I'd hope no one is questioning whether ask-risk people should get the vaccine. I think it's a legit discussion on whether young people should get it. It was "almost never"
any young people dying without the vaccine, right?
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I'd hope no one is questioning whether ask-risk people should get the vaccine. I think it's a legit discussion on whether young people should get it. It was "almost never"
any young people dying without the vaccine, right?
Young people absolutely should get the vaccine.
About 2,700 deaths in people under 30 have occurred. Sure some of them are in people with underlying health issues, but many had no health issues.
There's also multi inflammatory syndrome in children (MIS-C). So far over 2,000 cases have popped up. https://www.cdc.gov/mis/cases/index.html?CDC_AA_refVal=https://www.cdc.gov/mis-c/cases/index.html . I'd rather have myocarditis than this.
As of June 10 there have been 226 cases of myocarditis in vaccinated people under 30. https://www.aappublications.org/news/2021/06/10/covid-vaccine-myocarditis-rates-061021
I'm not sure what the rate of people under 30 who have gotten covid versus the vaccine, but looking at the raw numbers I would take my chances with the vaccine. At least with the mRNA vaccines there's only one thing to look out for. The virus causes so many nasty effects that you have to worry about loads of stuff.
About 2,700 deaths in people under 30 have occurred. Sure some of them are in people with underlying health issues, but many had no health issues.
There's also multi inflammatory syndrome in children (MIS-C). So far over 2,000 cases have popped up. https://www.cdc.gov/mis/cases/index.html?CDC_AA_refVal=https://www.cdc.gov/mis-c/cases/index.html . I'd rather have myocarditis than this.
As of June 10 there have been 226 cases of myocarditis in vaccinated people under 30. https://www.aappublications.org/news/2021/06/10/covid-vaccine-myocarditis-rates-061021
I'm not sure what the rate of people under 30 who have gotten covid versus the vaccine, but looking at the raw numbers I would take my chances with the vaccine. At least with the mRNA vaccines there's only one thing to look out for. The virus causes so many nasty effects that you have to worry about loads of stuff.
I've been drinking a little, but this is from your 2nd link, and doesn't seem to support your idea...
"He noted reports of myocarditis/pericarditis in young people ages 12-24 make up about 53% of the total reports after a second dose. However, these age groups only make up about 9% of the doses administered.
“Clearly, we have an imbalance there,” he said."
I concur with you that the imbalance is there and significant, but you have to look at it in absolute terms.
Young people have much better outcomes than older people when it comes to effects from covid.
Young people have much worse outcomes than older people when it comes to effects from the covid vaccine.
Young people who have gotten the vaccine have better outcomes than young people who get covid.
Young people have much better outcomes than older people when it comes to effects from covid.
Young people have much worse outcomes than older people when it comes to effects from the covid vaccine.
Young people who have gotten the vaccine have better outcomes than young people who get covid.
You personally know 3 people who have died in the last 6 months all due to covid shots?
I think it's probably rare for a random person to know 3 people who died of any reasons in the last 6 months, yet here you are with 3 dead people from covid shots.
...or maybe they got the shots and happened to die? I know, that's crazy talk. Nobody in their 40s ever died of a stroke before covid vaccinations.***
You forgot the magnetized people. Don't let their voices be silenced- we should all remember the magnetized people when discussing vaccination safety.
It seems to me that the protocol is to
1) Isolate the player(s) that test positive
2)See what team members they've been within 6 feet for any length of time
3)Test those players that have been in close proximity
4)Remove the unvaccinated players
5)If several players that have been vaccinated test positive then the entire team is removed
The take away here is that when any single unvaccinated player shows symptoms then you have to remove them immediately. Fever? Goodbye. Flu like symptoms. Goodbye.
It's the one strike and you're out with a very wide strike zone rule. Otherwise one player will bring the whole team down.
1) Isolate the player(s) that test positive
2)See what team members they've been within 6 feet for any length of time
3)Test those players that have been in close proximity
4)Remove the unvaccinated players
5)If several players that have been vaccinated test positive then the entire team is removed
The take away here is that when any single unvaccinated player shows symptoms then you have to remove them immediately. Fever? Goodbye. Flu like symptoms. Goodbye.
It's the one strike and you're out with a very wide strike zone rule. Otherwise one player will bring the whole team down.
I probably misunderstood something entirely, but as terrible and unfortunate as it all is, it kinda makes sense. They had two unvaccinated guys get it. Didn’t have enough time to test everyone unvaccinated before game 1 so the 13 vaccinated players were allowed to play. After 4 of those 13 tested positive they were down to 9 players and the other unvaccinated ones were directly exposed thus likely to be positive in the near future.
Lord i hope our team is fully vaccinated.
Lord i hope our team is fully vaccinated.
If they're like us then being vaccinated is one step removed from the honor system - students are asked to upload a scan or photograph of their vaccine card, and sign a statement that they are telling the truth. College students are really, really sophisticated cheaters. 4 positives among 20ish vaccinated individuals seems off by an order of magnitude, even with the delta variant, if they were actually vaccinated.
Edit to add - By us I don't mean MSU, I mean the university where I teach.
Edit to add - By us I don't mean MSU, I mean the university where I teach.
If they had time to test 1 unvaccinated person then they most definitely had time to test all unvaccinated.
So weird. mstateglfr still hasn't commented on the possible national title win, but yet again he's chimed in on a political COVID thread.
Is there an official 'comments about possible title win' thread that I need to participate in?
And this isnt a political COVID thread, its discussing why 1 of the 4 remaining teams in the tournament had to lose. Thats sports. For some reason a couple goobs decided to tangent the thread and I responded. If you take issue with that, go cry about the other posters.
