And logically, the government does not want to kill you. Quite the opposite. They are trying to keep you alive to keep our economy going. They/We NEED people working and paying taxes.
OT: MSDH k-12 recommendation
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I was farther away from people at the football games than I was at home or at work.
Everyone should get the vaccine. It works.
Masks and shutdowns and all that other **** L4 Shankass wanted us to do last year? That was idiotic and obviously didn't work.
And guess what? These are Trump's vaccines, as in, he started their efforts. The vaccination effort went beyond party lines. There's no conspiracy there. The Democrats saying they wouldn't take them last fall look dumb, as do the Republicans who are saying they won't take them now.
Masks and shutdowns and all that other **** L4 Shankass wanted us to do last year? That was idiotic and obviously didn't work.
And guess what? These are Trump's vaccines, as in, he started their efforts. The vaccination effort went beyond party lines. There's no conspiracy there. The Democrats saying they wouldn't take them last fall look dumb, as do the Republicans who are saying they won't take them now.
The endgame comes when enough people have acquired immunity that it no longer has places to circulate easily. I thought that that would happen when we got a vaccine. I was wrong about that because I had no idea that we had this many anti vaccine nut jobs. I really don't think there is an endgame now because of that. Those of us that take the vaccine have to hope that it can stay ahead of the variants as they appear. It's going to require new shots for life, similar to the flu shot.
The thing that you still aren't getting about what you are seeing in Israel is that the shots were never officially touted as 95% effective in preventing transmission. They were touted as being that 90-95% at preventing serious disease. Those numbers are holding up fairly well. There never were any official numbers for preventing transmission released. The unofficial one that I had seen was around 70%. That's seems to be pretty close to real world experience. That makes it much better than the flu shot on both accounts.
Every 12-year old is an individual person with a certain set of circumstances regarding the virus and any vaccination for the virus. Thus, in my opinion, discussing vaccinations at such a high level is a waste of time.
Also . . . based upon my understanding, the parent(s) of that 12-year old can decide whether to get the vaccination for that 12-year old. In other words, nobody can FORCE the parent(s) of that 12-year old to get vaccinated.
Is that correct?
Or, can the parent(s) of that 12-year old be FORCED to vaccinate that 12-year old?
People say, "We don't know the long term effects of the vaccine."
But do we know the long term effects of Covid? No, we don't. Give me the vaccine which is proven to both lower your risk of contracting the virus and the severity of your case if you do get it over choosing to remain unvaccinated, putting yourself and loved ones at risk.
But do we know the long term effects of Covid? No, we don't. Give me the vaccine which is proven to both lower your risk of contracting the virus and the severity of your case if you do get it over choosing to remain unvaccinated, putting yourself and loved ones at risk.
Masks and shutdowns DO work to limit transmission, when complied with. I never saw them complied with in my orbit.
I pray that none of you do but if any of you ever have cancer and are asked to take part in your treatment decisions you'll find out quickly that many many medical decisions are about "playing the odds" and that very few are always THE PERFECT ANSWER. The odds in favor of taking this vaccine are overwhelming especially vs contracting this virus with no protection. Unless your doctor tells you not to, you play the odds and take the vaccine IMO.
The problem is many of the people who won’t take the shot have the mindset that the virus isn’t so bad or is overblown (which blows my mind) but then get enraged when we start seeing shutdowns and mask mandates.
Then you have the groups of people that don’t trust the vaccine. It’s really prevalent in the African American community which is heart breaking because they’ve probably seen more deaths in the US than any other racial or ethnic group.
Stick to the specific issue: whether parents of a 12-year old individual person are currently FORCED to get the COVID vaccination their 12-year old.
Which is it?
Are the parents currently FORCED to vaccinate their 12-year old with the COVID vaccine?
The two coworkers I mentioned earlier in this thread who are getting their 12 year old+ children vaccinated are African American.
