 

[57stratdawg]

I think most people underestimate the economic power growing in Washington state.

Microsoft, Costco, Starbucks, Amazon, Boeing, Nordstrom, T-Mobile, PACCAR, etc.

 

[Smoked Toag]

Sidebar story says why:

Link: Here.

TLDR: Mississippi gonna Mississippi.

That article sounded positive to me. They acknowledge that the things the administration is doing are likely helping. No Mississippi article is complete without the typical nonsense, so I ignore that stuff.

 

[mcdawg22]

Thank God there isn’t a likelihood to be murdered by a guy on bath salts, an alligator, or a Burmese python category or else Florida wouldn’t be in the top fifteen.

 

[11thEagleFan]

Larger economy, yes. And I understand that they have access to a large pool of qualified, educated employees. But as a whole California’s state government is very unfriendly to employers, which is why you’re seeing many companies relocate from California to Texas.

 

[Maroon Eagle]

Yeah, it is pretty positive. I'm by no means a Tate fan but he's been a better governor than Phil.

He just needs to take a leadership seminar from Haley on how to present himself.

 

[Go Budaw]

Larger economy, yes. And I understand that they have access to a large pool of qualified, educated employees. But as a whole California’s state government is very unfriendly to employers, which is why you’re seeing many companies relocate from California to Texas.

How many have ever relocated from California to Mississippi?

“Let’s cease all our California operations and move what we are doing there to….Mississippi….where we will make way more money”

-said no CEO, ever, in the history of our country

 

[Mr. Cook]

^^^^^ 2022 NOMINEE for "Post of the Year"

 

[Leeshouldveflanked]

Bennie Thompson’s district drags the whole state down.

 

[Dawgfan61]

From the article:

Mississippi is one of only five states with no statewide anti-discrimination law protecting nondisabled people, according to the National Conference of State Legislatures.

In 2021, Reeves signed the Mississippi Fairness Act[FONT=Lyon, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif] barring transgender girls from competing in school sports. The governor said the law was necessary to counter Biden administration policy that “encourages transgenderism amongst our young people.”[/FONT]

[FONT=Lyon, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif]If signing a bill to keep dudes identifying as women off my daughters' volleyball and soccer teams is holding Mississippi back, then so be it. [/FONT]

 

[Cooterpoot]

How many have ever relocated from California to Mississippi?

“Let’s cease all our California operations and move what we are doing there to….Mississippi….where we will make way more money”

-said no CEO, ever, in the history of our country

You obviously haven't seen the flood of people moving out of California. It's not just to Texas. MS is getting a some of those too. TX, TN, NC, & FL have seen the most.
But, MS has high *** taxes.

 

[CoastTrash]

Fix Jackson = Fix Mississippi

 

[Maroon Eagle]

You obviously haven't seen the flood of people moving out of California. It's not just to Texas. MS is getting a some of those too. TX, TN, NC, & FL have seen the most.
But, MS has high *** taxes.

But they're only high *** taxes to Mississppians. Californians think of Mississippi as very inexpensive.

 

[57stratdawg]

They have Mississippi ranked:

> 47 in workforce
> 46 in infrastructure
> 49 in economy
> 46 in education
> 41 in access to capital

I don’t think MS’ problem have much to do with gay people.

 

[jethreauxdawg]

Have any ever relocated from MS to CA?

 

[greenbean.sixpack]

You obviously haven't seen the flood of people moving out of California. It's not just to Texas. MS is getting a some of those too. TX, TN, NC, & FL have seen the most.
But, MS has high *** taxes.

Surprisingly, CA didn't lose population in the 2020 census, only MS, IL and WV did.

 

[IBleedMaroonDawg]

Yeah, it is pretty positive. I'm by no means a Tate fan but he's been a better governor than Phil.

He just needs to take a leadership seminar from Haley on how to present himself.

Gotta start somewhere and there is a need for skilled people with certifications or other education or certification paths than a Bachelors degree. A certified electrician or plumber can make bank here and code and IT folks with these programs of 2 years or less can get a good paying job fast. I won't even go into the medical programs 2 years and under.

 

[Duke Humphrey]

When the water service and garbage pick up in the state's most populous city are hit and miss, there is a problem that makes the perception reality.

 

[Duke Humphrey]

Census said in May "yea, sorry, we were wrong" re MS population ...And CA lost a congressional seat for the first time

https://www.wlbt.com/2022/05/21/lat...ississippis-population-was-undercounted-2020/

Obviously nothing to celebrate, but we didnt lose population.

 

[The Maroon Pug]

If you swap the "Life, Health, & Inclusion" score/ranking with "Business Friendliness" for example, Mississippi is still ~47th best. The state still has a lot of problems, not even counting a 'liberal slant'.

