The Supreme Court rules.....

[Bill Shankly]

https://www.wsj.com/articles/suprem...dju04cgy67lw9mf&reflink=article_copyURL_share

Gonna be the beginning of the end for college sports I think, at least for me.

 

[Felonious Junk]

The number of athletes that will greatly benefit from any of these changes is so small that wringing your hands over it is just bitter old man behavior.

 

[seb304]

Justice Kavanaugh didn’t hold back in his concurrence. It’s over for the ncaa when the payment restrictions are challenged in the next suit.

 

[karlchilders.sixpack]

9-0

 

[T-TownDawgg]

When you stop hearing “sir” and “ma’am”, the rest is sure to follow.

You can’t stop what’s coming.

 

[Russ Wheeler]

The number of athletes that will greatly benefit from any of these changes is so small that wringing your hands over it is just bitter old man behavior.

100%. It just won't matter. And the 'shady' stuff is already happening, payment is already being made on the black market, so who cares.

 

[Bill Shankly]

100%. It just won't matter. And the 'shady' stuff is already happening, payment is already being made on the black market, so who cares.

We will see. What it did is cement the Blue Bloods even more firmly on top. Where its really going to change things is in sports like baseball.

 

[mcdawg22]

We will see. What it did is cement the Blue Bloods even more firmly on top. Where its really going to change things is in sports like baseball.

Oh no! You mean we aren’t going to beat Alabama in football, but we’ll get an EA Sports NCAA football game? I only see one difference then.

 

[dorndawg]

When you stop hearing “sir” and “ma’am”, the rest is sure to follow.

You can’t stop what’s coming.

 

[Bill Shankly]

If you want to see where it very well may end up take a look at European Soccer leagues. Now if we can talk an Arab oil sheik, a Russian Oligarch, or a tech billionaire into backing us then it will be a huge boon. My guess is the next step is the pro salary caps coming under fire.

 

[Seinfeld]

I don’t particularly like where all this seems to be headed, but the additional educational benefits cited in the article really do seem to be geared towards actual student athletes rather than star players. Grad school, vocational school, study abroad programs…. If this opens the door to extra benefits for kids that are in school to actually learn, I’m all for it

 

[johnson86-1]

100%. It just won't matter. And the 'shady' stuff is already happening, payment is already being made on the black market, so who cares.

Keeping it in the black market puts more of a lid on it. If all the sudden more money needs to go to buy players, then there is a lot of facility related debt that needs to be paid for that is going to put athletic departments in a bind.

 

[57stratdawg]

This sounds like a win for Vandy baseball. Their ‘added educational compensation’ is probably an internship in Italy.

 

[Lawdawg.sixpack]

Those are collectively bargained for, so no issues there.

My guess is the next step is the pro salary caps coming under fire.

 

[Cooterpoot]

Our educational standing seems to be way down. Better get that fixed.**

 

[Go Budaw]

This sounds like a win for Vandy baseball. Their ‘added educational compensation’ is probably an internship in Italy.

If they go over there instead of spending their summers in the Cape, then they can have at it.

 

[ColoradoDawg]

America is the land of getting paid. I always thought it was so stupid that there was multibillion dollar industry where the people generating the money weren't getting any of it. I love college sports, but lets face it....the times they are a changin' Also, these guys were all getting paid under the table any way. It's literally the worst kept secret ever....

 

[karlchilders.sixpack]

So, when do they start getting a W2?

can't have your cake and eat it too.

 

[Seinfeld]

You know, this really does beg the question... how is it that we're deliberating over "extra" educational benefits when we have kids unable to even get the standard scholarship right now thanks to Title IX? Can we talk about how we get full scholarships for those kids before worrying about study abroad opportunities?

 

[garddog]

can't have your cake and eat it too.

Right there with you, but it should all be 1099 income. Don't penalize the university by making it W2. Make them pay 100% of all the taxes.

 

[PirateDawg]

Absolutely right, it just offers another way for schools to cover their tracks. This will only affect college football and basketball. The other sports don't have the money invested to make a difference.

 

[Bulldog from Birth]

Two things are true here:
1. College athletes do not truly drive the value of the product. You put these exact same players out on the field but call them the NFL Minor League Starkville Bandits and Tuscaloosa Wildcats, they are going to get 5% of the interest that Mississippi State and Alabama do. The college/alma mater/nostalgia is what drives the majority of the value of NCAA athletics.

2. NCAA financials have gotten grossly out of hand. It’s not fair to have a system where so many administrators and coaches are getting insanely wealthy while the players get very little in comparison.

If the NCAA wanted to keep this genie in the bottle, they should have long since had salary caps for coaches and administrators, limits on insane contract buyouts and golden parachuted, and then funneled the remaining surplus into improvements in the student athlete experience, outside of high player salaries, increase in scholarship counts, and then just reinvesting the remaining surplus into academics. I’m afraid this genie isn’t going back in the bottle though. And it will make it much harder for schools like Mississippi State to compete for championships.

 

[karlchilders.sixpack]

Yeah, my bad.

 

[T-TownDawgg]

The rich will get richer.

I will sum up my bitching with just 2 bullet points:

•Either it’s amateur sports or it 17ing ain’t

•The cavalier attitude proponents of paying players have toward devaluing a college education is some greedy shortsighted horseshit.

 

[SheltonChoked]

Why is that? You think paying athletes over the able is less pure than funneling $200,000 via the parents "without the kids knowing"?