It's because masks and shutdowns don't work, it's proven. That stuff is only for lawsuits and perception. I mean the stupidity of the restaurant 'masks as you walk to your table' is what truly blows a rational person's mind.
I recommend the vaccine because the Delta variant seems to be getting younger people now. Beforehand, all older and at-risk people needed it.
NOT because there was some threat of a mandate. Those are still unbelievably stupid, and THAT was why things got so political. Period. We can stop the virtue signaling now.
There's another issue at play here as far as schools. Are we starting to maybe figure out that a bunch of kids crammed together in small enclosed rooms all day long, is maybe not the best idea? I'm fine with the new spacing requirements, honestly. I hope this makes people take a deeper look at what's going on in these 'schools'.
I think about churches and daycares too. Before COVID, all these people would send their kids out, sick or not, just to get them out of the house. Daycares are the nastiest places, whether in a person's home, school, or church building. Breeding grounds for sicknesses. It's still continued from what I've seen. If you're sick, stay home. COVID or not. But, I recognize most sheep out there will not do this, because they've got to go to work or whatever, right? So we obviously need some guidelines.
Needed to happen long ago.
I think about churches and daycares too. Before COVID, all these people would send their kids out, sick or not, just to get them out of the house. Daycares are the nastiest places, whether in a person's home, school, or church building. Breeding grounds for sicknesses. It's still continued from what I've seen. If you're sick, stay home. COVID or not. But, I recognize most sheep out there will not do this, because they've got to go to work or whatever, right? So we obviously need some guidelines.
Needed to happen long ago.
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Do you think these two actions are contradictory?
In my opinion, these two actions are consistent with someone that thinks the COVID virus isn't so bad: 1) don't take the vaccine, because the COVID virus isn't so bad; and 2) there's no need for shutdowns and mask mandates, because the COVID virus isn't so bad.
Right. And I agree with you: some vaccines are REQUIRED to attend school.
However, I was/am talking about the COVID vaccine.
And the question still remains: are parents of a 12-year old currently REQUIRED to get the COVID vaccine for the 12-year old?
No one is being forced to get any vaccine. You know that. So what point are you attempting to make?
Vaccines are available. If you need it (or want it), get it. I know some will be disappointed to hear this, but the pandemic is over.
Because you said “more vaccinated people = fewer people passing it around.” Dumass *****.
Thanks for answering my question. I just wanted to confirm that there is no requirement for a person to get the COVID vaccine.
Thus . . . because there is no requirement for a person to get the COVID vaccine, the decision for any particular person to get the vaccine is for that particular person alone to make. Or, in the case of a 12-year old, the decision is for the parents alone to make.
My overall point is this: the decision about whether to get the COVID vaccine is for each individual person and is not for society or government to make.
Here’s the thing about real time science, seeing the sausage being made is ugly.
We all know that 12 year olds aren’t currently required to get the vaccine, but in SPS Vernacular— It’s Coming.
We all know that 12 year olds aren’t currently required to get the vaccine, but in SPS Vernacular— It’s Coming.
Are you sure? I think the dumb mandates are over, thanks to the vaccines. But the pandemic isn’t.
Masking only works is everyone or nearly everyone does it so most of the time it’s pretty useless and yeah the rules in restaurants are pretty silly.
Shutdowns do nothing but damage the economy, period.
Shutdowns do nothing but damage the economy, period.
Of course every 12yo is an individual with unique circumstances. That's the reality for all people- we are all individual with unique circumstances.
Wt17 is your point in stating that obvious reality?
And of course the parents of that 12yo can decide whether to vaccinate or not. Again, this is obvious and well known.
Your points aren't really points at all. You are just stating obvious and uncontested points.
I never said or suggested 12yo kids be forced to take the covid vaccinations. I am not sure why you posted in a way that makes it seem I did say or suggest kids be forced to take the shots.
My point then, which is the same one now, is that it's 17ing dumb not to since there is no downside.
Again, that isn't suggesting mandatory vaccinations for all.
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