I have always said I follow college baseball the least of the big 3 sports and rarely comment on it. Ive watched the last half dozen MSU games and those also happen to be the first half dozen MSU games Ive watched this season. You wont see me posting in game threads.
As for this NC State issue-
- Why the 17 arent all the players vaccinated?...I cant imagine any arent able to due to a health issue.
- I feel bad for the team overall. Hopefully this will motivate those who werent vaccinated to just get the tiny shots.
- NC State was already affected earlier in the season due to Covid. Sucks that incident wasnt enough for everyone to get shots.
- I am happy to see than Vandy was tested and that both Vandy and MSU will be tested today. I want the game to be played with as little a risk of infection as reasonably possible. Everyone should want that.
Ok. You win. There’s nothing to it. Just totally random events. It’s just odd that the unvaccinated people I know aren’t being affected by blood clots and vascular issues. Thanks for setting me straight. Oh, and disregard the myocarditis people are getting.
Never said 6 months and never said they all died. Two died. This has all happened within 3 months and there’s 2 more deaths reported this morning of vascular issues. Both were vaccinated. Yeah, I have a wide social network.
Plus, I don’t care the slightest if you believe me. Trust me.***
I’m merely here presenting the information. If you choose to think there’s nothing to it so be it. That’s very open-minded of you. But for you to think you’re the sole proprietor of truth when the truth seems to be everchanging in the name of science is quite a bold move, Cotton. Thanks for reading as always.
Plus, I don’t care the slightest if you believe me. Trust me.***
I’m merely here presenting the information. If you choose to think there’s nothing to it so be it. That’s very open-minded of you. But for you to think you’re the sole proprietor of truth when the truth seems to be everchanging in the name of science is quite a bold move, Cotton. Thanks for reading as always.
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They tested vaccinated players. They found them positive and didn’t let them play.
It appears they didn’t do the same for vandy.
You are so inconsistent.
You think football players deserve to be paid but you have no problem with 17ing a NCST team while the ncaa has different rules for the fans (Bc of money).
Fans are way more vulnerable than players.
Way easier to quarantine players than fans.
Your political leanings won’t let you use common sense. It’s really sad.
Common sense says at this point in the “pandemic” players shouldn’t be subjected to the most strenuous testing procedures. You can’t argue against that logically but I’m sure you will try.
It appears they didn’t do the same for vandy.
You are so inconsistent.
You think football players deserve to be paid but you have no problem with 17ing a NCST team while the ncaa has different rules for the fans (Bc of money).
Fans are way more vulnerable than players.
Way easier to quarantine players than fans.
Your political leanings won’t let you use common sense. It’s really sad.
Common sense says at this point in the “pandemic” players shouldn’t be subjected to the most strenuous testing procedures. You can’t argue against that logically but I’m sure you will try.
- I used 6 months since thats about how long the vaccine has been available for most.
- You didnt say they all died, but you start it off saying one died and then lost two more examples so it sure reads like all 3 died. But you do only specify that 2 died. Oh wait, now apparently just 1 died.
To recap- One woman died from a stroke. One had a blood clot that killed her. And one had a brain hemorrhage...but apparently only 1 of them died.
Got it, thanks for clearing that up, it makes perfect sense now.***
So young people should risk their health for a vaccine instead of risking getting the virus which hasn’t caused much issue? Makes sense.***
The vaccine doesn’t prevent the virus. It lessens the symptoms which are already minimal in young people. It also doesn’t prevent spreading the virus.
The vaccine doesn’t prevent the virus. It lessens the symptoms which are already minimal in young people. It also doesn’t prevent spreading the virus.
Just like maybe some people got Covid and happened to die of a heart attack or falling from a ladder or something else BUT WE BLAMED COVID!!!
My bad. You’re actually right on that. But when you dilute the timeframe to 6 months, it makes it less of a big deal. Again, I don’t care if you believe it. That’s on you to take the facts and form your own opinion, no matter how terrible it always is.
Young people who have gotten the vaccine have better outcomes than young people who get covid.
Really? Where is that data?
Really? Where is that data?
But again. Why didn’t they test vandy at the same exact time? Both teams had been in close proximity.
If being on a baseball field with an opponent isn’t in the “danger zone” that is 100% proof that we have overreacted to the virus with the “lock down”.
If being on a baseball field with an opponent isn’t in the “danger zone” that is 100% proof that we have overreacted to the virus with the “lock down”.
Yes, it does. It's much more common than complications from the shot. I know someone who lost an young adult kid to a COVID blood clot. My son, 25, took it.
But they still are far less likely to have severe complications from the shot than they are COVID.
Of course I dont believe it- you specifically claim 2 people died while hinting that a 3rd died, and then you say 1 person died. Why would anyone believe your claims?
This is one of those situations that should remind people working in public institutions (or really any institutions of any importance) that trust is an important asset that shouldn't be wasted.
Most people don't have the ability or inclination to do their own research on the safety of the COVID19 vaccine and a well-known, trustworthy institution (or individual) with expertise could do wonders.
If NC State was already affected earlier this season, how many players could there be that didn't have the vaccine or covid? Were they just affected in the sense that one player got covid and others had to quarantine? Or people not on the travel roster?
Is it hoping for too much sanity from the NCAA to treat players that had been vaccinated and players that had had the virus the same? Surely even the NCAA isn't pretending that people that have already had COVID need to be treated as unvaccinated?
I have no idea how many there could be that didnt have the vaccine or covid. And why are you starting this off with 'if'?...are you suggesting they lied earlier in the season?
You do realize that you can get myocarditis from severe viral colds and flu too. That’s not something exclusive to the vaccine.
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