 

[Maroon Eagle]

Yep. That story last week about the Oregon company moving to Starkville is an excellent example. It likely isn't a huge story in comparison to others but it's a new business in Mississippi hiring welders many of whom got their training at East Mississippi CC and it's fulfilling a need.

That's good.

 

[blacklistedbully]

Surprisingly, CA didn't lose population in the 2020 census, only MS, IL and WV did.

I believe Ca was helped in that area by Covid. Hard to move during sequesters & lock-downs. There was a time period where you couldn't even visit our children in college, much less move them back home...even within the state!

 

[johnson86-1]

Surprisingly, CA didn't lose population in the 2020 census, only MS, IL and WV did.

Didn't they determine that MS did not lose people after finding some errors in the process?

CA had pretty significant domestic out migration for a while. They aren't losing population because they are getting a lot of foreign immigration, a good bit of it affluent migrants looking to take advantage of the access to venture capital and tech environment, but more from over the southern border.

And it's not really surprising that California does ok despite a ridiculously corrupt and dysfunctional government. Lots of california is basically paradise on earth as far as scenery and climate. So the politicians and bureaucrats can basically be pretty aggressive stationary bandits and people will put up with it for far longer than they would in most locales.

 

[mstateglfr]

It’s CNBC, so naturally their criteria has a very liberal slant. It’s a lot more a ranking of availability of benefits for employees than anything else. Along with a dose of truly relevant things like infrastructure & economy. It’s no wonder we’re last.

'very liberal slant'?
Below are the categories. One is close to a 'liberal slant', but in reality when it comes to large businesses, they are trending in the direction of trying to provide better life, health, and inclusion so it isnt actually a liberal slant so much as a business friendly slant.

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[STATEgrad04]

How many have ever relocated from California to Mississippi?

You mean besides transfer portal quarterbacks?

 

[mstateglfr]

Mississippi is decent to good on things it can control, but unfortunately doesn’t have a lot of control over some of the biggest issues.

Mississippi, like other states, has control over who wants to stay in the state to work, what sort of infrastructure exists, how much it costs to do business, the economy, and...well hell- all the categories in the survey are things the state can control. No obviously the state cant fully control who stays and works in the state, but since that is a result of many other things the state can control, it is in effect something the state can control.

What are all these biggest issues that are beyond the control of MS? And wouldnt they then also be beyond the control of other states?

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[mstateglfr]

Larger economy, yes. And I understand that they have access to a large pool of qualified, educated employees. But as a whole California’s state government is very unfriendly to employers, which is why you’re seeing many companies relocate from California to Texas.

You have overestimated how many companies have moved out and the impact that has had. WAG here, but based on your comment I bet I know the slant of the news outlets you consume.

 

[dorndawg]

Didn't they determine that MS did not lose people after finding some errors in the process?

CA had pretty significant domestic out migration for a while. They aren't losing population because they are getting a lot of foreign immigration, a good bit of it affluent migrants looking to take advantage of the access to venture capital and tech environment, but more from over the southern border.

And it's not really surprising that California does ok despite a ridiculously corrupt and dysfunctional government. Lots of california is basically paradise on earth as far as scenery and climate. So the politicians and bureaucrats can basically be pretty aggressive stationary bandits and people will put up with it for far longer than they would in most locales.

TBH there's no way the 2020 census is remotely accurate (by census standards). I have no idea how you do so while a pandemic is raging.

 

[johnson86-1]

How many have ever relocated from California to Mississippi?

“Let’s cease all our California operations and move what we are doing there to….Mississippi….where we will make way more money”

-said no CEO, ever, in the history of our country

Neither do companies usually relocate from Mississippi to Texas, despite Texas having some pretty significant advantages.

Mississippi has it's challenges and so usually we won't be first on most companies list of places to relocate to, but we also don't have an environment that chases a lot of businesses away. We have had some significant losses where Mississippi companies are bought and then stop investing in MIssissippi or consolidate operations in other locations (Parkway basically moved operations from Jackson (to Tampa?) after the purchase/merger; Bryan had operations in WEst Point shut down; not sure where it's made now but think the corporate jobs were moved to outside of Chicago; is Viking still investing in Greenwood? Baxter Pharmaceutical in Cleveland?) Supposedly Mississippi is winning in the Sanderson Farms purchase/merger and will actually get the corporate offices; still a little skeptical of that.

 

[GloryDawg]

this sounds like a good thread to taco about but I think I am going to skip.******

 

[Go Budaw]

Have any ever relocated from MS to CA?

Not likely, because there aren’t many viable or profitable enough to do so. Same reason that MSU doesn’t have any football players that transfer to Alabama.

There are also successful businesses in MS that are regionally dependent on the climate / agriculture / etc. that the state offers. So they stay for those reasons alone.