 

[SheltonChoked]

Shocked at the identity of posters that want to continue making people work for free in this thread******

it was 9-0. it's not a liberal/conservative thing. Read what Gorsuch said....

 

[SheltonChoked]

You don't think being able to pay 35 baseball scholarships will help MSU?

 

[JungRebel]

I always loved that part, feature length irony.

Damn what a good movie.

"It's never just one thing."

 

[SheltonChoked]

Athletes do drive the product. No one would show up to watch the SPS MSU all star team. (cite: croom/rick ray years attendance)


You have to put the money SOMEWHERE. In pro sports, the money is in the players. In college, the money is in facilities and coaching. Look up how many coaches, and support staff are on an NFL team vs what Alabama has.

 

[Bulldog from Birth]

Nobody is “making” anyone work anywhere, and they aren’t working for “free” unless you are assigning zero value to a tax free tuition scholarship, dorm/housing allowance, books, and meal plans.

Shocked at the identity of posters that want to continue making people work for free in this thread******

it was 9-0. it's not a liberal/conservative thing. Read what Gorsuch said....

 

[T-TownDawgg]

Athletes have an impact, sure. But tell “athletes drive the revenue, period” to anyone consistently supporting MSU sports over the last 30 years.

 

[harrybollocks]

Where does Trump stand on this? I mean where does Biden stand?

Shocked at the identity of posters that want to continue making people work for free in this thread******

it was 9-0. it's not a liberal/conservative thing. Read what Gorsuch said....

Yeah. Ditch ideological priors and see if some of these guys are really being exploited for the benefit of a few. Some college head coaches make more than NFL head coaches. Some college assistant coaches make more than NFL coaches. Even college position coaches make more at the major programs. It helps when you don't have to directly pay players. "But they get a scholarship." That's significant, it shouldn't be ignored, but it's no where near what some are worth. And the NCAA has a ton of bizarre rules placing all sorts of limits on players. The NCAA makes it difficult for players to even change majors.

I also get the "I'm done" sentiment. I'm emotionally invested in the Dawgs and want them to win it all in Omaha. But, sometimes it's not about me, my feelings and what makes me personally feel good.

“The NCAA couches its arguments for not paying student athletes in innocuous labels. But the labels cannot disguise the reality: The NCAA’s business model would be flatly illegal in almost any other industry in America.”

 

[Xenomorph]

MSU better tackle this head on...

You have to incentivize the donor base to stream cash to players while at the same time maintaining giving levels to the Bulldog Club.

Better get creative quick.. cause other people are going to.

 

[Xenomorph]

The Supreme Court just made that an outdated argument. It doesn't matter any more.

 

[Russ Wheeler]

We will see. What it did is cement the Blue Bloods even more firmly on top. Where its really going to change things is in sports like baseball.

Yeah, it'll help MSU (and baseball players in general) a great deal. What's not to like about that?

 

[Russ Wheeler]

You have to incentivize the donor base to stream cash to players while at the same time maintaining giving levels to the Bulldog Club.

Better get creative quick.. cause other people are going to.

It's not going to be as widespread as you think, outside of what it already happening. Alabama is not Alabama because they have the most money. Other universities certainly have more. They are Alabama because they have the most donors who WANT to spend their money on football. And that is NOT going to change with NIL. What are they going to do, get better players?

If you think it's going to help say, Memphis....well, is Fedex going to do MORE than they already do? Doubtful. And for most, the pull of playing in the SEC is going to trump some deal here or there to get a little money from a company.

 

[BoDawg.sixpack]

So what would a reasonable income be for a 5* athlete in the SEC?

Are we talking six figures or seven? Could they retire after four years on campus?

 

[Bulldog from Birth]

We averaged over 40,000 people attending in 2008, one of the bad Croom teams. If college football was disassociated from the schools, attendance would be similar or worse than Arena League football or your average AA minor league baseball affiliate. And the players’ fair market value wouldn’t be worth anymore than the scholarship compensation they are getting today.

Obviously you couldn’t put a clown show of a football game on and keep people interested. But if you just took all the FCS player and D2 players and put them on D1 fields playing under the banner of major universities, they would draw big crowds. And it would be a more ch much bigger crowd than Dak Prescott would get playing for the NFL Double A Starkville Bandits franchise down the street had he never come to campus.

Athletes do drive the product. No one would show up to watch the SPS MSU all star team. (cite: croom/rick ray years attendance)


You have to put the money SOMEWHERE. In pro sports, the money is in the players. In college, the money is in facilities and coaching. Look up how many coaches, and support staff are on an NFL team vs what Alabama has.

 

[johnson86-1]

America is the land of getting paid. I always thought it was so stupid that there was multibillion dollar industry where the people generating the money weren't getting any of it. I love college sports, but lets face it....the times they are a changin' Also, these guys were all getting paid under the table any way. It's literally the worst kept secret ever....

They have been getting paid pretty well for minor league players. Basically the only players that can complain are football players, but that's only because the NFL has locked them out. Every other athlete has a viable option for going pro immediately or being essentially a decently paid minor league athlete.

THe Supreme Court's approach is going to screw things up because now players will capture a lot of value that is really being created by loyalty to the schools. Not sure how that's going to play out. But it seems somewhat ridiculous that they are being treated as a market for "university athletes" as opposed to simply "pro athletes". There is ample competition for everything except football, but I don't see why the NCAA should be punished for the NFL locking out athletes.

 

[patdog]

No they don't in this case. How many people are watching AAA baseball or G-league basketball? Not many, even though the players are better than college players.